illegal moveDann Corbit wrote:Analysis from c:\epd\tough.epd
Analyzing engine: Hiarcs11.2SPUCI
8/11/2007 12:26:19 AM Level: 720 Seconds
11) Ra4xa8 g7-g8N
It seems that hiarcs tried to solve the previous position here.
Moderators: hgm, Rebel, chrisw
illegal moveDann Corbit wrote:Analysis from c:\epd\tough.epd
Analyzing engine: Hiarcs11.2SPUCI
8/11/2007 12:26:19 AM Level: 720 Seconds
11) Ra4xa8 g7-g8N
The scores appear to be similar. Hiarcs also waffled between those two moves:Uri Blass wrote:There are many mistakes in the test positions.
Here is another mistake:
The following solution is not the only solution and Rbd1 wins the game.
Note that you need to change
fputs("less_reduce 0",evalfile); to
fputs("less_reduce 1",evalfile); in order to get stronger movei
It is possible to get this personality also by changes files
movei_changes438.ini
that include
less_reduce 1
Here is analysis by this personality of movei
r1b1r1k1/p2q1p1p/np2np2/3p1N1Q/8/6PB/P4P1P/1R2R1K1 w - - 0 2 bm Qh6;
New game
[D]r1b1r1k1/p2q1p1p/np2np2/3p1N1Q/8/6PB/P4P1P/1R2R1K1 w - - 0 1
Analysis by Movei00_8_438:
1.Bh3-g2
-+ (-2.57) Depth: 1 00:00:00
1.Bh3-g2 Bc8-b7
-+ (-2.82) Depth: 2 00:00:00
1.Nf5-h6+
-+ (-2.81) Depth: 2 00:00:00
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 2.Nh6-f5
-+ (-2.55) Depth: 2 00:00:00
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 2.Nh6-f5
-+ (-2.55) Depth: 2 00:00:00
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 2.Nh6-g4 Ne6-g7
-+ (-2.59) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 2.Nh6-g4 Ne6-g7
-+ (-2.59) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 2.Nh6-f5 Qd7-a4 3.Nf5-d6
-+ (-2.55) Depth: 4 00:00:00
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 2.Nh6-f5 Qd7-a4 3.Nf5-d6
-+ (-2.55) Depth: 4 00:00:00
1.Nf5-h6+
-+ (-2.25) Depth: 5 00:00:00
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-g7 2.Bh3-f5 Kg7-f8 3.Qh5-g4 Kf8-e7
-+ (-2.28) Depth: 5 00:00:00
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-g7 2.Bh3-f5 Kg7-f8 3.Qh5-g4 Kf8-e7
-+ (-2.28) Depth: 5 00:00:00
1.Nf5-h6+
-+ (-1.98) Depth: 6 00:00:00 36kN
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-g7 2.Bh3-f5 Re8-h8 3.Qh5-h4 Na6-c5 4.Rb1-b4
-+ (-1.89) Depth: 6 00:00:00 48kN
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-g7 2.Bh3-f5 Re8-h8 3.Qh5-h4 Na6-c5 4.Rb1-b4
-+ (-1.89) Depth: 6 00:00:00 56kN
1.Nf5-h6+
-+ (-1.59) Depth: 7 00:00:00 88kN
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-h8 2.Nh6xf7+ Kh8-g7 3.Nf7-d6 Qd7xd6 4.Qh5xe8 Na6-c7 5.Qe8-h5
µ (-1.13) Depth: 7 00:00:00 117kN
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-h8 2.Nh6xf7+ Kh8-g7 3.Nf7-d6 Qd7xd6 4.Qh5xe8 Na6-c7 5.Qe8-h5
µ (-1.13) Depth: 7 00:00:01 138kN
1.Nf5-h6+
-+ (-1.43) Depth: 8 00:00:01 280kN
1.Nf5-h6+
µ (-0.83) Depth: 8 00:00:01 307kN
1.Nf5-h6+
µ (-0.83) Depth: 8 00:00:02 340kN
1.Nf5-h6+
³ (-0.53) Depth: 9 00:00:02 522kN
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 2.Nh6-f5 h7-h6 3.Qh5xh6+ Kf8-g8 4.Qh6xf6 Na6-c5 5.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 6.Nh6-f5 Kf8-g8
= (0.00) Depth: 9 00:00:02 734kN
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 2.Nh6-f5 h7-h6 3.Qh5xh6+ Kf8-g8 4.Qh6xf6 Na6-c5 5.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 6.Nh6-f5 Kf8-g8
= (0.00) Depth: 9 00:00:04 801kN
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 2.Nh6-f5 Kf8-g8
= (0.00) Depth: 10 00:00:04 1026kN
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 2.Nh6-f5 Kf8-g8
= (0.00) Depth: 10 00:00:06 1162kN
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 2.Nh6-f5 Kf8-g8
= (0.00) Depth: 11 00:00:06 1621kN
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 2.Nh6-f5 Kf8-g8
= (0.00) Depth: 11 00:00:07 1966kN
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 2.Nh6-f5 Kf8-g8
= (0.00) Depth: 12 00:00:08 2870kN
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 2.Nh6-f5 Kf8-g8
= (0.00) Depth: 12 00:00:14 5490kN
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 2.Nh6-f5 Kf8-g8
= (0.00) Depth: 13 00:00:20 7803kN
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 2.Nh6-f5 Kf8-g8
= (0.00) Depth: 13 00:01:02 23462kN
1.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 2.Nh6-f5 Kf8-g8
= (0.00) Depth: 14 00:01:14 28132kN
1.Rb1-d1
= (0.01) Depth: 14 00:03:23 76439kN
1.Rb1-d1
² (0.30) Depth: 14 00:04:10 93609kN
1.Rb1-d1 Qd7-a4 2.Qh5-h6 Na6-c7 3.Qh6xf6 Qa4-d7
+- (2.95) Depth: 14 00:08:56 186925kN
1.Rb1-d1 Qd7-a4 2.Qh5-h6 Na6-c7 3.Qh6xf6 Qa4-d7
+- (2.95) Depth: 14 00:08:58 187726kN
1.Rb1-d1
+- (3.25) Depth: 15 00:10:21 214375kN
1.Rb1-d1 Na6-c5 2.Qh5-h6 Re8-d8 3.Qh6xf6 Qd7-c7 4.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 5.Qf6-h8+ Kf8-e7 6.Nh6-f5+ Ke7-d7 7.Rd1xd5+ Kd7-c6 8.Rd5xd8 Ne6xd8 9.Bh3-g2+ Kc6-b5 10.Qh8-b2+ Kb5-a4 11.Qb2-c2+ Ka4-a5 12.Bg2xa8 Bc8-b7 13.Qc2-d2+ Ka5-a6 14.Ba8xb7+ Nd8xb7
+- (3.38) Depth: 15 00:12:01 247276kN
1.Rb1-d1 Na6-c5 2.Qh5-h6 Re8-d8 3.Qh6xf6 Qd7-c7 4.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-f8 5.Qf6-h8+ Kf8-e7 6.Nh6-f5+ Ke7-d7 7.Rd1xd5+ Kd7-c6 8.Rd5xd8 Ne6xd8 9.Bh3-g2+ Kc6-b5 10.Qh8-b2+ Kb5-a4 11.Qb2-c2+ Ka4-a5 12.Bg2xa8 Bc8-b7 13.Qc2-d2+ Ka5-a6 14.Ba8xb7+ Nd8xb7
+- (3.38) Depth: 15 00:12:14 252730kN
1.Rb1-d1
+- (3.68) Depth: 16 00:14:22 295162kN
1.Rb1-d1 Na6-c5 2.Qh5-h6 Qd7-c7 3.Qh6xf6 Re8-d8
+- (3.72) Depth: 16 00:16:23 335895kN
1.Rb1-d1 Na6-c5 2.Qh5-h6 Qd7-c7 3.Qh6xf6 Re8-d8
+- (3.72) Depth: 16 00:16:53 348681kN
1.Rb1-d1
+- (4.02) Depth: 17 00:21:30 442898kN
1.Rb1-d1 Ne6-f8 2.Nf5-h6+ Kg8-g7 3.Bh3xd7 Bc8xd7 4.Re1xe8 Ra8xe8 5.Qh5xf7+ Kg7xh6 6.Rd1xd5 Re8-e1+ 7.Kg1-g2 Bd7-c6 8.Qf7xf6+ Nf8-g6 9.Qf6xc6 Na6-b4 10.Qc6-c3 Nb4xd5 11.Qc3xe1 Kh6-g7
+- (4.25) Depth: 17 00:27:43 588857kN
(, 14.08.2007)
There are also quite a few positions where Hiarcs chose the suggested position and retained it for quite a while but then discarded it for something better.Uri Blass wrote:There are many mistakes in the test positions.
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Dann Corbit wrote:There are also quite a few positions where Hiarcs chose the suggested position and retained it for quite a while but then discarded it for something better.Uri Blass wrote:There are many mistakes in the test positions.
{snip}
There are also positions for which Hiarcs never found the key move but had a high, positive score.
In any case, it is a very interesting test set.
I am puzzled by the first position, because it seems so obvious:
[D]8/6p1/P1b1pp2/2p1p3/1k4P1/3PP3/1PK5/5B2 w - - bm Bg2;
Clearly, if black takes white's bishop, then white can promote the pawn to queen with ease. So black must advance his king to B5. It seems that this does not prevent queening either, and so I am mystified that computer programs can't see it. I guess that there might be a very good defense that I did not think about and that is why some programs never choose this obvious move.
Here is the sequence that Hiarcs thought after a good long think:Uri Blass wrote:Dann Corbit wrote:There are also quite a few positions where Hiarcs chose the suggested position and retained it for quite a while but then discarded it for something better.Uri Blass wrote:There are many mistakes in the test positions.
{snip}
There are also positions for which Hiarcs never found the key move but had a high, positive score.
In any case, it is a very interesting test set.
I am puzzled by the first position, because it seems so obvious:
[D]8/6p1/P1b1pp2/2p1p3/1k4P1/3PP3/1PK5/5B2 w - - bm Bg2;
Clearly, if black takes white's bishop, then white can promote the pawn to queen with ease. So black must advance his king to B5. It seems that this does not prevent queening either, and so I am mystified that computer programs can't see it. I guess that there might be a very good defense that I did not think about and that is why some programs never choose this obvious move.
The problem is that black can capture the queen,
1.Bg2 Bxg2 2.e4 f5 3.a7? fxe4 4.a8Q exd3+ and Bxa8 next move is what you probably miss
white needs to play 3.gxf5 exf5 4.a7 fxe4 5.d4 e3 6.dxe5 to win when one of the pawns is unstoppable
Uri
Code: Select all
1) Bg2;
Searching move: Bf1-g2
Best move (Hiarcs11.2SPUCI): Bf1-g2
identical moves! Found in: 15:18
11/22 00:01 248.343 428.917 +0.51 a6a7 f6f5 Kc2c1 Kb4b5 Bf1g2 e5e4
12/24- 00:02 569.362 498.565 +0.26 a6a7
12/24 00:02 676.239 514.641 +0.02 a6a7 e5e4 g4g5 e4xd3+ Bf1xd3 f6xg5
13/25 00:03 1.260.842 527.107 -0.07 a6a7 e5e4 g4g5 Kb4a5 g5xf6 g7xf6 d3xe4 Ka5b6 Bf1c4 Kb6xa7 Bc4xe6 Bc6xe4+ Kc2d2 Ka7b6
14/27 00:04 2.114.928 541.317 -0.26 a6a7 e5e4 d3xe4 Bc6xe4+ Bf1d3 Be4c6
15/27 00:06 3.092.811 539.287 -0.27 a6a7 e5e4 d3xe4 Bc6xe4+ Bf1d3 Be4c6 b2b3 Kb4a5 Bd3c4 Ka5b6 Bc4xe6 Kb6xa7 Kc2d3 Ka7b6 Kd3c4 Bc6e4
16/30 00:09 4.801.329 560.640 -0.33 a6a7 e5e4 d3xe4 Bc6xe4+ Bf1d3 Be4c6 Bd3a6 Kb4a5 Ba6c8 Ka5b6 Kc2c3 Kb6xa7 Bc8xe6 Ka7b6 Kc3d3 Kb6b5 Be6c4+ Kb5b4
17/30 00:14 7.397.644 551.117 -0.30 a6a7 e5e4 d3xe4 Bc6xe4+ Kc2d2 Kb4a5 Bf1c4 Ka5b6 Bc4xe6 Kb6xa7 Be6f5 Be4c6 Kd2d3 Bc6b5+ Kd3e4 Bb5c4 Bf5g6 Ka7b6
18/32 00:19 10.706.361 563.937 -0.32 a6a7 e5e4 d3xe4 Bc6xe4+ Bf1d3 Be4c6 Bd3a6 Kb4a5 Ba6c8 Ka5b6 Bc8xe6 Kb6xa7 Kc2d3 Ka7b6 Kd3c4 Bc6f3 Be6d7
19/35 00:34 18.607.479 552.085 -0.43 a6a7 e5e4 d3xe4 Bc6xe4+ Kc2d2 Kb4a5 Bf1c4 Ka5b6 Bc4xe6 Kb6xa7 Be6f5 Be4g2 g4g5 f6xg5 e3e4 Ka7b6 e4e5 Kb6c6 e5e6 Kc6d6 Kd2e3
20/41 00:59 30.965.329 527.617 -0.43 a6a7 e5e4 d3xe4 Bc6xe4+ Kc2d2 Kb4a5 Bf1c4 Ka5b6 Bc4xe6 Kb6xa7 Be6f5 Be4g2 g4g5 f6xg5 e3e4 Ka7b6 e4e5 Kb6c6 Kd2e3 Kc6d5 e5e6
21/41 01:55 54.661.764 478.695 -0.24 a6a7 e5e4 d3xe4 Bc6xe4+ Bf1d3 Be4c6 Bd3a6 Kb4a5 Ba6c8 Ka5b6 Bc8xe6 Kb6xa7 Kc2d3 Ka7b7 g4g5
22/41 02:51 81.602.995 479.264 -0.20 a6a7 e5e4 d3xe4 Bc6xe4+ Bf1d3 Be4c6 Bd3g6 Kb4a5 Kc2d3 Ka5b6 Bg6f7 Kb6xa7 Bf7xe6 Ka7b6 g4g5 f6xg5 e3e4 Bc6b5+ Kd3e3 Kb6c7 e4e5 Bb5c6 Ke3d3
23/47 07:06 186.468.135 438.231 -0.19 a6a7 e5e4 g4g5 f6f5 g5g6 e4xd3+ Bf1xd3 c5c4
24/48 10:24 285.260.611 457.640 -0.19 a6a7 e5e4 g4g5 f6f5 Kc2d2 e4xd3 Bf1xd3 Kb4a5
24/53 15:18 414.089.194 451.269 -0.18 Bf1g2
24/53+ 16:57 452.116.915 444.620 +0.05 Bf1g2
24/53 23:45 615.900.565 432.457 +2.98 Bf1g2 Bc6xg2 e3e4 f6f5 g4xf5 e6xf5 a6a7 f5xe4 d3d4 e5xd4 a7a8Q d4d3+ Kc2c1 Bg2f3 Qa8b7+ Kb4a5 Qb7xg7 Ka5b5 b2b3 Kb5c6 Qg7e5
25/53+ 30:44 758.640.673 411.417 +3.23 Bf1g2
25/53 31:14 771.147.274 411.690 +3.23 Bf1g2 Bc6xg2 e3e4 f6f5 g4xf5 e6xf5 a6a7 f5xe4 d3d4 e5xd4 a7a8Q d4d3+ Kc2c1 Bg2f3 Qa8b7+ Kb4a5 Qb7xg7 Ka5b5 Qg7d7+ Kb5b4 Kc1d2
26/53+ 45:49 1.059.168.120 385.346 +3.48 Bf1g2
26/53 1:02:27 1.449.745.166 386.930 +3.85 Bf1g2 Bc6xg2 e3e4 f6f5 g4xf5 e6xf5 a6a7 f5xe4 d3d4 e5xd4 a7a8Q d4d3+ Kc2c1 Bg2f3 Qa8b7+ Kb4a5 Qb7c7+ Ka5b4 Kc1d2 g7g6 b2b3
27/54 1:38:56 2.181.029,829 367.464 +4.09 Bf1g2 Bc6xg2 e3e4 f6f5 g4xf5 e6xf5 a6a7 f5xe4 d3d4 e5xd4 a7a8Q d4d3+ Kc2c1 Bg2f3 Qa8b7+ Kb4a5 Qb7xg7 Ka5b5 Qg7d7+ Kb5a5 Kc1d2 Ka5b4 Qd7b7+
8/14/2007 1:17:34 AM, Time for this analysis: 02:00:00, Rated time: 15:18