Strongest currently available Winboard engines for import to Chessmaster?

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Re: Strongest currently available Winboard engines for import to Chessmaster?

Post by Jimbo I » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:14 pm

jewelmind wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:55 am
Thanks for all these great replies. I've already installed Crafty and played a game (though I notice another thread saying that a new version is being released). Got Crafty to play one 5 min game with CMX, resulting in a rather thrilling 186 move draw, ending with Crafty having a queen and CMX a rook, bishop and pawn it couldn't queen. So obviously wonderfully competitive with CMX, though Crafty's official rating should perhaps have it being a little more dominant? Hard to tell after one game of course, but I'm wondering about the way I've got it set up.

I won't go into the version of Crafty I've got or where I've got it from, as hopefully the new version will still be Winboard compatible and I'll be able to replace my current installation, but I would appreciate some advice on the Chessmaster installation options. No need for a Chessmaster opening book as Crafty was obviously using its own book in the lightning fast opening. But what should I do with:

Pondering
Endgame Database
Command Line Parameters

I left all of these off and blank. I wouldn't even know what to put in Command Line Parameters. Anyone with definite knowledge of what to enter in these fields that would allow Crafty to play as well as it can?
It's hard to say what you should do with those three Chessmaster options, since I don't know if you're using a crafty.rc file. The crafty.rc file can handle the settings for all three Chessmaster options that you mentioned, plus many more.

Crafty might already be pondering (thinking on the opponent's time), but you won't know for sure unless you look inside the crafty.rc file or open the Windows Task Manager. If Crafty isn't currently pondering, turning on its ponder setting will help the strength a bit. The Chessmaster engine normally ponders, so activating the Crafty ponder setting would be helping to level the playing field, so to speak.

Crafty probably isn't using endgame databases unless you've already installed Nalimov or Syzygy tablebases in your PC. The bad news is that Crafty can't use the Chessmaster endgame database files, so activating this setting for Crafty will not do any good. The good news is that this feature probably doesn't change the strength of Crafty much at all.

Until you gain enough knowledge to edit the crafty.rc file, it's probably best to just activate the pondering setting and leave the other two settings alone.

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Re: Strongest currently available Winboard engines for import to Chessmaster?

Post by Jimbo I » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:16 pm

jewelmind wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:23 am
I still find Chessmaster the most beautiful interface, easier on the eye and less cluttered than anything released since. So I want to keep using it, and I want to watch matches between good engines on it.

I've successfully imported Greko into Chessmaster 10, and the games are great, as Greko is around the same strength. Greko can even use Chessmaster opening books, which is fantastic.

For variety, I would like to import some more Winboard engines into Chessmaster at least as strong as Chessmaster 10 (or 11 - just bought it), but Greko is the only available one I could find. Everything seems to be UCI now. I find the instructions out there on how to import UCI engines into Chessmaster completely bamboozling! An example is this page:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/genera ... ci-engines

I can't use advice like this as I'm not a programmer. I don't know what a binary is, or an ini file, or how to edit it or with what etc. I'm completely lost with this. I looked at the Polyglot download page and it may as well have been written in ancient Sumerian.

So I think it's best if I just hunt for Winboard engines that can be easily imported into Chessmaster, like Greko. What's good and available and where is it? I've seen someone state that earlier versions of Crafty and Fruit were Winboard - is that true? If so, where are they?!

Note: Please don't post links to old general info like the Wikipedia list of Winboard engines - most of the links are dead now and most of the engines are weak. I need specific links to where I can get good Winboard engines now, as strong or stronger than Greko.
I developed a list of WB engines that "play nice" in Chessmaster 10. Since 64-bit engines don't work in Chessmaster 10, I only considered 32-bit engines. They all can use the CMX opening book. I only had to add command line parameters for two engines: Tucano 7.00 and Phalanx XXV.

In general decreasing order of strength (approx 3100 to 2650):

Arasan 21.4
Naum 4.6
SmarThink 1.98
Spike 1.4 Leiden
Crafty 25.2
Godel 6.0
Cheng 4.39
Gaviota 1.0
Tucano 7.00 add command line parameter -hash 128
Dirty 03NOV2015
Cheese 2.1
Chronos 1.9.9
Greko 2018.08
Phalanx XXV add command line parameters -s+ -t 131072 -b- -l-



Here are the links for the engines. The first link is the download page, and the second link is the direct download link.


Arasan 21.4 - http://www.arasanchess.org/
http://www.arasanchess.org/arasan21.4.zip

Naum 4.6 - http://computer-chess.org/lib/exe/fetch ... nd_4.2.rar


SmarThink 1.98 - http://smarthink.ru/index_en.html
http://smarthink.ru/files/smt198.zip

Spike 1.4 Leiden - http://spike.lazypics.de/downloads.html
http://spike.lazypics.de/downloads/spike_14.zip

Crafty 25.2 - https://github.com/MichaelB7/Crafty/releases/tag/25.2
https://github.com/MichaelB7/Crafty/rel ... -Win32.zip

Godel 6.0 - https://sites.google.com/site/godelches ... /downloads
https://sites.google.com/site/godelches ... indows.zip

Cheng 4.39 - http://www.vlasak.biz/cheng/
http://www.vlasak.biz/cheng/count.php

Gaviota 1.0 - https://sites.google.com/site/gaviotach ... e/download
https://sites.google.com/site/gaviotach ... indows.zip

Tucano 7.00 - https://sites.google.com/site/tucanoche ... nt-version
https://sites.google.com/site/tucanoche ... no.700.zip

Dirty 03NOV2015 - http://dirtychess.com/downloads.php
http://dirtychess.com/release/dirty_ori ... OV2015.zip

Cheese 2.1 - http://cheesechess.free.fr/en/download.html
http://cheesechess.free.fr/cheese/cheese-21-win.zip

Chronos 1.9.9 - https://sites.google.com/site/chronosce/downloads
https://sites.google.com/site/chronosce ... nos199.zip

Greko 2018.08 - http://greko.su/index_en.html
http://greko.su/greko-2018.08.zip

Phalanx XXV - https://sourceforge.net/projects/phalan ... ion%20XXV/
https://sourceforge.net/projects/phalan ... p/download


Have fun!

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Re: Strongest currently available Winboard engines for import to Chessmaster?

Post by Jimbo I » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:50 pm

In its first tournament game, Spike 1.4 lost on time. I'll have to keep a watch on Spike. If it loses many more games on time, I'll have to drop it from the list.

I forgot to mention that in my list of engines, I did not have to edit any configuration files; I only added command line parameters for the two noted engines.

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Re: Strongest currently available Winboard engines for import to Chessmaster?

Post by Jimbo I » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:24 am

Spike 1.4 just lost another game on time, and it wasn't even close. It just stopped working in the middle of the game. Scratch Spike 1.4 from the list.

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