Two knights endgame

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Jack Lad
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Two knights endgame

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[d] 6k1/8/8/1N3p2/6K1/6N1/8/8 w
I had this interesting position against me today. White could have won in 55 moves with Kf4! but foolishly just took the pawn instead which draws.
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Re: Two knights endgame

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Can you mate the black king with two knights :shock: :?:
The position is already draw no matter what you play....
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According Tablebase this is a win in 55 moves because the black pawn avoid the tricks based on pat.
So as you said Kf4 is correct but I'm not sure a human can play this perfectly
Terry McCracken

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Can you mate the black king with two knights :shock: :?:
The position is already draw no matter what you play....
No, you're wrong, White can win if the pawn remains on the board, as it prevents White from stalemating the Black King.

This is well known. Well, among chessplayers.
Terry McCracken

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Patatov wrote:According Tablebase this is a win in 55 moves because the black pawn avoid the tricks based on pat.
So as you said Kf4 is correct but I'm not sure a human can play this perfectly
This is an old theme. If your technique is good, you'll win.
Terry McCracken

Re: Two knights endgame

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Jack Lad wrote:[d] 6k1/8/8/1N3p2/6K1/6N1/8/8 w
I had this interesting position against me today. White could have won in 55 moves with Kf4! but foolishly just took the pawn instead which draws.
Can I ask you why you took the pawn? :wink:
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Re: Two knights endgame

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Terry McCracken wrote:Can I ask you why you took the pawn? :wink:
I was black and I had just played f5+ hoping white would just take it which he foolishly did. :)

[d] 1N6/8/p7/8/4kN2/8/K7/8 w
Here white can win in 155 moves with Ne2! which is the longest win possible with these pieces. 8-)
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Re: Two knights endgame

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The Troitzky line. :)
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Jack Lad wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:Can I ask you why you took the pawn? :wink:
I was black and I had just played f5+ hoping white would just take it which he foolishly did. :)

[d] 1N6/8/p7/8/4kN2/8/K7/8 w
Here white can win in 155 moves with Ne2! which is the longest win possible with these pieces. 8-)
My mistake, I didn't read your post carefully. I re-read it, it's clear you were Black.

My this is a long one. I doubt I could be so exact :wink:
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Re: Two knights endgame

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Can you mate the black king with two knights :shock: :?:
The position is already draw no matter what you play....
No it isn't... KNN vs KP is a win for the KNN in many positions. In the given position, Kf4 is a mate in 55 as follows:

1. Kf4! Kf7 2. Nd4! Ke7! 3. Ke5! f4! 4. Ngf5+! Kd7! 5. Nf3! Kc6!
6. Kd4! Kb5! 7. Ne7! Kb4 8. Nc6+! Kb5! 9. Kd5! Ka6 10. Ncd4! Kb7!
11. Nb5! Kb6! 12. Nd6! Kc7! 13. Nc4! Kd7! 14. Nb6+! Kc7! 15. Kc5!
Kb7! 16. Nd5! Ka6 17. Nc7+ Kb7! 18. Nb5! Kc8! 19. Kc6! Kd8! 20. Nbd4!
Ke7! 21. Kc7! Kf7! 22. Kd6! Ke8! 23. Nc6! Kf8! 24. Ke5 Kf7! 25. Kf5!
Kf8! 26. Kf6! Ke8! 27. Ke6! Kf8 28. Nd8 Kg8! 29. Nf7 Kg7! 30. Nd6!
Kg6! 31. Ke5! Kg7! 32. Kf5! Kh7! 33. Kf6! Kh6! 34. Nf7+ Kh5 35. N7e5!
Kh6 36. Kf7 Kh5! 37. Ke7 Kh6 38. Kf6! Kh5! 39. Kf5! Kh6 40. Nd7!
Kg7! 41. Ke6! Kg8! 42. Ke7! Kh8! 43. Kf7! Kh7 44. Nf8+ Kh6! 45. Kf6!
Kh5 46. Kf5! Kh6 47. Ne6! Kh5! 48. Ng7+! Kh6 49. Kf6! Kh7 50. Nf5!
Kg8! 51. Ke7! Kh7 52. Kf7! Kh8 53. Ng5! f3 54. Ne7 f2 55. Ng6#