Page 2 of 3

Re: Opteron versus Xeon

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:59 pm
by CRoberson
It would not be a nanoprocessor. A 16 nanometer "process"
(not processor) doesn't mean the cpu is 16 nanometers in size.

Think about it; you can easily see the cpu in your computer without
a microscope.

Re: Opteron versus Xeon

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:21 pm
by Dan Honeycutt
CRoberson wrote:It would not be a nanoprocessor. A 16 nanometer "process"
(not processor) doesn't mean the cpu is 16 nanometers in size.

Think about it; you can easily see the cpu in your computer without
a microscope.
So you would only need a magnifying glass to see a microprocessor.

Best
Dan H.

Re: Opteron versus Xeon

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:42 pm
by smirobth
Dan Honeycutt wrote:
CRoberson wrote:It would not be a nanoprocessor. A 16 nanometer "process"
(not processor) doesn't mean the cpu is 16 nanometers in size.

Think about it; you can easily see the cpu in your computer without
a microscope.
So you would only need a magnifying glass to see a microprocessor.

Best
Dan H.
Not just a magnifying glass .... you need a microscope to see a microprocessor. :lol:

Re: Opteron versus Xeon

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:44 pm
by Terry McCracken
CRoberson wrote:It would not be a nanoprocessor. A 16 nanometer "process"
(not processor) doesn't mean the cpu is 16 nanometers in size.

Think about it; you can easily see the cpu in your computer without
a microscope.
You didn't read what I wrote. I said a true nanoprocessor would use a 1 nanometer process, not 16.

Try and view the circuits without a microscope, you can't! We're not talking about the size of the die, or the overall size of the chip, but rather the size of a single logic gate.

By your reasoning microprocessors are not microprocessors as you can view the chip!

Think About It!

Re: Opteron versus Xeon

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:58 pm
by Dan Honeycutt
smirobth wrote:
Dan Honeycutt wrote:
CRoberson wrote:It would not be a nanoprocessor. A 16 nanometer "process"
(not processor) doesn't mean the cpu is 16 nanometers in size.

Think about it; you can easily see the cpu in your computer without
a microscope.
So you would only need a magnifying glass to see a microprocessor.

Best
Dan H.
Not just a magnifying glass .... you need a microscope to see a microprocessor. :lol:
I was just going by what Charles said. If you need a microscope to see a nanoprocessor I figured the microprocessor wouldn't require more than a magnifying glass. Now, if what you say is right then Charles is wrong and you'll need a nanoscope to see the nanoprocessor.

Best
Dan H.

Re: Opteron versus Xeon

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:18 am
by Terry McCracken
Dan Honeycutt wrote:
smirobth wrote:
Dan Honeycutt wrote:
CRoberson wrote:It would not be a nanoprocessor. A 16 nanometer "process"
(not processor) doesn't mean the cpu is 16 nanometers in size.

Think about it; you can easily see the cpu in your computer without
a microscope.
So you would only need a magnifying glass to see a microprocessor.

Best
Dan H.
Not just a magnifying glass .... you need a microscope to see a microprocessor. :lol:
I was just going by what Charles said. If you need a microscope to see a nanoprocessor I figured the microprocessor wouldn't require more than a magnifying glass. Now, if what you say is right then Charles is wrong and you'll need a nanoscope to see the nanoprocessor.

Best
Dan H.
:lol: One Nanoscope in the making :wink:

Nano Nano Regards,
Robin Williams

Re: Opteron versus Xeon

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:43 am
by Dirt
Terry McCracken wrote: :lol: One Nanoscope in the making :wink:

Nano Nano Regards,
Robin Williams
I think nanoscope really would make a good generic name for the STM and all of its cousins.

The first microprocessor, the Intel 4004, had a feature size of ten microns, so a sixteen nanometer processor would be getting close to one thousandth the size.

Re: Opteron versus Xeon

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:24 am
by bob
Terry McCracken wrote:
CRoberson wrote:It would not be a nanoprocessor. A 16 nanometer "process"
(not processor) doesn't mean the cpu is 16 nanometers in size.

Think about it; you can easily see the cpu in your computer without
a microscope.
You didn't read what I wrote. I said a true nanoprocessor would use a 1 nanometer process, not 16.

Try and view the circuits without a microscope, you can't! We're not talking about the size of the die, or the overall size of the chip, but rather the size of a single logic gate.

By your reasoning microprocessors are not microprocessors as you can view the chip!

Think About It!
None of this matters as you can't make a gate with 2 atoms, so it's a moot point...

feature-size is not going _that_ small.

Re: Opteron versus Xeon

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:15 am
by Terry McCracken
bob wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
CRoberson wrote:It would not be a nanoprocessor. A 16 nanometer "process"
(not processor) doesn't mean the cpu is 16 nanometers in size.

Think about it; you can easily see the cpu in your computer without
a microscope.
You didn't read what I wrote. I said a true nanoprocessor would use a 1 nanometer process, not 16.

Try and view the circuits without a microscope, you can't! We're not talking about the size of the die, or the overall size of the chip, but rather the size of a single logic gate.

By your reasoning microprocessors are not microprocessors as you can view the chip!

Think About It!
None of this matters as you can't make a gate with 2 atoms, so it's a moot point...

feature-size is not going _that_ small.
AFAIK it's already been done with experimental logic gates, some the size of a few molecules, and some the size of a single atom.

Do you think microchip technology is the end of computing? We haven't yet begun!

Re: Opteron versus Xeon

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:36 pm
by M ANSARI
The biggest problem with die shrinking is voltage leakage. I think Intel has found a cure for that for the moment and 45nm seems good and maybe the next shrink after that. But voltage leakage might end up making any further die shrinks very difficult and thus another technological solution to the problem is needed.