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Leto
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Re: Strelka: Justice in Reverse

Post by Leto » Sat May 12, 2007 11:53 pm

I can go on and on and on and on with that type of stuff, of course you will find another engine that shows same behaviour in SOME of those positions, but for sure not in them all.
So now tell me how you can't get suspicious ? I don't know of any engine that shows so many similarities without having something shared.
As I said several times, the author must explain a lot, these similarities do not look very random to me...

Greets, Thomas
None of the positions you posted showed anything suspicious. You kept talking about the depths and the scores being different, well that's not the only thing that were different, the moves suggested were almost entirely different!

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Re: Strelka: Justice in Reverse

Post by Thomas Mayer » Sun May 13, 2007 10:34 am

Hi Leto,
Leto wrote:
I can go on and on and on and on with that type of stuff, of course you will find another engine that shows same behaviour in SOME of those positions, but for sure not in them all.
So now tell me how you can't get suspicious ? I don't know of any engine that shows so many similarities without having something shared.
As I said several times, the author must explain a lot, these similarities do not look very random to me...
None of the positions you posted showed anything suspicious. You kept talking about the depths and the scores being different, well that's not the only thing that were different, the moves suggested were almost entirely different!
well, thanks for your statement, now I finally know what I was so far only guessing: You simply understand nothing about computerchess... You even can not compare different move notation - so better keep out when experts talking, thanks.

Greets, Thomas

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Re: Strelka: Justice in Reverse

Post by Eelco de Groot » Sun May 13, 2007 11:17 am

Hello Thomas,

Just a word of concern: if we could keep the discussions civil please. I think we basically all want the same and that is a fair review of a new,- and free!-, engine and a beginning author, and it is not helping anybody if we start accusing each other of knowing nothing about this hobby of ours.

Continuing in this fashion will probably mean that Graham as a moderator has to spend his Sunday again in editing all the Strelka threads and I think that would be a shame. Personally I think it is about time to end starting new threads about this, and stop repeating the same arguments without any new views, at least no new views that I can see in this matter.

Emotions are obvious on both "sides" and that only shows that we care about computerchess and basically about the same things.

Thank you very much,

Eelco

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Re: Strelka: Justice in Reverse

Post by Uri Blass » Sun May 13, 2007 12:10 pm

Analysis by movei progress 4 6 10 personality of these positions

[D]3r1rk1/2p1qppp/p1n5/1p1bP1N1/3pNQ2/1P6/PP3PPP/2RR2K1 w - - 0 1

Movei00_8_403:
1 00:00 1.344 0 +0.41 Qf4f5
2 00:00 1.448 0 +0.41 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4 Qf5xe4 Qe7xg5 Rc1xc6
2 00:00 1.930 0 +0.41 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4 Qf5xe4 Qe7xg5 Rc1xc6
3 00:00 1.986 0 +0.11 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4
3 00:00 2.836 0 +0.41 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4 Qf5xe4 Qe7xg5 Rc1xc6
3 00:00 3.713 0 +0.41 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4 Qf5xe4 Qe7xg5 Rc1xc6
4 00:00 4.277 0 +0.41 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4 Qf5xe4 Qe7xg5 Rc1xc6
4 00:00 5.790 0 +0.41 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4 Qf5xe4 Qe7xg5 Rc1xc6
5 00:00 8.317 0 +0.50 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4 Qf5xe4 Qe7xg5 Rc1xc6 f7f5
5 00:00 12.726 0 +0.50 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4 Qf5xe4 Qe7xg5 Rc1xc6 f7f5
6 00:00 20.150 0 +0.80 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4
6 00:00 28.801 0 +0.79 Qf4f5 g7g6 Qf5f6 Qe7d7 Rd1d3 Bd5xe4 Ng5xe4
6 00:00 41.910 0 +0.79 Qf4f5 g7g6 Qf5f6 Qe7d7 Rd1d3 Bd5xe4 Ng5xe4
7 00:00 55.658 0 +0.95 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4 Qf5xe4 Qe7xg5 Rc1xc6 Rf8e8 Rd1xd4 Rd8xd4 Qe4xd4 Qg5xe5 Qd4xe5 Re8xe5 Rc6xc7
7 00:00 80.507 0 +0.95 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4 Qf5xe4 Qe7xg5 Rc1xc6 Rf8e8 Rd1xd4 Rd8xd4 Qe4xd4 Qg5xe5 Qd4xe5 Re8xe5 Rc6xc7
8 00:00 110.804 0 +0.95 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4 Qf5xe4 Qe7xg5 Rc1xc6 Rf8e8 Rd1xd4 Rd8xd4 Qe4xd4 Qg5xe5 Qd4xe5 Re8xe5 Rc6xc7
8 00:00 172.124 0 +0.95 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4 Qf5xe4 Qe7xg5 Rc1xc6 Rf8e8 Rd1xd4 Rd8xd4 Qe4xd4 Qg5xe5 Qd4xe5 Re8xe5 Rc6xc7
9 00:00 217.460 0 +0.87 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4 Qf5xe4 Qe7xg5 Rc1xc6 Rf8e8 f2f4 Qg5g4 Rd1xd4 Rd8xd4 Qe4xd4
9 00:01 370.816 0 +0.87 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4 Qf5xe4 Qe7xg5 Rc1xc6 Rf8e8 f2f4 Qg5g4 Rd1xd4 Rd8xd4 Qe4xd4
10 00:01 484.876 0 +0.87 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4 Qf5xe4 Qe7xg5 Rc1xc6 Rf8e8 f2f4 Qg5g4 Rd1xd4 Rd8xd4 Qe4xd4
10 00:03 935.171 0 +0.87 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4 Qf5xe4 Qe7xg5 Rc1xc6 Rf8e8 f2f4 Qg5g4 Rd1xd4 Rd8xd4 Qe4xd4
11 00:04 1.119.912 0 +0.81 Qf4f5 Bd5xe4 Qf5xe4 Qe7xg5 Rc1xc6 Rf8e8 f2f4 Qg5g4 Rd1xd4 Rd8xd4 Qe4xd4 Qg4e2
11 00:05 1.495.601 0 +0.82 Ng5xh7 Kg8xh7
11 00:06 1.669.454 0 +1.11 Ng5xh7 Kg8xh7
11 00:12 3.366.441 0 +1.94 Ng5xh7 Qe7xe5 Ne4f6+ g7xf6 Qf4h6 Rd8d6 Rd1d3 Rf8e8 Rd3g3+ Qe5xg3 f2xg3 Re8e6 Nh7f8
11 00:13 3.675.291 0 +1.94 Ng5xh7 Qe7xe5 Ne4f6+ g7xf6 Qf4h6 Rd8d6 Rd1d3 Rf8e8 Rd3g3+ Qe5xg3 f2xg3 Re8e6 Nh7f8
12 00:17 4.711.665 0 +2.06 Ng5xh7 Qe7xe5 Ne4f6+ g7xf6 Qf4h6 Rd8d6 Rd1d3 Rf8e8 f2f4 Qe5e1+ Rc1xe1 Re8xe1+ Kg1f2 Re1e3 Rd3xe3 d4xe3+ Kf2xe3
12 00:19 5.543.419 0 +2.06 Ng5xh7 Qe7xe5 Ne4f6+ g7xf6 Qf4h6 Rd8d6 Rd1d3 Rf8e8 f2f4 Qe5e1+ Rc1xe1 Re8xe1+ Kg1f2 Re1e3 Rd3xe3 d4xe3+ Kf2xe3
13 00:28 7.842.195 0 +2.36 Ng5xh7 Qe7xe5
13 01:03 18.581.058 0 +2.46 Ng5xh7 f7f6 Nh7xf6+ g7xf6 Ne4xf6+ Rf8xf6 e5xf6 Qe7d6 Qf4g4+ Kg8f7 Qg4g7+ Kf7e6 f2f4 Qd6f8 Qg7xc7 Qf8d6 Qc7b7 Ke6f5 Qb7xa6 Qd6xf6 Qa6xb5 Kf5xf4
13 01:08 20.125.207 0 +2.46 Ng5xh7 f7f6 Nh7xf6+ g7xf6 Ne4xf6+ Rf8xf6 e5xf6 Qe7d6 Qf4g4+ Kg8f7 Qg4g7+ Kf7e6 f2f4 Qd6f8 Qg7xc7 Qf8d6 Qc7b7 Ke6f5 Qb7xa6 Qd6xf6 Qa6xb5 Kf5xf4
14 01:35 27.259.179 0 +2.36 Ng5xh7 Bd5xe4 Qf4xe4 f7f5 Qe4xc6 Kg8xh7 f2f4 d4d3 Qc6xa6 Qe7b4 Rc1xc7 Qb4xf4 Qa6xb5 Qf4d4+ Kg1h1 Qd4xb2
14 01:48 31.127.121 0 +2.36 Ng5xh7 Bd5xe4 Qf4xe4 f7f5 Qe4xc6 Kg8xh7 f2f4 d4d3 Qc6xa6 Qe7b4 Rc1xc7 Qb4xf4 Qa6xb5 Qf4d4+ Kg1h1 Qd4xb2
15 02:30 42.271.109 0 +2.38 Ng5xh7 Bd5xe4 Qf4xe4 f7f5 Qe4xc6 Kg8xh7 f2f4 d4d3 Qc6xa6 d3d2 Rc1c3 Qe7d7 Qa6a7 Rd8a8 Qa7xc7 Qd7d4+ Kg1h1 Ra8xa2 Rc3h3+ Kh7g8
15 03:00 51.955.118 0 +2.38 Ng5xh7 Bd5xe4 Qf4xe4 f7f5 Qe4xc6 Kg8xh7 f2f4 d4d3 Qc6xa6 d3d2 Rc1c3 Qe7d7 Qa6a7 Rd8a8 Qa7xc7 Qd7d4+ Kg1h1 Ra8xa2 Rc3h3+ Kh7g8
16 04:39 79.468.927 0 +2.45 Ng5xh7 Bd5xe4 Qf4xe4 f7f5 Qe4xc6 Kg8xh7 f2f4 d4d3 Qc6xa6 d3d2 Rc1c3 Qe7d7 Qa6c6 Qd7d4+ Kg1h1 Qd4f2 Rc3h3+ Kh7g8 Qc6e6+ Rf8f7
16 05:57 104.438.045 0 +2.45 Ng5xh7 Bd5xe4 Qf4xe4 f7f5 Qe4xc6 Kg8xh7 f2f4 d4d3 Qc6xa6 d3d2 Rc1c3 Qe7d7 Qa6c6 Qd7d4+ Kg1h1 Qd4f2 Rc3h3+ Kh7g8 Qc6e6+ Rf8f7
17 09:37 166.533.708 0 +2.38 Ng5xh7 Bd5xe4 Qf4xe4 f7f5 Qe4xc6 Kg8xh7 f2f4 d4d3 Qc6xa6 d3d2 Rc1c3 Qe7d7 Qa6a7 Rd8a8 Qa7xc7 Qd7d4+ Kg1h1 Ra8xa2 Rc3h3+ Kh7g8
17 13:45 244.918.558 0 +2.38 Ng5xh7 Bd5xe4 Qf4xe4 f7f5 Qe4xc6 Kg8xh7 f2f4 d4d3 Qc6xa6 d3d2 Rc1c3 Qe7d7 Qa6a7 Rd8a8 Qa7xc7 Qd7d4+ Kg1h1 Ra8xa2 Rc3h3+ Kh7g8
18 21:45 386.145.523 0 +2.49 Ng5xh7 Bd5xe4 Qf4xe4 f7f5 Qe4xc6 Kg8xh7 f2f4 d4d3 Qc6xa6 d3d2 Rc1c3 Qe7d7 Qa6a7 Rf8f7 Qa7e3 Qd7d4 Qe3xd4 Rd8xd4 Rc3c6


movei suggest a different move than rybka and even at depth 18 it does not like Rxc6

position number 2:
movei finds g1B

[D]8/5k2/4p3/4Pp1p/5P1P/3Rn2K/6p1/8 b - - 0 1

Movei00_8_403:
1 26:30 150 0 +8.43 g2g1Q
2 26:30 156 0 +8.43 g2g1Q Rd3d7+ Kf7g6
2 26:30 192 0 +8.43 g2g1Q Rd3d7+ Kf7g6
3 26:30 209 0 +8.43 g2g1Q Rd3d7+ Kf7g6
3 26:30 340 0 +8.43 g2g1Q Rd3d7+ Kf7g6
4 26:30 555 0 +8.38 g2g1Q Rd3d7+ Kf7g8 Rd7d8+ Kg8g7
4 26:30 780 0 +8.38 g2g1Q Rd3d7+ Kf7g8 Rd7d8+ Kg8g7
5 26:30 1.277 0 +8.41 g2g1Q Rd3d7+ Kf7g8 Rd7d8+ Kg8h7 Rd8h8+ Kh7g7
5 26:30 1.711 0 +8.41 g2g1Q Rd3d7+ Kf7g8 Rd7d8+ Kg8h7 Rd8h8+ Kh7g7
6 26:30 2.057 0 +8.11 g2g1Q Rd3d7+
6 26:30 2.492 0 +8.08 g2g1Q Rd3d7+ Kf7e8 Rd7e7+ Ke8d8 Re7e8+ Kd8c7 Re8e7+ Kc7c8
6 26:30 3.264 0 +8.08 g2g1Q Rd3d7+ Kf7e8 Rd7e7+ Ke8d8 Re7e8+ Kd8c7 Re8e7+ Kc7c8
7 26:30 3.954 0 +7.78 g2g1Q Rd3d7+
7 26:30 4.406 0 +7.08 g2g1Q Rd3d7+
7 26:30 4.632 0 0.00 g2g1Q Rd3d7+ Kf7e8 Rd7d8+ Ke8e7 Rd8d7+ Ke7f8 Rd7d8+ Kf8g7 Rd8g8+ Kg7xg8
7 26:30 8.421 0 +0.01 Ne3d5 Kh3xg2
7 26:30 9.341 0 +0.30 Ne3d5 Kh3xg2
7 26:30 13.066 0 +0.68 Ne3d5 Kh3h2 Nd5xf4 Rd3d7+ Kf7f8 Kh2g1 Kf8e8 Rd7g7
7 26:30 15.179 0 +0.69 g2g1B Rd3d7+
7 26:30 15.887 0 +0.98 g2g1B Rd3d7+
7 26:30 19.950 0 +1.40 g2g1B Rd3d7+ Kf7e8 Rd7h7 Ne3d5 Kh3g3 Bg1e3
7 26:30 19.950 0 +1.40 g2g1B Rd3d7+ Kf7e8 Rd7h7 Ne3d5 Kh3g3 Bg1e3
8 26:30 26.102 0 +1.58 g2g1B Rd3d7+ Kf7e8 Rd7h7 Ne3d5 Rh7h8+ Ke8f7 Kh3g3 Bg1e3
8 26:30 31.790 0 +1.58 g2g1B Rd3d7+ Kf7e8 Rd7h7 Ne3d5 Rh7h8+ Ke8f7 Kh3g3 Bg1e3
9 26:30 41.367 0 +1.41 g2g1B Rd3d7+ Kf7e8 Rd7d6 Ke8e7 Rd6b6 Bg1f2 Rb6b7+ Ke7d8 Rb7h7
9 26:30 52.905 0 +1.41 g2g1B Rd3d7+ Kf7e8 Rd7d6 Ke8e7 Rd6b6 Bg1f2 Rb6b7+ Ke7d8 Rb7h7
10 26:30 80.980 0 +1.57 g2g1B Rd3d7+ Kf7e8 Rd7d6 Ne3d5 Rd6xe6+ Ke8f7 Re6d6 Nd5xf4+ Kh3g3 Nf4e2+ Kg3f3 Ne2d4+ Kf3g3
10 26:30 101.679 0 +1.57 g2g1B Rd3d7+ Kf7e8 Rd7d6 Ne3d5 Rd6xe6+ Ke8f7 Re6d6 Nd5xf4+ Kh3g3 Nf4e2+ Kg3f3 Ne2d4+ Kf3g3
11 26:30 202.855 0 +1.68 g2g1B Kh3g3 Ne3d5 Kg3f3 Bg1c5 Rd3b3 Bc5b4 Rb3b1 Bb4e7
11 26:30 240.909 0 +1.68 g2g1B Kh3g3 Ne3d5 Kg3f3 Bg1c5 Rd3b3 Bc5b4 Rb3b1 Bb4e7
12 26:31 415.972 0 +1.71 g2g1B Kh3g3 Ne3d5 Kg3f3 Bg1b6 Rd3d2 Bb6d8 Kf3g3 Bd8e7 Rd2c2 Kf7g6
12 26:31 498.494 0 +1.71 g2g1B Kh3g3 Ne3d5 Kg3f3 Bg1b6 Rd3d2 Bb6d8 Kf3g3 Bd8e7 Rd2c2 Kf7g6
13 26:31 714.697 0 +1.68 g2g1B Kh3g3 Ne3d5 Kg3f3 Bg1b6 Rd3d1 Kf7g6 Rd1e1 Bb6c5 Re1c1 Bc5d4
13 26:32 870.629 0 +1.68 g2g1B Kh3g3 Ne3d5 Kg3f3 Bg1b6 Rd3d1 Kf7g6 Rd1e1 Bb6c5 Re1c1 Bc5d4
14 26:34 1.819.948 0 +1.80 g2g1B Kh3g3 Ne3d5 Kg3f3 Bg1b6 Rd3d1 Kf7g6 Kf3g3 Bb6c5 Kg3f3 Kg6f7 Rd1c1 Bc5d4
14 26:34 2.143.977 0 +1.80 g2g1B Kh3g3 Ne3d5 Kg3f3 Bg1b6 Rd3d1 Kf7g6 Kf3g3 Bb6c5 Kg3f3 Kg6f7 Rd1c1 Bc5d4
15 26:37 3.370.730 0 +1.72 g2g1B Kh3g3 Ne3d5 Kg3f3 Bg1b6 Rd3d2 Kf7e8 Rd2d1 Bb6d8 Kf3g3 Nd5c3 Rd1a1 Nc3e4+ Kg3h3
15 26:38 4.020.386 0 +1.72 g2g1B Kh3g3 Ne3d5 Kg3f3 Bg1b6 Rd3d2 Kf7e8 Rd2d1 Bb6d8 Kf3g3 Nd5c3 Rd1a1 Nc3e4+ Kg3h3

position number 3(no tablebases):

[D]k7/P7/8/8/3BK3/8/8/8 w - - 0 1

Movei00_8_403:
1 27:42 26 0 +6.10 Ke4d5
2 27:42 28 0 +6.04 Ke4d5 Ka8b7
2 27:42 64 0 +6.04 Ke4d5 Ka8b7
3 27:42 86 0 +6.10 Ke4d5 Ka8b7 Kd5c4
3 27:42 335 0 +6.10 Ke4d5 Ka8b7 Kd5c4
4 27:42 380 0 +6.25 Ke4d5 Ka8b7 Kd5c4 Kb7a8
4 27:42 821 0 +6.25 Ke4d5 Ka8b7 Kd5c4 Kb7a8
5 27:42 884 0 +6.35 Ke4d5 Ka8b7 Kd5c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b5
5 27:42 1.626 0 +6.35 Ke4d5 Ka8b7 Kd5c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b5
6 27:42 1.843 0 +6.39 Ke4d5 Ka8b7 Kd5c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b5 Ka8b7
6 27:42 4.601 0 +6.39 Ke4d5 Ka8b7 Kd5c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b5 Ka8b7
7 27:42 5.019 0 +6.39 Ke4d5 Ka8b7 Kd5c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5
7 27:42 10.839 0 +6.39 Ke4d5 Ka8b7 Kd5c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5
8 27:42 12.004 0 +6.28 Ke4d5 Ka8b7 Kd5c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5 Kb7a8
8 27:42 12.969 0 +6.29 Ke4f5 Ka8b7
8 27:42 14.942 0 +6.35 Ke4f5 Ka8b7 Kf5e5 Kb7a8 Ke5d5 Ka8b7 Kd5c4 Kb7a8
8 27:42 15.872 0 +6.36 Ke4d3 Ka8b7
8 27:42 17.625 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c3 Kb7a8 Kc3c4 Ka8b7 Kc4b5 Kb7a8
8 27:42 31.592 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c3 Kb7a8 Kc3c4 Ka8b7 Kc4b5 Kb7a8
9 27:42 36.109 0 +6.45 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2c3 Ka8b7 Kc3b4 Kb7a8 Kb4b5
9 27:42 75.832 0 +6.45 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2c3 Ka8b7 Kc3b4 Kb7a8 Kb4b5
10 27:42 93.336 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2c3 Ka8b7 Kc3b4 Kb7a8 Kb4b5 Ka8b7
10 27:42 187.023 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2c3 Ka8b7 Kc3b4 Kb7a8 Kb4b5 Ka8b7
11 27:42 206.105 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2c3 Ka8b7 Kc3c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5
11 27:43 329.238 0 +6.40 Ke4d5 Ka8b7
11 27:43 342.006 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2c3 Ka8b7 Kc3c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5
11 27:43 408.901 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2c3 Ka8b7 Kc3c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5
12 27:43 460.519 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2c3 Kb7a8 Kc3c4 Ka8b7 Kc4b5 Kb7a8
12 27:43 722.316 0 +6.45 Ke4e5 Ka8b7
12 27:43 769.630 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2c3 Kb7a8 Kc3c4 Ka8b7 Kc4b5 Kb7a8
12 27:43 896.715 0 +6.45 Ke4e3 Ka8b7
12 27:43 930.634 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2c3 Kb7a8 Kc3c4 Ka8b7 Kc4b5 Kb7a8
12 27:43 962.032 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2c3 Kb7a8 Kc3c4 Ka8b7 Kc4b5 Kb7a8
13 27:44 1.091.317 0 +6.45 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b5
13 27:45 2.429.781 0 +6.45 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b5
14 27:47 4.079.814 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c4 Ka8b7 Kc4b4 Kb7a8 Kb4b5 Ka8b7
14 27:57 12.614.228 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c4 Ka8b7 Kc4b4 Kb7a8 Kb4b5 Ka8b7
15 27:59 14.107.439 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5
15 27:59 14.109.560 0 +6.40 Bd4b6 Ka8b7
15 28:00 15.291.080 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5
15 28:00 15.301.793 0 +6.40 Ke4f5 Ka8b7
15 28:01 16.226.112 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5
15 28:01 16.228.317 0 +6.40 Bd4c5 Ka8b7
15 28:03 17.363.617 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5
15 28:03 17.432.490 0 +6.40 Ke4f4 Ka8b7
15 28:04 18.291.179 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5
15 28:04 18.293.734 0 +6.40 Bd4g1 Ka8b7
15 28:05 19.256.975 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5
15 28:05 19.259.562 0 +6.40 Bd4e3 Ka8b7
15 28:06 20.190.413 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5
15 28:06 20.192.936 0 +6.40 Bd4f2 Ka8b7
15 28:08 21.120.959 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5
15 28:08 21.130.149 0 +6.40 Ke4f3 Ka8b7
15 28:09 21.904.249 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5
15 28:09 21.916.451 0 +6.40 Ke4e5 Ka8b7
15 28:11 22.953.806 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5
15 28:11 22.957.090 0 +6.40 Ke4d5 Ka8b7
15 28:12 23.735.557 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5
15 28:13 24.375.558 0 +6.39 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3c4 Kb7a8 Kc4b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5
16 28:15 26.164.242 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3b3 Kb7a8 Kb3b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5 Kb7a8
16 28:15 26.169.176 0 +6.45 Bd4b6 Ka8b7
16 28:17 27.786.512 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3b3 Kb7a8 Kb3b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5 Kb7a8
16 28:17 27.791.375 0 +6.45 Bd4c5 Ka8b7
16 28:19 29.408.523 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3b3 Kb7a8 Kb3b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5 Kb7a8
16 28:19 29.416.122 0 +6.45 Ke4e5 Ka8b7
16 28:21 30.991.647 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3b3 Kb7a8 Kb3b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5 Kb7a8
16 28:21 30.998.080 0 +6.45 Bd4g1 Ka8b7
16 28:22 32.578.569 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3b3 Kb7a8 Kb3b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5 Kb7a8
16 28:22 32.585.321 0 +6.45 Ke4f5 Ka8b7
16 28:25 34.564.446 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3b3 Kb7a8 Kb3b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5 Kb7a8
16 28:25 34.570.075 0 +6.45 Bd4e3 Ka8b7
16 28:26 35.952.084 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3b3 Kb7a8 Kb3b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5 Kb7a8
16 28:26 35.957.786 0 +6.45 Bd4f2 Ka8b7
16 28:28 37.321.574 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3b3 Kb7a8 Kb3b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5 Kb7a8
16 28:28 37.328.341 0 +6.45 Ke4f4 Ka8b7
16 28:30 39.144.778 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3b3 Kb7a8 Kb3b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5 Kb7a8
16 28:30 39.153.785 0 +6.45 Ke4f3 Ka8b7
16 28:32 40.714.518 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3b3 Kb7a8 Kb3b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5 Kb7a8
16 28:32 40.719.646 0 +6.45 Ke4d5 Ka8b7
16 28:33 41.762.381 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3b3 Kb7a8 Kb3b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5 Kb7a8
16 28:33 41.774.323 0 +6.45 Ke4e3 Ka8b7
16 28:35 42.869.225 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3b3 Kb7a8 Kb3b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5 Kb7a8
16 28:35 42.869.239 0 +6.44 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Kc3b3 Kb7a8 Kb3b4 Ka8b7 Kb4b5 Kb7a8
17 28:39 46.777.810 0 +6.45 Ke4d3 Ka8b7 Kd3c2 Kb7a8 Kc2d2 Ka8b7 Kd2d3 Kb7a8 Kd3c3 Ka8b7 Bd4c5 Kb7a8 Kc3b4 Ka8b7 Bc5d4 Kb7a8 Kb4b5

wrong score but
different move

position number 4:
movei is faster than both rybka and starlka

FEN: 8/8/1P1k2p1/8/5P1p/4Qb2/1q4PK/8 w - - 0 1

Movei00_8_403:
1 30:30 260 0 +0.15 Qe3e5+
2 30:30 285 0 +0.15 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5 f4xe5+ Kd6c6 g2xf3 Kc6xb6
2 30:30 529 0 +0.15 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5 f4xe5+ Kd6c6 g2xf3 Kc6xb6
3 30:30 642 0 +0.15 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5 f4xe5+ Kd6c5 g2xf3 Kc5xb6
3 30:30 1.387 0 +0.15 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5 f4xe5+ Kd6c5 g2xf3 Kc5xb6
4 30:30 1.531 0 +0.15 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5 f4xe5+ Kd6c5 g2xf3 Kc5xb6
4 30:30 2.424 0 +0.16 Qe3xf3 Qb2xb6
4 30:30 2.624 0 +0.45 Qe3xf3 Qb2xb6
4 30:30 3.698 0 +0.90 Qe3xf3 Qb2xb6 Kh2h3 Qb6d4 Kh3xh4
4 30:30 4.111 0 +0.90 Qe3xf3 Qb2xb6 Kh2h3 Qb6d4 Kh3xh4
5 30:30 7.445 0 +0.90 Qe3xf3 Qb2xb6 Kh2h3 Qb6d4 Kh3xh4
5 30:30 8.867 0 +0.90 Qe3xf3 Qb2xb6 Kh2h3 Qb6d4 Kh3xh4
6 30:30 18.304 0 +0.92 Qe3xf3 Qb2xb6 Kh2h3 Qb6d4 Kh3xh4 Kd6e6 Qf3c6+ Ke6f5
6 30:30 22.971 0 +0.92 Qe3xf3 Qb2xb6 Kh2h3 Qb6d4 Kh3xh4 Kd6e6 Qf3c6+ Ke6f5
7 30:30 56.018 0 +0.87 Qe3xf3 Qb2xb6 Kh2h3 Qb6d4 Kh3xh4 Qd4f6+ Kh4g3 Qf6d4
7 30:30 68.851 0 +0.87 Qe3xf3 Qb2xb6 Kh2h3 Qb6d4 Kh3xh4 Qd4f6+ Kh4g3 Qf6d4
8 30:30 206.511 0 +0.97 Qe3xf3 Qb2xb6 Kh2h3 Qb6c7 Kh3xh4 Qc7e7+ Kh4g3 Qe7e1+ Qf3f2 Qe1b4
8 30:30 245.668 0 +0.98 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5
8 30:30 246.268 0 +0.97 Qe3xf3 Qb2xb6 Kh2h3 Qb6c7 Kh3xh4 Qc7e7+ Kh4g3 Qe7e1+ Qf3f2 Qe1b4
8 30:30 249.830 0 +0.97 Qe3xf3 Qb2xb6 Kh2h3 Qb6c7 Kh3xh4 Qc7e7+ Kh4g3 Qe7e1+ Qf3f2 Qe1b4
9 30:31 600.705 0 +1.02 Qe3xf3 Qb2xb6 Qf3g4 Kd6e7 Qg4xh4+ Ke7f7 Qh4e1 Qb6d6 Qe1e4 Qd6d1
9 30:31 716.652 0 +1.02 Qe3xf3 Qb2xb6 Qf3g4 Kd6e7 Qg4xh4+ Ke7f7 Qh4e1 Qb6d6 Qe1e4 Qd6d1
10 30:33 1.662.236 0 +1.05 Qe3xf3 Qb2xb6 Kh2h3 Qb6c7 Qf3e4 Qc7h7 Qe4e5+ Kd6c6 Qe5f6+ Kc6d5 Qf6xh4 Qh7d7+ Kh3g3
10 30:34 2.004.810 0 +1.05 Qe3xf3 Qb2xb6 Kh2h3 Qb6c7 Qf3e4 Qc7h7 Qe4e5+ Kd6c6 Qe5f6+ Kc6d5 Qf6xh4 Qh7d7+ Kh3g3
11 30:41 4.975.526 0 +1.08 Qe3xf3 Qb2xb6 Kh2h3 Qb6c7 Kh3xh4 Qc7e7+ Kh4h3 Qe7e6+ g2g4 Kd6e7 Kh3h4 Ke7f7 Qf3c3
11 30:44 6.412.778 0 +1.09 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5
11 30:44 6.436.808 0 +1.38 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5
11 30:44 6.467.188 0 +1.48 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5 f4xe5+ Kd6xe5 g2xf3 Ke5d6 f3f4 Kd6c6 Kh2h3 Kc6xb6 Kh3xh4 Kb6c6 Kh4g5 Kc6d5 Kg5xg6 Kd5e4
11 30:44 6.506.917 0 +1.48 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5 f4xe5+ Kd6xe5 g2xf3 Ke5d6 f3f4 Kd6c6 Kh2h3 Kc6xb6 Kh3xh4 Kb6c6 Kh4g5 Kc6d5 Kg5xg6 Kd5e4
12 30:44 6.568.570 0 +1.78 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5
12 30:45 6.661.660 0 +2.24 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5 f4xe5+ Kd6xe5 g2xf3 Ke5d6 f3f4 Kd6c6 Kh2h3 Kc6xb6 Kh3xh4 Kb6c6 Kh4g5 Kc6d5 Kg5xg6 Kd5e6 f4f5+ Ke6e5
12 30:52 10.475.311 0 +2.24 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5 f4xe5+ Kd6xe5 g2xf3 Ke5d6 f3f4 Kd6c6 Kh2h3 Kc6xb6 Kh3xh4 Kb6c6 Kh4g5 Kc6d5 Kg5xg6 Kd5e6 f4f5+ Ke6e5
13 30:52 10.605.905 0 +2.54 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5
13 30:53 10.767.336 0 +2.67 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5 f4xe5+ Kd6xe5 g2xf3 Ke5d6 f3f4 Kd6c6 Kh2h3 Kc6xb6 Kh3xh4 Kb6c6 Kh4g5 Kc6d5 Kg5xg6 Kd5e4 Kg6g5 Ke4d5
13 31:03 15.799.463 0 +2.67 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5 f4xe5+ Kd6xe5 g2xf3 Ke5d6 f3f4 Kd6c6 Kh2h3 Kc6xb6 Kh3xh4 Kb6c6 Kh4g5 Kc6d5 Kg5xg6 Kd5e4 Kg6g5 Ke4d5
14 31:04 16.595.750 0 +2.95 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5 f4xe5+ Kd6c6 g2xf3 Kc6xb6 f3f4 Kb6c6 Kh2h3 Kc6d5 Kh3xh4 Kd5e6 Kh4g5 Ke6f7 e5e6+ Kf7xe6 Kg5xg6 Ke6e7 f4f5 Ke7d6
14 31:30 29.845.682 0 +2.95 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5 f4xe5+ Kd6c6 g2xf3 Kc6xb6 f3f4 Kb6c6 Kh2h3 Kc6d5 Kh3xh4 Kd5e6 Kh4g5 Ke6f7 e5e6+ Kf7xe6 Kg5xg6 Ke6e7 f4f5 Ke7d6
15 31:32 31.410.218 0 +3.25 Qe3e5+ Qb2xe5

position number 5:no strange move by movei

[D]8/4k3/2R5/4p3/4B1K1/5P2/1r6/8 w - - 0 73

Movei00_8_403:
1 34:09 212 0 +3.97 Kg4f5
2 34:09 289 0 +4.27 Kg4f5
2 34:09 380 0 +4.97 Kg4f5
2 34:09 602 0 +5.07 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7f7 Re6xe5
2 34:09 843 0 +5.07 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7f7 Re6xe5
3 34:09 1.042 0 +5.01 Kg4f5 Rb2a2 Kf5xe5
3 34:09 1.800 0 +5.01 Kg4f5 Rb2a2 Kf5xe5
4 34:09 2.723 0 +5.07 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7f7 Re6xe5
4 34:09 4.684 0 +5.07 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7f7 Re6xe5
5 34:09 8.718 0 +5.15 Kg4f5 Ke7d7 Kf5xe5 Rb2b5+ Be4d5 Rb5b2
5 34:09 15.279 0 +5.15 Kg4f5 Ke7d7 Kf5xe5 Rb2b5+ Be4d5 Rb5b2
6 34:09 19.047 0 +5.24 Kg4f5 Ke7d7 Kf5xe5 Rb2b5+ Be4d5 Rb5b2 f3f4 Rb2e2+ Ke5f5
6 34:09 32.784 0 +5.24 Kg4f5 Ke7d7 Kf5xe5 Rb2b5+ Be4d5 Rb5b2 f3f4 Rb2e2+ Ke5f5
7 34:09 44.837 0 +5.23 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7f8 Kf5f6 Rb5b2 Re6xe5 Rb2g2
7 34:09 79.409 0 +5.23 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7f8 Kf5f6 Rb5b2 Re6xe5 Rb2g2
8 34:09 115.521 0 +5.28 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7d8 Kf5f6 Rb5a5 Re6xe5 Ra5a6+ Re5e6 Ra6a2 Re6d6+ Kd8e8
8 34:09 170.233 0 +5.28 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7d8 Kf5f6 Rb5a5 Re6xe5 Ra5a6+ Re5e6 Ra6a2 Re6d6+ Kd8e8
9 34:09 216.837 0 +5.23 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7d8 Re6xe5 Rb5xe5+ Kf5xe5 Kd8d7 Be4d5 Kd7e7 f3f4
9 34:10 346.914 0 +5.23 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7d8 Re6xe5 Rb5xe5+ Kf5xe5 Kd8d7 Be4d5 Kd7e7 f3f4
10 34:10 493.492 0 +5.33 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7f7 Re6xe5 Rb5xe5+ Kf5xe5 Kf7e7 Be4c6 Ke7f7 Bc6d5+ Kf7g6 f3f4
10 34:10 764.344 0 +5.33 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7f7 Re6xe5 Rb5xe5+ Kf5xe5 Kf7e7 Be4c6 Ke7f7 Bc6d5+ Kf7g6 f3f4
11 34:11 1.082.128 0 +5.38 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7f7 Re6xe5 Rb5xe5+ Kf5xe5 Kf7g7 f3f4 Kg7f8 Ke5f6 Kf8e8
11 34:12 1.604.350 0 +5.38 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7f7 Re6xe5 Rb5xe5+ Kf5xe5 Kf7g7 f3f4 Kg7f8 Ke5f6 Kf8e8
12 34:14 2.635.386 0 +5.42 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7d8 Re6xe5 Rb5b6 Re5e6 Rb6b8 Kf5e5 Rb8b3 f3f4 Rb3b2 Re6c6
12 34:17 3.826.253 0 +5.42 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7d8 Re6xe5 Rb5b6 Re5e6 Rb6b8 Kf5e5 Rb8b3 f3f4 Rb3b2 Re6c6
13 34:20 5.504.205 0 +5.44 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7d8 Re6xe5 Rb5b6 Re5e6 Rb6b2 Kf5e5 Rb2e2 Re6h6 Kd8d7 Rh6h7+ Kd7e8
13 34:26 8.251.606 0 +5.44 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7d8 Re6xe5 Rb5b6 Re5e6 Rb6b2 Kf5e5 Rb2e2 Re6h6 Kd8d7 Rh6h7+ Kd7e8
14 34:37 13.268.006 0 +5.45 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7f7 Re6xe5 Rb5b6 f3f4 Rb6a6 Be4d5+ Kf7f8 Re5e1 Ra6a4 Re1g1 Kf8e7 Rg1g7+ Ke7d6
14 34:50 20.078.264 0 +5.45 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7f7 Re6xe5 Rb5b6 f3f4 Rb6a6 Be4d5+ Kf7f8 Re5e1 Ra6a4 Re1g1 Kf8e7 Rg1g7+ Ke7d6
15 35:28 37.369.034 0 +5.50 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7d8 Re6xe5 Rb5b8 Kf5f6 Kd8d7 Re5d5+ Kd7c7 Rd5d2 Rb8d8 Rd2xd8 Kc7xd8 Kf6e6 Kd8e8 f3f4
15 35:51 49.807.591 0 +5.50 Kg4f5 Rb2b5 Rc6e6+ Ke7d8 Re6xe5 Rb5b8 Kf5f6 Kd8d7 Re5d5+ Kd7c7 Rd5d2 Rb8d8 Rd2xd8 Kc7xd8 Kf6e6 Kd8e8 f3f4

position number 6:
Movei see the mate

[D]8/3N4/8/8/1pp5/brpp4/qpprp3/1nkbK3 w - - 0 13

Movei00_8_403:
1 36:53 15 0 -45.42 Ke1f2
2 36:53 20 0 -45.72 Ke1f2
2 36:53 25 0 -46.10 Ke1f2 e2e1Q+ Kf2xe1 Rd2e2+ Ke1f1
2 36:53 29 0 -46.09 Nd7e5
2 36:53 32 0 -45.80 Nd7e5
2 36:53 48 0 -43.44 Nd7e5 Qa2a1 Ne5xc4 Qa1a2
2 36:53 99 0 -43.44 Nd7e5 Qa2a1 Ne5xc4 Qa1a2
3 36:53 142 0 -43.14 Nd7e5 Qa2a1
3 36:53 172 0 -42.44 Nd7e5 Qa2a1
3 36:53 209 0 0.00 Nd7e5 Qa2a1 Ne5d7 Qa1a2
3 36:53 255 0 0.00 Nd7e5 Qa2a1 Ne5d7 Qa1a2
4 36:53 266 0 -0.30 Nd7e5 Qa2a1
4 36:53 276 0 -1.00 Nd7e5 Qa2a1
4 36:53 287 0 0.00 Nd7e5 Qa2a1 Ne5d7 Qa1a2
4 36:53 334 0 0.00 Nd7e5 Qa2a1 Ne5d7 Qa1a2
5 36:53 345 0 -0.30 Nd7e5 Qa2a1
5 36:53 355 0 -1.00 Nd7e5 Qa2a1
5 36:53 366 0 0.00 Nd7e5 Qa2a1 Ne5d7 Qa1a2
5 36:53 413 0 0.00 Nd7e5 Qa2a1 Ne5d7 Qa1a2
6 36:53 436 0 -0.30 Nd7e5 Qa2a1
6 36:53 458 0 -1.00 Nd7e5 Qa2a1
6 36:53 529 0 +0.30 Nd7e5
6 36:53 588 0 +0.30 Nd7e5
7 36:53 622 0 0.00 Nd7e5 Qa2a1
7 36:53 655 0 0.00 Nd7e5 Qa2a1 Ne5d7 Qa1a2
7 36:53 831 0 0.00 Nd7e5 Qa2a1 Ne5d7 Qa1a2
8 36:53 934 0 0.00 Nd7e5 Qa2a1 Ne5d7 Qa1a2
8 36:53 1.501 0 0.00 Nd7e5 Qa2a1 Ne5d7 Qa1a2
9 36:53 1.580 0 +0.30 Nd7e5 Qa2a1
9 36:53 1.595 0 +1.00 Nd7e5 Qa2a1
9 36:53 1.975 0 +M500 Nd7e5 Qa2a1 Ne5xc4 Qa1a2 Nc4a5 Qa2a1 Na5xb3+
9 36:53 3.793 0 +M500 Nd7e5 Qa2a1 Ne5xc4 Qa1a2 Nc4a5 Qa2a1 Na5xb3+

FEN: 8/8/8/4N3/1pp5/brpp3p/qpprp2P/1nkbK3 b - - 0 1

Movei00_8_403:
1 38:35 4 0 +43.88 Qa2a1
2 38:35 20 0 +43.78 Qa2a1 Ne5xc4 Qa1a2
2 38:35 20 0 +43.78 Qa2a1 Ne5xc4 Qa1a2
3 38:35 82 0 +44.08 Qa2a1 Ne5xc4
3 38:35 103 0 +43.48 Qa2a1
3 38:35 103 0 +43.48 Qa2a1
4 38:35 113 0 +43.18 Qa2a1 Ne5xc4
4 38:35 118 0 +42.48 Qa2a1 Ne5xc4
4 38:35 139 0 -M500 Qa2a1 Ne5xc4 Qa1a2 Nc4a5 Qa2a1 Na5xb3+
4 38:35 139 0 -M500 Qa2a1 Ne5xc4 Qa1a2 Nc4a5 Qa2a1 Na5xb3+

position 7 movei has no idea

[D]1qk4K/Qp6/pBp5/P1P5/5pp1/8/5PP1/8 b - - 0 1

Movei00_8_403:
1 40:31 110 0 -1.18 Qb8e5+
2 40:31 341 0 -1.48 Qb8e5+
2 40:31 681 0 -1.49 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8 Qe5g5+ Kg8f8 Qg5f6+ Kf8e8 Qf6e6+ Ke8f8
2 40:31 684 0 -1.48 Qb8xa7
2 40:31 686 0 -1.41 Qb8xa7 Bb6xa7
2 40:31 707 0 -1.41 Qb8xa7 Bb6xa7
3 40:31 730 0 -1.17 Qb8xa7 Bb6xa7 Kc8d7
3 40:31 1.221 0 -1.17 Qb8xa7 Bb6xa7 Kc8d7
4 40:31 1.267 0 -1.26 Qb8xa7 Bb6xa7 f4f3 g2xf3 g4xf3
4 40:31 2.396 0 -1.26 Qb8xa7 Bb6xa7 f4f3 g2xf3 g4xf3
5 40:31 2.480 0 -1.26 Qb8xa7 Bb6xa7 f4f3 g2xf3 g4xf3
5 40:31 7.559 0 -1.26 Qb8xa7 Bb6xa7 f4f3 g2xf3 g4xf3
6 40:31 7.802 0 -1.56 Qb8xa7 Bb6xa7
6 40:31 8.237 0 -1.77 Qb8xa7 Bb6xa7 Kc8d7 Kh8g7 f4f3 g2xf3 g4xf3
6 40:31 24.578 0 -1.76 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8
6 40:31 26.539 0 -1.47 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8
6 40:31 52.619 0 -1.39 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8 Qe5g5+ Kg8h7 Qg5h5+ Kh7g7 Qh5g5+ Kg7f7 Qg5f5+ Kf7e7 Qf5e5+ Ke7f8
6 40:31 52.719 0 -1.39 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8 Qe5g5+ Kg8h7 Qg5h5+ Kh7g7 Qh5g5+ Kg7f7 Qg5f5+ Kf7e7 Qf5e5+ Ke7f8
7 40:31 53.852 0 -1.09 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8
7 40:31 55.021 0 -0.39 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8
7 40:31 96.799 0 0.00 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8 Qe5g5+ Kg8h7 Qg5h5+ Kh7g7 Qh5g5+ Kg7f7 Qg5f5+ Kf7e7 Qf5e5+ Ke7f7 Qe5f5+
7 40:31 97.614 0 0.00 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8 Qe5g5+ Kg8h7 Qg5h5+ Kh7g7 Qh5g5+ Kg7f7 Qg5f5+ Kf7e7 Qf5e5+ Ke7f7 Qe5f5+
8 40:31 227.532 0 0.00 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8 Qe5g5+ Kg8h7 Qg5h5+ Kh7g7 Qh5g5+ Kg7f7 Qg5f5+ Kf7e7 Qf5e5+ Ke7f7 Qe5f5+
8 40:31 229.681 0 0.00 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8 Qe5g5+ Kg8h7 Qg5h5+ Kh7g7 Qh5g5+ Kg7f7 Qg5f5+ Kf7e7 Qf5e5+ Ke7f7 Qe5f5+
9 40:32 582.353 0 0.00 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8 Qe5g5+ Kg8h7 Qg5h5+ Kh7g7 Qh5g5+ Kg7f7 Qg5f5+ Kf7e7 Qf5e5+ Ke7f7 Qe5f5+
9 40:32 589.105 0 0.00 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8 Qe5g5+ Kg8h7 Qg5h5+ Kh7g7 Qh5g5+ Kg7f7 Qg5f5+ Kf7e7 Qf5e5+ Ke7f7 Qe5f5+
10 40:34 1.729.455 0 0.00 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8 Qe5g5+ Kg8h7 Qg5h5+ Kh7g7 Qh5g5+ Kg7f7 Qg5f5+ Kf7e7 Qf5e5+ Ke7f7 Qe5f5+
10 40:34 1.750.287 0 0.00 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8 Qe5g5+ Kg8h7 Qg5h5+ Kh7g7 Qh5g5+ Kg7f7 Qg5f5+ Kf7e7 Qf5e5+ Ke7f7 Qe5f5+
11 40:46 7.673.549 0 0.00 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8 Qe5g5+ Kg8h7 Qg5h5+ Kh7g7 Qh5g5+ Kg7f7 Qg5f5+ Kf7e7 Qf5e5+ Ke7f7 Qe5f5+
11 40:46 7.734.862 0 0.00 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8 Qe5g5+ Kg8h7 Qg5h5+ Kh7g7 Qh5g5+ Kg7f7 Qg5f5+ Kf7e7 Qf5e5+ Ke7f7 Qe5f5+
12 41:40 35.419.871 0 0.00 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8 Qe5g5+ Kg8h7 Qg5h5+ Kh7g7 Qh5g5+ Kg7f7 Qg5f5+ Kf7e7 Qf5e5+ Ke7f7 Qe5f5+
12 41:41 35.601.853 0 0.00 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8 Qe5g5+ Kg8h7 Qg5h5+ Kh7g7 Qh5g5+ Kg7f7 Qg5f5+ Kf7e7 Qf5e5+ Ke7f7 Qe5f5+
13 45:12 142.780.635 0 0.00 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8 Qe5g5+ Kg8h7 Qg5h5+ Kh7g7 Qh5g5+ Kg7f7 Qg5f5+ Kf7e7 Qf5e5+ Ke7f7 Qe5f5+
13 45:13 143.339.561 0 0.00 Qb8e5+ Kh8g8 Qe5g5+ Kg8h7 Qg5h5+ Kh7g7 Qh5g5+ Kg7f7 Qg5f5+ Kf7e7 Qf5e5+ Ke7f7 Qe5f5+

position 8:movei is also fast in finding the mate

[D]5n2/B3K3/2p2Np1/4k3/7P/3bN1P1/2Prn1P1/1q6 w - - 0 1

Movei00_8_403:
1 46:33 1.332 0 0.00 Nf6g4+
2 46:33 1.337 0 -0.30 Nf6g4+
2 46:33 1.341 0 -1.00 Nf6g4+
2 46:33 1.453 0 -9.93 Nf6g4+ Ke5e4 c2xd3+ Ke4xd3 Ke7xf8 Ne2xg3
2 46:33 1.981 0 -9.93 Nf6g4+ Ke5e4 c2xd3+ Ke4xd3 Ke7xf8 Ne2xg3
3 46:33 2.062 0 -9.63 Nf6g4+ Ke5e4
3 46:33 2.403 0 -8.93 Nf6g4+ Ke5e4
3 46:33 2.440 0 0.00 Nf6g4+ Ke5e4 Ng4f6+ Ke4e5
3 46:33 2.827 0 0.00 Nf6g4+ Ke5e4 Ng4f6+ Ke4e5
4 46:33 2.873 0 -0.30 Nf6g4+ Ke5e4
4 46:33 2.918 0 -1.00 Nf6g4+ Ke5e4
4 46:33 2.962 0 0.00 Nf6g4+ Ke5e4 Ng4f6+ Ke4e5
4 46:33 3.354 0 0.00 Nf6g4+ Ke5e4 Ng4f6+ Ke4e5
5 46:33 3.465 0 0.00 Nf6g4+ Ke5e4 Ng4f6+ Ke4e5
5 46:33 4.244 0 +0.01 Ne3g4+ Ke5f5
5 46:33 4.264 0 +0.30 Ne3g4+ Ke5f5
5 46:33 4.819 0 +3.68 Ne3g4+ Ke5f5 Ng4h6+ Kf5e5 Nh6f7+ Ke5f5 Nf7d6+ Kf5e5 Nf6g4+ Ke5d5 c2c4+ Bd3xc4 Ng4e3+ Kd5e5 Nd6xc4+ Ke5e4 Nc4xd2+ Ke4e5 Nd2xb1
5 46:33 5.296 0 +3.68 Ne3g4+ Ke5f5 Ng4h6+ Kf5e5 Nh6f7+ Ke5f5 Nf7d6+ Kf5e5 Nf6g4+ Ke5d5 c2c4+ Bd3xc4 Ng4e3+ Kd5e5 Nd6xc4+ Ke5e4 Nc4xd2+ Ke4e5 Nd2xb1
6 46:33 5.551 0 +3.98 Ne3g4+ Ke5f5
6 46:33 17.759 0 +4.13 Ne3g4+ Ke5f5 Ng4h6+ Kf5e5 Nh6f7+ Ke5f5 Nf7d6+ Kf5e5 Nf6g4+ Ke5d5 c2c4+ Bd3xc4 Ng4e3+ Kd5e5 Nd6xc4+ Ke5e4 Nc4xd2+ Ke4d3 Nd2xb1 Ne2d4 Ba7xd4 Kd3xd4
6 46:33 19.338 0 +4.13 Ne3g4+ Ke5f5 Ng4h6+ Kf5e5 Nh6f7+ Ke5f5 Nf7d6+ Kf5e5 Nf6g4+ Ke5d5 c2c4+ Bd3xc4 Ng4e3+ Kd5e5 Nd6xc4+ Ke5e4 Nc4xd2+ Ke4d3 Nd2xb1 Ne2d4 Ba7xd4 Kd3xd4
7 46:33 54.037 0 +4.16 Ne3g4+ Ke5f5 Ng4h6+ Kf5e5 Nh6f7+ Ke5f5 Nf7d6+ Kf5e5 Nf6g4+ Ke5d5 Ng4e3+ Kd5e5 Nd6f7+ Ke5e4 Nf7g5+ Ke4e5 Ng5f3+ Ke5e4 Nf3xd2+ Ke4e5 Nd2xb1 Bd3xc2 Ne3xc2 Nf8e6 Ba7b8+ Ke5f5 Nc2e3+ Kf5e4 Ke7xe6 Ke4xe3
7 46:33 63.977 0 +4.16 Ne3g4+ Ke5f5 Ng4h6+ Kf5e5 Nh6f7+ Ke5f5 Nf7d6+ Kf5e5 Nf6g4+ Ke5d5 Ng4e3+ Kd5e5 Nd6f7+ Ke5e4 Nf7g5+ Ke4e5 Ng5f3+ Ke5e4 Nf3xd2+ Ke4e5 Nd2xb1 Bd3xc2 Ne3xc2 Nf8e6 Ba7b8+ Ke5f5 Nc2e3+ Kf5e4 Ke7xe6 Ke4xe3
8 46:33 66.982 0 +4.46 Ne3g4+ Ke5f5
8 46:33 126.451 0 +5.16 Ne3g4+ Ke5f5
8 46:33 183.949 0 +M500 Ne3g4+ Ke5f5 Ng4h6+ Kf5e5 Nh6f7+ Ke5f5 Nf7d6+ Kf5e5 Nf6g4+ Ke5d5 Ng4e3+ Kd5e5 Nd6f7+ Ke5e4 Nf7g5+ Ke4e5 Ng5f3+ Ke5e4 Nf3xd2+ Ke4e5 Nd2f3+ Ke5e4 Nf3g5+ Ke4e5 Ng5f7+ Ke5e4 Nf7d6+ Ke4e5 Ne3g4+ Ke5d5 Ng4f6+ Kd5e5 Nd6f7+ Ke5f5 Nf7h6+ Kf5e5 Nh6g4+ Ke5f5 Ng4e3+ Kf5e5 Nf6g4+ Ke5e4 Ng4f2+ Ke4e5 Nf2xd3+ Ke5e4 Nd3f2+ Ke4e5 Nf2g4+ Ke5e4 Ng4f6+ Ke4e5 Ne3g4+ Ke5f5 Ng4h6+ Kf5e5 Nh6f7+ Ke5f5 Nf7d6+ Kf5e5 Nf6g4+ Ke5d5 c2c4+
8 46:33 204.646 0 +M500 Ne3g4+ Ke5f5 Ng4h6+ Kf5e5 Nh6f7+ Ke5f5 Nf7d6+ Kf5e5 Nf6g4+ Ke5d5 Ng4e3+ Kd5e5 Nd6f7+ Ke5e4 Nf7g5+ Ke4e5 Ng5f3+ Ke5e4 Nf3xd2+ Ke4e5 Nd2f3+ Ke5e4 Nf3g5+ Ke4e5 Ng5f7+ Ke5e4 Nf7d6+ Ke4e5 Ne3g4+ Ke5d5 Ng4f6+ Kd5e5 Nd6f7+ Ke5f5 Nf7h6+ Kf5e5 Nh6g4+ Ke5f5 Ng4e3+ Kf5e5 Nf6g4+ Ke5e4 Ng4f2+ Ke4e5 Nf2xd3+ Ke5e4 Nd3f2+ Ke4e5 Nf2g4+ Ke5e4 Ng4f6+ Ke4e5 Ne3g4+ Ke5f5 Ng4h6+ Kf5e5 Nh6f7+ Ke5f5 Nf7d6+ Kf5e5 Nf6g4+ Ke5d5 c2c4+

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Re: Strelka: Justice in Reverse

Post by Thomas Mayer » Sun May 13, 2007 6:39 pm

Hi Eelco,
Eelco de Groot wrote:Hello Thomas,

Just a word of concern: if we could keep the discussions civil please. I think we basically all want the same and that is a fair review of a new,- and free!-, engine and a beginning author, and it is not helping anybody if we start accusing each other of knowing nothing about this hobby of ours.

Continuing in this fashion will probably mean that Graham as a moderator has to spend his Sunday again in editing all the Strelka threads and I think that would be a shame. Personally I think it is about time to end starting new threads about this, and stop repeating the same arguments without any new views, at least no new views that I can see in this matter.

Emotions are obvious on both "sides" and that only shows that we care about computerchess and basically about the same things.

Thank you very much,

Eelco
just to start with: I do not stand on any side - since Dann & Brian have said that it is no clone - it is no clone, period.

well, you miss two facts here: WHEN did I post these positions ? Well, friday evening. So clearly BEFOR they checked the engines. And WHEN did he answer ? On SUNDAY !!!! NOW since everything is clear, he starts to attack those which found strange things. Very brave, very clever...

Well and then his statement is fully wrong. Of course everything is the same except in one position where only the behaviour is equal. So if he doesn't understand that he better keeps silent.

It might be to complicate for Leto, but look at those too positions:

[D]8/3N4/8/8/1pp5/brpp4/qpprp3/1nkbK3 w - - 3 13

[D]8/3N4/8/8/1pp5/brpp3p/qpprp2P/1nkbK3 w - - 0 1

Nr ONE is not solved by either Rybka nor Strelka, so it's obvious that there is some problem with Zugzwang.
Nr TWO is solved by BOTH Rybka & Strelka, and that is really strange, because in fact it is the SAME Zugzwang problem, so far I only know engines which either solve BOTH or none of them. This IS exceptional. It has to do with null move verification and/or when to turn of null move. But of course that seems to be all to complicate for Mr. Atreides.

In fact, Mr. Atreides hadn't looked at ALL on my positions, instead he simply wrote a stupid posting because he was so happy that he could kick now on everybody who was suspicious. (Besides, a lot of programmers were suspicious and a lot of well known experts, but of course Mr. Atreides did know everything better from he beginning) So NOW please tell me how should I react on that, thank you.

That was my last posting on that idiocy. When you want to delete that, do it.

Greets, Thomas

P.S.: By the way, I think it is time to apologize for almost every programmer that get by accident on any clone list. Why ? Well, most sources were never checked, so according to Fernandos logic we should remove them IMMEDIATELY from the hall of shame and instead put them on the hall of fame. I have especially Patriot here in mind. But also La Grande, La Petite, Voyager, Lord King, Ocha, OldBlindDog, Siboney, Deep <9>, Azaad, Bionic, Capachess, Christine_T, Confess, Dick Skinner, Enano, Goofy, Gnd0 (Syed Kamall Basar), HardwareHarveyX55, Hydra, Kerostave, LuiZa, Moga, Monster, Nr5, Peter, Quaestor V (José F. Zenon), Rashess, Rocket, Rucsil, Sally6, Squash, Tec_Kika, Tommy, Tuxedo, Ultima & Wincraft - and of course some countless accused TSCP clones. It was never proven.

Vempele

Re: Strelka: Justice in Reverse

Post by Vempele » Sun May 13, 2007 7:37 pm

Thomas Mayer wrote:P.S.: By the way, I think it is time to apologize for almost every programmer that get by accident on any clone list. Why ? Well, most sources were never checked, so according to Fernandos logic we should remove them IMMEDIATELY from the hall of shame and instead put them on the hall of fame. I have especially Patriot here in mind. But also La Grande, La Petite, Voyager, Lord King, Ocha, OldBlindDog, Siboney, Deep <9>, Azaad, Bionic, Capachess, Christine_T, Confess, Dick Skinner, Enano, Goofy, Gnd0 (Syed Kamall Basar), HardwareHarveyX55, Hydra, Kerostave, LuiZa, Moga, Monster, Nr5, Peter, Quaestor V (José F. Zenon), Rashess, Rocket, Rucsil, Sally6, Squash, Tec_Kika, Tommy, Tuxedo, Ultima & Wincraft - and of course some countless accused TSCP clones. It was never proven.
Just what engine is Wincraft a clone of?
Dann Corbit (Winboard forum) wrote:I don't know where the 'Wincraft is a crafty clone' rumor started, but it has been perpeturated and is clearly, utterly, absurdly wrong.
If you don't know, you clearly need to apologize to at least one programmer. :P

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Re: Strelka: Justice in Reverse

Post by tvrzsky » Sun May 13, 2007 8:28 pm

Thomas Mayer wrote:Nr ONE is not solved by either Rybka nor Strelka, so it's obvious that there is some problem with Zugzwang.
Nr TWO is solved by BOTH Rybka & Strelka, and that is really strange, because in fact it is the SAME Zugzwang problem, so far I only know engines which either solve BOTH or none of them. This IS exceptional. It has to do with null move verification and/or when to turn of null move. But of course that seems to be all to complicate for Mr. Atreides.
Perhaps, actually it is Fritz who is real parent of both of them? :shock:
Sorry, but whole your analysis seems absolutely unsound to me.

[D]8/3N4/8/8/1pp5/brpp3p/qpprp2P/1nkbK3 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 8:

1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 14/14 00:00:00 3kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 16/16 00:00:00 8kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 16/16 00:00:00 8kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 16/16 00:00:00 8kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 16/16 00:00:00 8kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 17/17 00:00:00 10kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 17/17 00:00:00 10kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 17/17 00:00:00 10kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 17/17 00:00:00 10kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 18/18 00:00:00 14kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 18/18 00:00:00 14kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 18/18 00:00:00 14kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 18/18 00:00:00 14kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 18/18 00:00:00 14kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 18/18 00:00:00 14kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 19/19 00:00:00 19kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 20/20 00:00:00 27kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 21/21 00:00:00 35kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 22/22 00:00:00 48kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 23/23 00:00:00 63kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 24/24 00:00:00 86kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 25/25 00:00:00 110kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 26/26 00:00:00 142kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 27/27 00:00:00 186kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 28/28 00:00:00 254kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 29/29 00:00:00 326kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 30/30 00:00:00 423kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 31/31 00:00:00 556kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 32/32 00:00:00 755kN
1.Nf6!
+- (#16) Depth: 33/33 00:00:00 867kN
1.Nf6!
+- (#16) Depth: 33/33 00:00:00 934kN

(Tvrzský, MyTown 13.05.2007)


New game
[D]8/3N4/8/8/1pp5/brpp4/qpprp3/1nkbK3 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 8:

1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 14/14 00:00:00 3kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 15/15 00:00:00 6kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 15/15 00:00:00 6kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 15/15 00:00:00 6kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 15/15 00:00:00 6kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 15/15 00:00:00 6kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 15/15 00:00:00 6kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 16/16 00:00:00 9kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 16/16 00:00:00 9kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 16/16 00:00:00 9kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 16/16 00:00:00 9kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 16/16 00:00:00 9kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 16/16 00:00:00 9kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 18/18 00:00:00 16kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 18/18 00:00:00 16kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 19/19 00:00:00 22kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 20/20 00:00:00 32kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 21/21 00:00:00 41kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 22/22 00:00:00 56kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 23/23 00:00:00 74kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 24/24 00:00:00 99kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 25/25 00:00:00 126kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 26/26 00:00:00 162kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 27/27 00:00:00 212kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 28/28 00:00:00 286kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 29/29 00:00:00 371kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 30/30 00:00:00 487kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 31/31 00:00:00 652kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 32/32 00:00:00 900kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 33/33 00:00:00 1204kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 34/34 00:00:01 1629kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 35/35 00:00:01 2244kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 36/36 00:00:02 3162kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 37/37 00:00:03 4323kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 38/38 00:00:04 5970kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 39/39 00:00:06 8343kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 40/40 00:00:08 11785kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 41/41 00:00:12 16284kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 42/42 00:00:16 22601kN
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 43/43 00:00:23 31555kN, tb=1
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 44/44 00:00:32 44386kN, tb=4
1.Nf6 Qa1 2.Ne4 Qa2 3.Nf6
= (0.00) Depth: 45/45 00:00:46 61666kN, tb=12

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Re: Strelka: Justice in Reverse

Post by fern » Sun May 13, 2007 8:46 pm

Two things about your reasonning:
a) I did not attack you or anyone else about this. Just In case you are involving mes. I did say in several ways it is better NOT to advance a judgement UNTIL there are real probes about it.
b) to accept that protocole of behaviour, called caution and respect, does not means we must cheer the real clones that ever existed. I recall that several of those clones were discoverered after examination and the fact was duly told, but not neccesarily the cloning was advertised BEFORE the proof were at hand.
c) a third point: seems like you thought your examinations were good enough and then and so you considered right to cry wolf. But now you say Corbit and the other guy judgement is enough. So, then, at last, your proofs were not good enough. Isn't that another reason to keep silence about these issues UNTIL everything has been thouroughly examined?

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Re: Strelka: Justice in Reverse

Post by Thomas Mayer » Sun May 13, 2007 9:04 pm

Hi Fernando,
fern wrote:Two things about your reasonning:
a) I did not attack you or anyone else about this. Just In case you are involving mes. I did say in several ways it is better NOT to advance a judgement UNTIL there are real probes about it.
well, this was definitely not about you... you just said there were no proofs at all. Well, the number of similarities were high enough, in fact I can say that with other engines that were finally called clone there was less material available. I have for example Fafis here in mind.
It was Leto who ATTACKED me in fact. And THAT three days after my posting.
fern wrote:b) to accept that protocole of behaviour, called caution and respect, does not means we must cheer the real clones that ever existed. I recall that several of those clones were discoverered after examination and the fact was duly told, but not neccesarily the cloning was advertised BEFORE the proof were at hand.
tell me a real clone where it was finally proven. There weren't so many where the source code really was checked. Especially Patriot is now explainable, it's possible that he simply made the same mistakes or mimicri then Fruit. Why don't you fight for him as well ?
fern wrote:c) a third point: seems like you thought your examinations were good enough and then and so you considered right to cry wolf. But now you say Corbit and the other guy judgement is enough. So, then, at last, your proofs were not good enough. Isn't that another reason to keep silence about these issues UNTIL everything has been thouroughly examined?
you were asking for proofs. Well, I gave you some and added that I could give you thousands more if you pay me that time. Did you want that nobody answers to your posting ? I really do not understand that... Are you talking with yourself not wanting to be interrupted ?
Anyway: Yes, I thought that my and others examinations were good enough to be quite sure that it is a clone. They wasn't, thats a fact. If you look back you will see that I kept quite silent, only answering to questions like you did the last days before it was finally solved. Again, shouldn't I answer to your questions ? Keep silent ? Don't get your logic.

Well, what can we learn of all this: we must rethink our way to find clones, because the old methods don't work. Because it was called ashaming that Yuri was finally forced to give his source away for examination this is no option. But everything else can not prove anything so final conclusion is not to search for clones anymore. As clones then no longer produce such idiotic threads then this one maybe nobody is anymore interested in writing clones. What a wonderful world.

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Re: Strelka: Justice in Reverse

Post by fern » Mon May 14, 2007 12:21 am

Idiotic or not, I just tried to make a point: not to hurry with this.
Respect what you say about me not bearing but silence, well no. Not the full of what I have posted is aimed to you in anyway.
Examination of probable clones must be done anyway. Perhaps, this time, more cautiously.

Bite first, bark later regards
fernando.

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