Great Test Move.......any takers?

[rightrook]

[D]rnbqk2r/pp2npp1/4p3/3p3p/3P3Q/P2B4/2PBNPPP/R3K2R w KQkq - 0 1


None of my programs find....g4...!

Played by J. Polgar......1990.

[PauloSoare]

Robert, can you post the entire game here? It´s hard for
our engines, I am curious about the continuation.

Thanks,

Paulo Soares

[rightrook]

1.e2-e4 e7-e6 2.d2-d4 d7-d5 3.Nb1-c3 Bf8-b4 4.e4-e5 c7-c5 5.a2-a3 Bb4xc3+ 6.b2xc3 Ng8-e7 7.Qd1-g4 Qd8-c7 8.Bf1-d3 c5xd4 9.Ng1-e2 Qc7xe5 10.Bc1-f4 Qe5-f6 11.Bf4-g5 Qf6-e5 12.c3xd4 h7-h5 13.Qg4-h4 Qe5-c7 14.Bg5-f4 Qc7-a5+ 15.Bf4-d2 Qa5-d8 16.g2-g4 e6-e5 17.d4xe5 Bc8xg4 18.Rh1-g1 Qd8-d7 19.f2-f3 Bg4-e6 20.Ne2-d4 Nb8-c6 21.Nd4xc6 Ne7xc6 22.Rg1xg7 Qd7-c7 23.f3-f4 Nc6xe5 24.f4xe5 Qc7xe5+ 25.Ke1-f2 Qe5xg7 26.Ra1-g1 Qg7-b2 27.Bd2-b4 f7-f6 28.Rg1-e1 0-0-0 29.Re1xe6 Kc8-b8...etc.


Hi...Hope this helps!

Black eventually lost on time.....

Polgar vrs knaak...1990

BTW, my old WChess found move 19....f3...!

regards

Robert

I really doubt any computer will try to open the G file (move 16) for an attack on the king side..etc.

[Marc MP]

[D]rnbqk2r/pp2npp1/4p3/3p3p/3P3Q/P2B4/2PBNPPP/R3K2R w KQkq - 0 1


None of my programs find....g4...!

Played by J. Polgar......1990.

Hmm... On my PIV 2.4 Chess Tiger 2007.1 prefers to castle with a balanced evaluation:

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00:16:32.4	0,12	21	571326343	O-O b6 Qg5 Kf8 Rfe1 Nec6 Qxd8+ Nxd8 Bf4 Nbc6 Bd6+ Kg8 h3 Nb7 Bh2 Bd7 Ba6 Nbd8 Bb5 

Strelka 1.0 Beta castles too:

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18	12:15	 549.419.959	747.510	+0,12	e1g1 b8c6 h4g3 e8g8 d2h6 e7g6 d3g6 f7g6 g3g6 d8f6 g6f6 f8f6 h6g5 f6f5 h2h4 c8d7 a1b1 b7b6 e2g3 f5f8 f1d1

When I force 1. g4, Chess Tiger 2007.1 thinks white gets into trouble:

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; 00:11:50.1  1.   Score: -0,74   depth: 25 g4 b6 Qg5 g6 Qe5 Rh7 gxh5 Nbc6 Qg3 Rxh5 Bg5 Bb7 c3 Qd7 Nf4 Rh7 O-O Qd6 Rfe1 Kd7 Rab1 Nf5 Bxf5 

[PauloSoare]

Thanks by the game.
Until the move 18… Qd7 it is equal to Deep Fritz 10 Book, also 16.g4.
The move 9… Qxe5 is considered bad in the book. 19. f3 is the first
move out of the book.
I don´t know if the teory consider anothers moves instead
16.g4, but the programs don´t like it.

Paulo Soares

[rightrook]

>>> but the programs don´t like it.<<<<

Yes, I know..that why it is a good test move...

Computers (as yet) can not "make a plan" to open the g file for an attack and later play..Rg1..etc.

Maybe someday they will...
Thanks for trying anyway...

regards

Robert

[Terry McCracken]

>>> but the programs don´t like it.<<<<

Yes, I know..that why it is a good test move...

Computers (as yet) can not "make a plan" to open the g file for an attack and later play..Rg1..etc.

Maybe someday they will...
Thanks for trying anyway...

regards

Robert

That's what people often don't see, computers can't plan anything, and when it looks like they have, it's all based in search or rulebases et al.

Indeed, computers can't play chess in the fullest sense!

They are tactical monsters, which don't tire, with knowledge built in.

They simulate chess, not perfectly, but well enough to beat a GM when he or she slips up on some tactic.

0110 Regards,
Terry

[rightrook]

>>>They are tactical monsters, which don't tire, with knowledge built in<<<.

Amen! You can say that again...

No wonder I can never win..!