Checkers Solved - Chess around year 2060-2070!
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:02 am
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You can read more hear, it's been the buzz all day!James Constance wrote:http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070716/ ... 16-13.html
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3997The big difference is the number of positions possible in each game: 1020 for checkers and 1040 for chess. To get some idea of this, if a computer could solve checkers completely in one nanosecond (a single cycle of a 1 GHz computer), it would take this computer 3000 years to solve chess.
It may or may not be pointless to speculate, but it's a safe bet you won't be around to see if it comes to pass that far off in the future.dj wrote:It is completely pointless to speculate about what might or might not happen between 2060-2070.
Today's ChessBase article stresses the differences between checkers and chess, including:http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3997The big difference is the number of positions possible in each game: 1020 for checkers and 1040 for chess. To get some idea of this, if a computer could solve checkers completely in one nanosecond (a single cycle of a 1 GHz computer), it would take this computer 3000 years to solve chess.
that 2060 stuff shows such an incredible lack of comprehension that it really doesn't deserve a comment at all. It is a ridiculous statement. Only down-side is that I doubt I will live long enough for the idiocy of that statement to be proven. I'm almost 60 now. I'd need to live past 120 to see that fallacy put to rest...James Constance wrote:http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070716/ ... 16-13.html
Robert..Never say Never! I think throwing out a number like that was irresponsibly stupid as well, but we don't know when or exactly how chess will be solved. However, I do believe it's possible with the right technology and methods.bob wrote:that 2060 stuff shows such an incredible lack of comprehension that it really doesn't deserve a comment at all. It is a ridiculous statement. Only down-side is that I doubt I will live long enough for the idiocy of that statement to be proven. I'm almost 60 now. I'd need to live past 120 to see that fallacy put to rest...James Constance wrote:http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070716/ ... 16-13.html
chess won't be solved by 2060. Or even 2160.
One standard of considering a game "solved" is that an optimal move, in the sense never converting a won position into a draw or a draw into a loss, can be determined for every reachable position. This standard has not been achieved in checkers. They have "only" shown that with best possible play the result is a draw.bob wrote:that 2060 stuff shows such an incredible lack of comprehension that it really doesn't deserve a comment at all. It is a ridiculous statement. Only down-side is that I doubt I will live long enough for the idiocy of that statement to be proven. I'm almost 60 now. I'd need to live past 120 to see that fallacy put to rest...James Constance wrote:http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070716/ ... 16-13.html
chess won't be solved by 2060. Or even 2160.
A quantum computer/s will be needed. How long it will take will still require time. How much time is not known.Leto wrote:A quantum computer would solve chess in seconds, no? So all it would take is to build a quantum computer, is that going to take 60 years? I don't think so, I would think we'd have a quantum computer sooner than that.
The good news is that in 60 years I'd be only 84 years old.
Simply not possible with any conceivable approach. More chess positions than atoms in the universe, by a _large_ margin. Even using quantum states to store multiple bits per atom would not be possible as there are not enough states.Terry McCracken wrote:Robert..Never say Never! I think throwing out a number like that was irresponsibly stupid as well, but we don't know when or exactly how chess will be solved. However, I do believe it's possible with the right technology and methods.bob wrote:that 2060 stuff shows such an incredible lack of comprehension that it really doesn't deserve a comment at all. It is a ridiculous statement. Only down-side is that I doubt I will live long enough for the idiocy of that statement to be proven. I'm almost 60 now. I'd need to live past 120 to see that fallacy put to rest...James Constance wrote:http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070716/ ... 16-13.html
chess won't be solved by 2060. Or even 2160.
Terry