Is it time to make chess tiger free engine

[Dann Corbit]

Several years ago, the sales of ChessMaster was over 5 million.
ChessMaster is in the top ten for sales of PC games of any kind.

Fritz is likely the second highest seller. The ChessBase products come with a connection to playchess.com, which boasts 200,000 members.
If only 10% of the people who bought Fritz joined, that would total 2 million total sales for all ChessBase products. I guess that it is less than that. The ChessAssistant site says "Every day the programs are successfully used by thousands of chess players all over the world."

I agree that I do not have exact sales figures for any chess engine. But I am fairly sure that the ChessMaster sales dwarf all of the other sales of every ofher software chess tool combined (in absolute volume numbers -- not at all sure about dollars because CM is cheap).

[PauloSoare]

On my country, in general, people knows only Chessmaster.
It´s the only chess program that you can find on a
story.

Paulo Soares

[tiger]

unless chess tiger can make another 100 pt. leap, perhaps it is time to retire and live the good life like ed. He was one of the wisest of all, first he retires then improved an already great engine, allowed others, his code, and is now immortalized as an icon in computer chess history.

Chess tiger could do the same, but better by doing all of those things but adding a linux binary as well. Let's face facts any more improvements would take months of work this is time wasted away from family, child, which is more important ask yourself and even if you could do it ct would still lose to rybka or zap or hiarcs or shredder or fritz.

maybe it is time to just let go.

Thank you for the trust you put in my ability to improve Chess Tiger...




// Christophe

[Graham Banks]

Thank you for the trust you put in my ability to improve Chess Tiger...

// Christophe

Don't take any notice of those comments Christophe.
Tiger is a fine engine and I believe that it will continue to get stronger..

Regards, Graham.

[Dann Corbit]

On my country, in general, people knows only Chessmaster.
It´s the only chess program that you can find on a
story.

Paulo Soares

It's pretty much the same in the US, where you can find ChessMaster at Fred Meyer's supermarket, or Wallmart or most any other big departments store or software outlet. The only place you can find other programs like Fritz or ChessAssistant is at chess specialty stores (I only know of one within 50 miles from here).

Of course you can buy them online, but most people don't even know they exist.

[Dann Corbit]

unless chess tiger can make another 100 pt. leap, perhaps it is time to retire and live the good life like ed. He was one of the wisest of all, first he retires then improved an already great engine, allowed others, his code, and is now immortalized as an icon in computer chess history.

Chess tiger could do the same, but better by doing all of those things but adding a linux binary as well. Let's face facts any more improvements would take months of work this is time wasted away from family, child, which is more important ask yourself and even if you could do it ct would still lose to rybka or zap or hiarcs or shredder or fritz.

maybe it is time to just let go.

Thank you for the trust you put in my ability to improve Chess Tiger...




// Christophe

ChessTiger was (at one time) the world's #1 strongest on the SSDF.

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  THE SSDF RATING LIST 2001-12-27   83119 games played by  229 computers

                                           Rating   +     -  Games   Won  Oppo

                                           ------  ---   --- -----   ---  ----

   1 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200   2715   38   -36   378   66%  2600

   2 Deep Fritz 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz        2711   37   -35   390   63%  2618

   3 Gambit Tiger 2.0  256MB Athlon 1200     2696   40   -39   319   61%  2617

   4 Junior 7.0  256MB  Athlon 1200 MHz      2681   37   -36   377   59%  2619

   5 Shredder 5.32  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz    2664   34   -33   438   57%  2611

   6 Deep Fritz  128MB K6-2 450 MHz          2658   26   -25   773   64%  2558

   7 Gandalf 4.32h  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz    2647   35   -34   406   54%  2619

You will be able to improve it as much as the effort you put into it.

I appreciate that you listen to your users. We begged for UCI and got it. It might not seem like a big deal, but I have asked for features in other software packages ten years ago (and repeated the requests over the years) and still they have not made any useful response.

It's nice to have a very strong chess program for the analysis. But truthfully, we all get plowed with anything as strong as GnuChess on modern hardware now-days.

Keep up the good work and improve ChessTiger for us. I will continue to be a loyal customer.

P.S.
Feature request:
Write out legal EPD records as you analyze games or positions.


P.P.S.
That's a mighty fine looking family you've got there.

[tiger]

unless chess tiger can make another 100 pt. leap, perhaps it is time to retire and live the good life like ed. He was one of the wisest of all, first he retires then improved an already great engine, allowed others, his code, and is now immortalized as an icon in computer chess history.

Chess tiger could do the same, but better by doing all of those things but adding a linux binary as well. Let's face facts any more improvements would take months of work this is time wasted away from family, child, which is more important ask yourself and even if you could do it ct would still lose to rybka or zap or hiarcs or shredder or fritz.

maybe it is time to just let go.

Thank you for the trust you put in my ability to improve Chess Tiger...




// Christophe

ChessTiger was (at one time) the world's #1 strongest on the SSDF.

Code: Select all

  THE SSDF RATING LIST 2001-12-27   83119 games played by  229 computers

                                           Rating   +     -  Games   Won  Oppo

                                           ------  ---   --- -----   ---  ----

   1 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200   2715   38   -36   378   66%  2600

   2 Deep Fritz 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz        2711   37   -35   390   63%  2618

   3 Gambit Tiger 2.0  256MB Athlon 1200     2696   40   -39   319   61%  2617

   4 Junior 7.0  256MB  Athlon 1200 MHz      2681   37   -36   377   59%  2619

   5 Shredder 5.32  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz    2664   34   -33   438   57%  2611

   6 Deep Fritz  128MB K6-2 450 MHz          2658   26   -25   773   64%  2558

   7 Gandalf 4.32h  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz    2647   35   -34   406   54%  2619

You will be able to improve it as much as the effort you put into it.

I appreciate that you listen to your users. We begged for UCI and got it. It might not seem like a big deal, but I have asked for features in other software packages ten years ago (and repeated the requests over the years) and still they have not made any useful response.

It's nice to have a very strong chess program for the analysis. But truthfully, we all get plowed with anything as strong as GnuChess on modern hardware now-days.

Keep up the good work and improve ChessTiger for us. I will continue to be a loyal customer.

P.S.
Feature request:
Write out legal EPD records as you analyze games or positions.


P.P.S.
That's a mighty fine looking family you've got there.

Thank you Dann.


// Christophe


PS: Chess Tiger has actually topped the SSDF list twice, the first time it was in 1999.

[tiger]

Thank you for the trust you put in my ability to improve Chess Tiger...

// Christophe

Don't take any notice of those comments Christophe.
Tiger is a fine engine and I believe that it will continue to get stronger..

Regards, Graham.

Thank you Graham.

I think Eriq did not mean to be harsh, but I think he just doesn't know me well enough.

BTW... you make it more and more difficult for me to express my criticism toward the CCRL list. But I will have to criticize it anyway.


// Christophe

[Graham Banks]

BTW... you make it more and more difficult for me to express my criticism toward the CCRL list. But I will have to criticize it anyway.

// Christophe

We're not perfect by a long shot, so fire away!

[GS]

Thank you for the trust you put in my ability to improve Chess Tiger...
:(
// Christophe

Don't take any notice of those comments Christophe.
Tiger is a fine engine and I believe that it will continue to get stronger..

Regards, Graham.

Thank you Graham.

I think Eriq did not mean to be harsh, but I think he just doesn't know me well enough.

BTW... you make it more and more difficult for me to express my criticism toward the CCRL list. But I will have to criticize it anyway. :)


// Christophe

Hi Christophe

I think your new update is quite improved :) It would have been
nice though, if you had mentioned that you also fixed CTs timing
bug, which caused time losses under WB, because CT allocated
sometimes more time than allowed in difficult positions.
(This did not happen under CB or Arena IIRC, because those
GUIs measure thinking time much less precise and in case of Arena
even allow negative time, which was proven by debugs long ago.
...The (in)famous Monarch case ;-)

Anyhow a silent bugfix is still a bugfix ;-) Thanks!
I don't regret to have bought it.

Regards,
Guenther

P.S. Any chance for a newer and up to date book at some time?