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Father versus Fruit 2.3.5h Marzo 16 2008. Holy Week Sunday

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:36 am
by Father
Hello Chess Community. Have a nice year.

Is it possible to win a Top machine in a Sunday, in Holy Week?
Yes. It is.

It is possible to win against a machine than can calculate over 8 millions positions each second.

And....How many games have played in this oportunitie the man and the top machine about you wa talking ? One in total

Then, the man, could be retired yet, and be a champion over the machine.

With best respect, my first experience against this machine.

Father
PABLO IGNACIO RESTREPO




Fruit 2.3.5h Test Beta x64 24.8 ply; 8,354kNs Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Extreme CPU X9650 @ 3.00GHz 4739MHz, (4 threads)


[Event "Rated game, 3m + 0s"]
[Site "Engine Room"]
[Date "2008.03.16"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Father"]
[Black "EL-SHADDAI"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D00"]
[WhiteElo "2062"]
[BlackElo "2659"]
[Annotator "Restrepo,Pablo Ignacio"]
[PlyCount "463"]
[EventDate "2008.03.16"]
[BlackTeam "Fruit 2.3.5h Test Beta x64 24.8 ply; 8,354kNs"]
[TimeControl "180"]

1. d4 {3} Nf6 {B/0 0} 2. e3 {1} d5 {B/0 0} 3. c3 {1} g6 {B/0 0} 4. f4 {4} Nc6 {
B/0 0} 5. Nf3 {1} Bf5 {B/0 0} 6. Bd3 {1} Qd7 {B/0 0} 7. O-O {1} Bxd3 {B/0 0} 8.
Qxd3 {1} Bg7 {B/0 0} 9. Re1 {1} Qf5 {B/0 0} 10. Qe2 {1} Ne4 {B/0 0} 11. Nbd2 {1
} h6 {B/0 0} 12. Nxe4 {1} dxe4 {B/0 0} 13. Nd2 {1} O-O-O {B/0 0} 14. g3 {1} Qe6
{B/0 0} 15. Nf1 {1} h5 {-0.41/16 5} 16. h4 {2} Nb8 {-0.33/16 4} 17. Qc2 {
(Nd2) 1} Nd7 {-0.40/16 5} 18. Re2 {(Qg2) 1} Nf6 {-0.57/15 5} 19. Rg2 {(b4) 2}
Ng4 {-0.62/16 9} 20. Nh2 {2} Nh6 {-0.62/17 2} 21. Nf1 {1} Nf5 {-0.78/17 3} 22.
Bd2 {(Qb3) 10} Rhf8 {-0.78/15 8} 23. Be1 {(Qa4) 1} Kb8 {-0.72/15 4} 24. a3 {
(Qb3) 2} c5 {-0.69/14 7} 25. Qe2 {(dxc5) 1} Rc8 {-1.20/16 4} 26. Rd1 {2} Rfd8 {
-1.30/17 1} 27. Kh1 {(dxc5) 1} Rd7 {-1.33/16 6} 28. Kg1 {(dxc5) 0} Rd6 {
-1.28/16 4} 29. Rd2 {(dxc5) 3} Bf6 {-1.36/16 6} 30. Kh1 {(Rd1) 1} Qd5 {
-1.50/15 5} 31. Kg1 {(dxc5) 1} c4 {-1.36/15 3} 32. Rc2 {(Rd1) 2} Ra6 {
-1.25/15 5} 33. Rc1 {2} Rb6 {-1.19/15 1} 34. Rc2 {(Qc2) 1} e6 {-1.25/15 4} 35.
Kh2 {(Rc1) 3} Rb5 {-1.64/16 3} 36. Kg1 {(Nd2) 1} Be7 {-1.59/16 4} 37. Kh2 {
(Nd2) 0} Rc6 {-1.62/16 3} 38. Kg1 {(Nd2) 0} Bf6 {-1.55/16 5} 39. Kh2 {(Nh2) 1}
Rcb6 {-1.59/16 3} 40. Kg1 {1} Ra5 {-1.57/16 1} 41. Kh2 {(Rc1) 1} Qc6 {
-1.59/17 4} 42. Kg1 {(Nd2) 0} Rbb5 {-1.55/14 3} 43. Kh2 {(Bf2) 1} Ra6 {
-1.54/16 3} 44. Kg1 {0} Kc8 {-1.51/16 2} 45. Kh2 {(Nd2) 1} Qd5 {-1.55/16 3} 46.
Kg1 {1} Raa5 {-1.46/16 3} 47. Kh2 {(Nd2) 0} Rb6 {-1.54/16 3} 48. Kg1 {0} Be7 {
-1.51/15 2} 49. Kh2 {(Nd2) 0} Kb8 {-1.55/15 2} 50. Kg1 {0} Rbb5 {-1.51/15 1}
51. Kh2 {(Nd2) 0} Ra6 {-1.58/17 2} 52. Kg1 {0} Rc6 {-1.56/17 1} 53. Kh2 {
(Bf2) 0} Bf6 {-1.59/15 2} 54. Kg1 {(Kh1) 0} Bd8 {-1.54/15 2} 55. Kh2 {(Rc1) 0}
Rbb6 {-1.56/15 1} 56. Kg1 {(Nd2) 0} Be7 {-1.50/16 2} 57. Kh2 {(Bf2) 0} Bd6 {
-1.55/15 2} 58. Kg1 {(Nd2) 0} Rc8 {-1.49/15 2} 59. Kh2 {(Bf2) 0} Rb5 {
-1.59/14 1} 60. Kg1 {0} Bf8 {-1.51/15 0} 61. Kh2 {(Rc1) 0} Be7 {-1.55/15 2} 62.
Kg1 {(Kh1) 0} a6 {-1.54/15 2} 63. Kh2 {(Bf2) 1} Bf6 {-1.56/14 1} 64. Kg1 {0}
Rc6 {-1.47/14 0} 65. Kh2 {(Nd2) 0} Rcb6 {-1.55/15 2} 66. Kg1 {0} Ra5 {
-1.44/15 0} 67. Kh2 {(Nd2) 0} Rc6 {-1.51/14 1} 68. Kg1 {(Nd2) 0} Nd6 {
-1.41/15 2} 69. Kh2 {(Nd2) 0} Rb5 {-1.49/16 2} 70. Kg1 {0} Be7 {-1.45/16 0} 71.
Kh2 {(Nh2) 1} Rcb6 {-1.55/15 1} 72. Kg1 {1} Qc6 {-1.36/16 0} 73. Kh2 {(Nh2) 1}
Nf5 {-1.55/14 1} 74. Kg1 {1} Ra5 {-1.42/16 0} 75. Kh2 {(Nd2) 1} Bf6 {-1.44/14 1
} 76. Kg1 {0} Qb5 {-1.31/15 0} 77. Kh2 {(Rc1) 1} Qa4 {-1.55/14 0} 78. Kh1 {
(Rc1) 2} Rab5 {-1.63/13 0} 79. Kh2 {(Bf2) 0} Bd8 {-1.59/13 1} 80. Kh1 {(Bf2) 0}
Be7 {-1.53/13 1} 81. Kh2 {(Bf2) 0} Bd6 {-1.55/13 1} 82. Kh1 {0} Ra5 {-1.55/14 0
} 83. Kg1 {0} Be7 {-1.49/16 0} 84. Kh1 {(Rc1) 0} Nd6 {-1.49/13 1} 85. Kg1 {
(Qd2) 0} Rab5 {-1.44/14 1} 86. Kh1 {(Qd2) 0} Bf6 {-1.44/13 1} 87. Kg1 {0} Bd8 {
-1.41/15 0} 88. Kh1 {(Qd2) 0} Be7 {-1.43/14 1} 89. Kg1 {1} Kc8 {-1.41/15 1} 90.
Kh1 {(Qd2) 1} Nf5 {-1.43/14 1} 91. Kg1 {1} Kc7 {-1.48/15 0} 92. Kh2 {(Qd2) 1}
Kb8 {-1.52/13 0} 93. Kh1 {0} Ka7 {-1.51/14 0} 94. Kh2 {(g4) 1} Bf6 {-1.52/13 0}
95. Kh1 {1} Ka8 {-1.42/15 0} 96. Kh2 {(Kg1) 0} Kb8 {-1.53/13 0} 97. Kh1 {0} Kc8
{-1.46/14 0} 98. Kh2 {(Kg1) 0} Bg7 {-1.44/12 0} 99. Kh1 {0} Kb8 {-1.46/15 0}
100. Kh2 {(Bf2) 0} Bf8 {-1.47/12 0} 101. Kh1 {0} Ka7 {-1.36/14 0} 102. Kh2 {
(Kg1) 0} Bd6 {-1.44/13 0} 103. Kh1 {0} Ra5 {-1.29/14 1} 104. Kg1 {(Bf2) 0} Be7
{-1.47/13 0} 105. Kh1 {(Rc1) 0} Kb8 {-1.50/14 0} 106. Kg1 {(Rc1) 0} Kc7 {
-1.41/13 0} 107. Kh1 {(Rc1) 0} Kc8 {-1.37/12 0} 108. Kg1 {(Rc1) 0} Bf6 {
-1.40/12 0} 109. Kh1 {(Rc1) 0} Kc7 {-1.41/12 0} 110. Kg1 {0} Rab5 {-1.14/15 0}
111. Kh1 {(g4) 1} a5 {-1.47/12 0} 112. Kg1 {(Bf2) 1} Kb8 {-1.44/12 0} 113. Kh1
{(Bf2) 0} Be7 {-1.49/11 0} 114. Kg1 {0} Nd6 {-1.34/15 0} 115. Kh1 {(Qd2) 1} Bd8
{-1.36/12 0} 116. Kg1 {0} Kc8 {-1.28/15 0} 117. Kh1 {(Qd2) 0} Bf6 {-1.44/11 0}
118. Kg1 {0} Be7 {-1.21/16 0} 119. Kh1 {(Qd2) 0} Kb8 {-1.42/11 0} 120. Kg1 {
(Kh2) 0} Bd8 {-1.32/12 0} 121. Kh1 {(Nh2) 0} Nf5 {-1.35/11 0} 122. Kg1 {1} Kc8
{-1.20/15 0} 123. Kh1 {(g4) 0} Kc7 {-1.41/10 0} 124. Kg1 {0} Nd6 {-1.19/15 0}
125. Kh1 {(Qd2) 0} Bf6 {-1.41/12 0} 126. Kg1 {(Kh2) 0} Be7 {-1.23/11 0} 127.
Kh1 {(Qd2) 0} Nf5 {-1.37/10 0} 128. Kg1 {1} Qb3 {-1.13/14 0} 129. Kh1 {(Qd1) 1}
Kb8 {-1.48/10 0} 130. Kg1 {0} Bf6 {-1.24/15 0} 131. Kh1 {(Rd2) 1} Rd6 {
-1.45/9 0} 132. Kg1 {0} Qa4 {-1.12/14 0} 133. Kh1 {(Rc1) 0} Rd8 {-1.38/9 0}
134. Kh2 {(Rc1) 0} Rb6 {-1.62/8 0} 135. Kh1 {(Kg1) 0} Rc8 {-1.63/7 0} 136. Kh2
{(Rc1) 0} Rbc6 {-1.67/9 0} 137. Kh1 {(Kg1) 0} R8c7 {-1.42/9 0} 138. Kh2 {
(Rc1) 0} Rd7 {-1.60/7 0} 139. Kh1 {(Kg1) 0} Rc8 {-1.41/9 0} 140. Kh2 {(Rc1) 0}
Qb3 {-1.57/9 0} 141. Kh1 {(Kg1) 1} Rd5 {-1.56/8 0} 142. Kh2 {(Kg1) 0} Be7 {
-1.56/7 0} 143. Kh1 {(Kg1) 1} Rc6 {-1.57/7 0} 144. Kh2 {(Kg1) 0} Rd8 {-1.51/8 0
} 145. Kh1 {(Kg1) 0} Bf6 {-1.50/8 0} 146. Kh2 {(Kg1) 0} Ra6 {-1.55/8 0} 147.
Kh1 {(Kg1) 0} Rd5 {-2.02/1 0} 148. Kh2 {(Kg1) 0} Rc6 {-2.09/1 0} 149. Kh1 {
(Kg1) 0} Rc7 {-2.07/1 0} 150. Kh2 {(Kg1) 0} Rc8 {-2.15/1 0} 151. Kh1 {(Kg1) 0}
Rcd8 {-2.11/1 0} 152. Kh2 {(Kg1) 0} Qb5 {-2.12/1 0} 153. Kh1 {(Kg1) 0} Qa4 {
-2.06/1 0} 154. Kh2 {(Kg1) 1} Qc6 {-2.15/1 0} 155. Kh1 {(Kg1) 0} Re8 {-1.94/1 0
} 156. Kh2 {(Nd2) 0} Qc7 {-2.13/1 0} 157. Kh1 {(Kg1) 0} Red8 {-1.90/1 0} 158.
Kg1 {(Nd2) 0} Rf8 {-1.77/1 0} 159. Kh1 {(Nd2) 1} Re8 {-1.93/1 0} 160. Kg1 {
(Nd2) 1} Red8 {-1.79/1 0} 161. Kh1 {(Nd2) 3} b6 {-1.80/1 0} 162. Kg1 {(Nd2) 1}
Qc6 {-1.72/1 0} 163. Kh1 {(Nd2) 0} Qa4 {-1.94/1 0} 164. Kg1 {1} R5d7 {
-0.85/15 0} 165. Kh1 {(Rc1) 0} Rc8 {-1.87/1 0} 166. Kg1 {0} Qc6 {-0.94/14 0}
167. Kh1 {(Rc1) 1} Qd5 {-1.96/1 0} 168. Kg1 {(Nd2) 0} Re8 {-1.83/1 0} 169. Kh2
{(Nd2) 0} Rc7 {-2.14/1 0} 170. Kg1 {0} Ka7 {-1.04/14 0} 171. Kh2 {(Nd2) 0} Kb7
{-2.07/1 0} 172. Kg1 {0} Kb8 {-0.97/14 0} 173. Kh2 {(Rc1) 0} Rd7 {-2.14/1 0}
174. Kg1 {0} a4 {-0.99/14 0} 175. Kh2 {(Rc1) 1} Rc8 {-2.03/1 0} 176. Kg1 {0}
Ra7 {-0.99/15 0} 177. Kh2 {(Rc1) 0} Rac7 {-1.93/1 0} 178. Kg1 {0} Kb7 {0} 179.
Kh2 {(Rc1) -0.97/15 0} Rd7 {-1.96/1 0} 180. Kg1 {0} Rd6 {-0.97/15 0} 181. Kh2 {
(Rc1) 0} Kb8 {0} 182. Kg1 {-1.92/1 0} b5 {-0.92/14 0} 183. Kh2 {(Bf2) 1} Rd7 {
-1.73/1 0} 184. Kg1 {0} Kc7 {-0.98/15 0} 185. Kh2 {(Rc1) 0} Kb7 {-1.66/1 0}
186. Kg1 {0} Kb8 {-0.91/14 0} 187. Kh2 {(Rc1) 1} Re8 {-1.70/1 0} 188. Kg1 {0}
Kc7 {-1.00/18 0} 189. Kh2 {(Bf2) 1} Kb7 {-1.63/1 0} 190. Kg1 {0} Kc8 {
-1.01/18 0} 191. Kh2 {(Bf2) 0} Kd8 {0} 192. Kg1 {-1.59/1 0} Ke7 {-1.01/15 0}
193. Kh2 {(Bf2) 1} Kf8 {-1.92/1 0} 194. Kg1 {0} Rc7 {-1.02/14 0} 195. Kh2 {
(Rc1) 0} Kg8 {-2.08/1 0} 196. Kg1 {0} Rd8 {-1.02/14 0} 197. Kh2 {(Rc1) 0} Rb8 {
-2.06/1 0} 198. Kg1 {0} Ra8 {-1.02/15 0} 199. Kh2 {(Bf2) 0} Rd8 {-2.08/1 0}
200. Kg1 {0} Rcd7 {-1.02/15 0} 201. Kh2 {(Bf2) 0} Rc8 {-2.11/1 0} 202. Kg1 {0}
Kf8 {-1.02/14 0} 203. Rh2 {(Rc1) 1} Kg7 {-1.98/1 0} 204. Qf2 {(Rh3) 1} Kg8 {
-2.23/1 0} 205. Kh1 {(Rh3) 1} Re8 {-2.06/1 0} 206. Kg1 {(Nd2) 1} Rc7 {-2.20/1 0
} 207. Kh1 {(Rh3) 0} Rd8 {-2.05/1 0} 208. Kg1 {(Nd2) 0} Rb8 {-2.18/1 0} 209.
Kh1 {(Rh3) 0} Re8 {-2.06/1 0} 210. Kg1 {(Nd2) 0} Rd8 {-2.20/1 0} 211. Kh1 {
(Rh3) 1} Rb8 {-2.03/1 0} 212. Kg1 {(Nd2) 1} Rd7 {-2.17/1 0} 213. Kh1 {(Rh3) 1}
Rc8 {-2.08/1 0} 214. Kg1 {(Nd2) 0} Re8 {-2.19/1 0} 215. Kh1 {(Rh3) 0} Rb8 {
-2.03/1 0} 216. Kg1 {(Nd2) 0} Ra8 {-2.16/1 0} 217. Rg2 {(Rh3) 0} Rc7 {-1.91/1 0
} 218. Kh2 {(Nd2) 0} Re8 {-2.23/1 0} 219. Kg1 {0} Kh8 {-1.10/14 0} 220. Kh2 {
(Qe2) 1} Kg7 {-2.15/1 0} 221. Kg1 {0} Rd7 {-1.11/14 0} 222. Kh2 {(Qe2) 0} Kg8 {
-2.23/1 0} 223. Kg1 {0} Red8 {-1.04/14 0} 224. Kh2 {(Qe2) 1} Rc8 {-2.26/1 0}
225. Qe2 {(Kg1) 0} Re8 {-2.07/1 0} 226. Kg1 {0} Kg7 {-1.01/15 0} 227. Kh2 {
(Rc1) 1} Rc8 {-2.02/1 0} 228. Kg1 {0} Rdd8 {-0.97/14 0} 229. Kh1 {(Rc1) 1} Rc7
{-1.79/1 0} 230. Kh2 {(Nd2) 0} Re8 {-2.00/1 0} 231. Kh3 {(Kg1) 1} Kg8 {
-2.52/1 0} 232. Kh2 {Time (Lag: Av=0.78s, max=2.2s) 2} 1-0

Re: Father versus Fruit 2.3.5h Marzo 16 2008. Holy Week Sund

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:46 am
by Father
...sorry....I was thinking in some like speed or similar, forgeting the possitions topic.

If I should be thinking in positions I would have wrotten it yet.....

then...

[D]4r1k1/2r2p2/4pbp1/1p1q1n1p/p1pPpP1P/P1P1P1P1/1PR1Q1RK/4BN2 b - - 0 232

Re: Father versus Fruit 2.3.5h Marzo 16 2008. Holy Week Sund

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:11 pm
by NJDenson
Well, you did win but machine goes back and make adjustment for the next time. If i can get Ryan off of his new adventure and fix endgame bug with a pinch of Anti Chess fix for you .... fruit will be a slippery bananna ..... aka a super strong program. Its my belief if the endgame problem is fixed fruit could be the top engine out.

Re: Father versus Fruit 2.3.5h Marzo 16 2008. Holy Week Sund

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:27 pm
by MirceaH
Hi Nolan,

You are very right! I think you live several blocks from Ryan so you could convince him better...

Regards,
Mircea

Re: Father versus Fruit 2.3.5h Marzo 16 2008. Holy Week Sund

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:39 pm
by Uri
I believe this game could be drawn had Fruit "thought" or played faster. All the time the program thought it was winning but white had in fact a solid pawn structure. Black probably wouldn't have succeeded in breaking white's strong pawn chain b2 c3 d4.

Re: Father versus Fruit 2.3.5h Marzo 16 2008. Holy Week Sund

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:08 pm
by skoony
hi zlatnik,
this is just a simple parlor trick.
everyonce in a while you get a locked position and just shuffle pieces.
the programs analysis does'nt get it.
a human would just stop the clock and request the arbritrator
the declare the draw.
the machine does'nt know how to do it.
after another hundred games or so he'll have another one of these so called wins.
regards
mike

Re: Father versus Fruit 2.3.5h Marzo 16 2008. Holy Week Sund

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:45 pm
by Dr.Wael Deeb
skoony wrote:hi zlatnik,
this is just a simple parlor trick.
everyonce in a while you get a locked position and just shuffle pieces.
the programs analysis does'nt get it.
a human would just stop the clock and request the arbritrator
the declare the draw.
the machine does'nt know how to do it.
after another hundred games or so he'll have another one of these so called wins.
regards
mike
Ultra well said Mike,but this particular human keeps showing his stupid "wins"....

Re: Father versus Fruit 2.3.5h Marzo 16 2008. Holy Week Sund

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:21 pm
by Nimzovik
Hmmmmmmm...... Again it MUST be stated :roll: . Pablo has indeed repeatedly demonstrated a rather GLARING weakness of computer chess. Yes this game would be a draw and yes I am sure a bit of code could induce the program to declare a draw.... Truly the diagrammed position is to most chess artists ...irretievably ugly. Note however that ugly is a word that Tarrasch employed in regard to Nimzovich's moves as well.........Hmmm again! Pablo's chess is bizzarre but the results (of drawing grand master programs) is undeniable. Pablo's art may be as reprehensible to us as the cubists were to the classicists artwork. :shock: :lol: :!: --

Re: Father versus Fruit 2.3.5h Marzo 16 2008. Holy Week Sund

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:35 pm
by Dr.Wael Deeb
Nimzovik wrote:Hmmmmmmm...... Again it MUST be stated :roll: . Pablo has indeed repeatedly demonstrated a rather GLARING weakness of computer chess. Yes this game would be a draw and yes I am sure a bit of code could induce the program to declare a draw.... Truly the diagrammed position is to most chess artists ...irretievably ugly. Note however that ugly is a word that Tarrasch employed in regard to Nimzovich's moves as well.........Hmmm again! Pablo's chess is bizzarre but the results (of drawing grand master programs) is undeniable. Pablo's art may be as reprehensible to us as the cubists were to the classicists artwork. :shock: :lol: :!: --
You must be kidding,right :?:
If he plays his games using an average nowadays PC directly,meaning not taking advantage of the buggy playchess server,he will get his wins when you get the chance to play Anand for the world tilte....

Re: Father versus Fruit 2.3.5h Marzo 16 2008. Holy Week Sund

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:35 pm
by playjunior
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
skoony wrote:hi zlatnik,
this is just a simple parlor trick.
everyonce in a while you get a locked position and just shuffle pieces.
the programs analysis does'nt get it.
a human would just stop the clock and request the arbritrator
the declare the draw.
the machine does'nt know how to do it.
after another hundred games or so he'll have another one of these so called wins.
regards
mike
Ultra well said Mike,but this particular human keeps showing his stupid "wins"....
Even worse-if he plays offline he is never gonna win; he uses this some pre-move+lag trick to flag the comp.
Edit: According to FIDE rules, you cannot REQUEST a draw in such a position. There is 50 move rule for that. I can shuffle my pieces for 49 moves, make you short of time, and then push a pawn.