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Strongest Fruit - what's the verdict?

Post by Eraserheads » Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:32 am

Can somebody tell me which of the many Fruit versions is proven to be the strongest?

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Re: Strongest Fruit - what's the verdict?

Post by Ryan Benitez » Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:50 am

Right now there are many versions out that are very close in play level. A new release that is clearly better than the others is not far off though.

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Re: Strongest Fruit - what's the verdict?

Post by AGove » Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:12 am

Right now there are many versions out that are very close in play level.
What was the point of releasing many versions that are very close in playing level? Apart from generating still unanswered questions as to which is the strongest, overloading testers' schedules, crowding the ratings lists, and so on.

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Re: Strongest Fruit - what's the verdict?

Post by mclane » Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:29 am

What was the point of releasing many versions
to get them tested?

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Re: Strongest Fruit - what's the verdict?

Post by Ryan Benitez » Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:32 am

I did not release all of the versions. The ones I did release was to give people more options. I don't consider best engine vs. engine play to always mean most fun. Also there are Toga's that are close in play level and I have nothing to do that them. Notice that there are more Toga versions than Fruit versions on the ratings lists. For me it does not matter, if people want a better version it does not hurt me to give it out, otherwise it does no harm to me to let it collect dust. I never forced anyone to use or test Fruit so over crowding the ratings lists is not my problem.

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Re: Strongest Fruit - what's the verdict?

Post by swami » Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:57 am

Ryan Benitez wrote:I did not release all of the versions. The ones I did release was to give people more options. I don't consider best engine vs. engine play to always mean most fun. Also there are Toga's that are close in play level and I have nothing to do that them. Notice that there are more Toga versions than Fruit versions on the ratings lists. For me it does not matter, if people want a better version it does not hurt me to give it out, otherwise it does no harm to me to let it collect dust. I never forced anyone to use or test Fruit so over crowding the ratings lists is not my problem.
Good Point :D

Yes, Computer chess members always want more versions! only few don't I guess.

By the way how's chess64 work going?

Regards.

IgorGorelikov

Re: Strongest Fruit - what's the verdict?

Post by IgorGorelikov » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:19 am

Eraserheads wrote:Can somebody tell me which of the many Fruit versions is proven to be the strongest?
By my tests it's Fruit 05/11/03 HD1-2 UCI

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Change  Place Program                     Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws
in Places

 0     1 Fruit 05/11/03 HD1-2 UCI       : 2839   36  35   204    57.4 %   2787   45.1 %
 0     2 Toga II 1.3x4 BH UCI           : 2815   29  29   305    53.9 %   2788   46.2 %
 0     3 Toga II 1.2.1 BH UCI           : 2809   22  22   514    56.3 %   2765   46.1 %
 0     4 Fruit 2.3 UCI                  : 2805   39  39   180    52.8 %   2786   41.1 %
 0     5 Spike 1.2 Turin                : 2799   25  25   440    55.6 %   2760   41.1 %
 0     6 Strelka 1.8 UCI                : 2793   40  39   190    53.2 %   2771   36.8 %
+1     7 Rybka 1.0 Beta UCI             : 2772   23  23   567    53.2 %   2750   34.4 %
-1     8 Toga II 1.2 BH UCI             : 2771   23  23   503    51.7 %   2759   43.3 %
 0     9 Gambit Fruit 1.0 Beta 4b UCI   : 2758   22  22   579    51.5 %   2747   38.7 %
 0    10 Toga II 1.0 UCI                : 2740   22  22   612    51.2 %   2731   35.1 %
+1    11 Fruit 2.1 UCI                  : 2722   23  23   543    49.8 %   2724   40.7 %
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Re: Strongest Fruit - what's the verdict?

Post by Andrew » Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:22 pm

Thanks Igor, this is interesting! I'm playing 2.3.1 at the moment vs
Rybka 2.3.2a in some 720' games and fruit has won 1 and drawn 2!

However the options screen is too tall, does anyone know how to make
the whole thing appear properly? (this is under XP)

Andrew

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Re: Strongest Fruit - what's the verdict?

Post by Eelco de Groot » Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:12 pm

Andrew wrote:Thanks Igor, this is interesting! I'm playing 2.3.1 at the moment vs
Rybka 2.3.2a in some 720' games and fruit has won 1 and drawn 2!

However the options screen is too tall, does anyone know how to make
the whole thing appear properly? (this is under XP)

Andrew
Hello Andrew that depends a little on what interface, GUI you are using I think. As far as I know ChessPartner is the only one with a scroll down menu for the UCI options and I have seen no problems there. The new Shredder interface has three columns I was told by Stefan, but now that Shredder 11 is delayed a bit, maybe Stefan could take a look whether that is still enough and whether a scroll down menu would maybe be possible? I hope maybe Stefan Meyer-Kahlen reads here...

By the way I can't quite figure out what is Fruit 05/11/03 HD 1-2 exactly for version? Does it have to do with History Depths?

Regards, Eelco

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Re: Strongest Fruit - what's the verdict?

Post by IgorGorelikov » Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:19 pm

Eelco de Groot wrote: By the way I can't quite figure out what is Fruit 05/11/03 HD 1-2 exactly for version? Does it have to do with History Depths?

Regards, Eelco
It's Fruit 05/11/03 with "History Depth 1" set to 2 (default=1)

Regards,
Igor

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