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Handicap match: Rybka 3 and GM Dzindzidashvili started!

Post by Albert Silver » Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:52 pm

Hi all,

The handicap match between Rybka 3 and GM Roman Dzindzidashvili has started. The time control is 30 mins and 20 seconds per move. Rybka plays black in all games and in each game removes one of its pawns. The games can be seen in the broadcast room at PlayChess (I couldn't find it at the Chess Assistant Club site, as in the past).

Albert

[Event "Handicap Match"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.07.28"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Dzindzichashvili, Roman"]
[Black "Rybka 3"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/ppppp1pp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "35"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Bb7 5. Bg2 Bb4+ 6. Bd2 Qe7 7. O-O O-O 8. Bf4 Nc6 9. a3 Bd6 10. e3 Rab8 11. Nc3 Na5 12. Nd2 Bxf4 13. gxf4 Bxg2 14. Kxg2 c5 15. d5 Qf7 16. dxe6 dxe6 17. Qe2 Qg6+ 18. Kh1 Rbd8 19. Nf3 Ne4 *
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Re: Handicap match: Rybka 3 and GM Dzindzidashvili started!

Post by AdminX » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:23 pm

Its a Draw! :wink:
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Re: Handicap match: Rybka 3 and GM Dzindzidashvili started!

Post by Albert Silver » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:46 pm

AdminX wrote:Its a Draw! :wink:
Yep. Here is the full PGN:

[Event "Handicap Match"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.07.28"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Dzindzichashvili, Roman"]
[Black "Rybka 3"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/ppppp1pp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "74"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Bb7 5. Bg2 Bb4+ 6. Bd2 Qe7 7. O-O O-O 8. Bf4 Nc6 9. a3 Bd6 10. e3 Rab8 11. Nc3 Na5 12. Nd2 Bxf4 13. gxf4 Bxg2 14. Kxg2 c5 15. d5 Qf7 16. dxe6 dxe6 17. Qe2 Qg6+ 18. Kh1 Rbd8 19. Nf3 Ne4 20. Ne5 Nxc3 21. Nxg6 Nxe2 22. Nxf8 Kxf8 23. Rad1 Rxd1 24. Rxd1 Nb3 25. Rd7 Na5 26. Rxa7 Nxc4 27. b4 cxb4 28. axb4 Nc3 29. Rc7 b5 30. Rc5 Ke7 31. Kg2 h6 32. h4 Kd6 33. Kg1 Ne2+ 34. Kf1 Nc3 35. Kg1 Kd7 36. Kg2 Kd6 37. Kg1 Ne2+ 1/2-1/2
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Re: Handicap match: Rybka 3 and GM Dzindzidashvili started!

Post by AdminX » Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:08 pm

"The Christmas in July Game", would be a fitting title for game 2.

[d]2r1br1k/pp2p1bp/3pP1p1/2pP1P2/1nP1Q1P1/1P2B2P/q2NBRK1/1R6 w - - 0 25
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Re: Handicap match: Rybka 3 and GM Dzindzidashvili started!

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:01 pm

AdminX wrote:"The Christmas in July Game", would be a fitting title for game 2.

[d]2r1br1k/pp2p1bp/3pP1p1/2pP1P2/1nP1Q1P1/1P2B2P/q2NBRK1/1R6 w - - 0 25
The poor GM has tried a "father" alike style of playing ,but :?
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Re: Handicap match: Rybka 3 and GM Dzindzidashvili started!

Post by Albert Silver » Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:12 pm

AdminX wrote:"The Christmas in July Game", would be a fitting title for game 2.

[d]2r1br1k/pp2p1bp/3pP1p1/2pP1P2/1nP1Q1P1/1P2B2P/q2NBRK1/1R6 w - - 0 25
Yes, he missed his chance in this position. Twice actually, since 25.Bg5 here, or 26.Bg5 a move later were very strong.

Analysis by Rybka 3 32-bit :

25.Rbf1 gxf5 26.gxf5 Rg8 27.Kh1 Bc3 28.Bd1 Bf6 29.Rg2
= (0.17) Depth: 11 00:00:07 224kN
25.Rbf1 Qb2 26.Bg5 gxf5 27.Qb1 Qxb1 28.Nxb1 Rc7 29.Rxf5 Rg8 30.Nd2 Bg6 31.R5f3 h5
= (0.14) Depth: 12 00:00:23 663kN
25.Kh1 a5 26.Bg5 Rc7 27.Rbf1 Qb2 28.Kg2 Kg8 29.Rf3
= (0.21) Depth: 12 00:01:52 2102kN
25.Kh1 b6 26.Bg5 Rc7 27.Rbf1 Bd4 28.Rg2 Bg7 29.Qe3 Nc2
= (0.22) Depth: 13 00:03:20 3619kN
25.Kh1 b6 26.Bg5 Rc7 27.Bd3 a6 28.Rg2 Qa3 29.Nf3 b5 30.Bc1
+/= (0.28) Depth: 14 00:03:50 4124kN
25.Bg5
+/= (0.42) Depth: 14 00:04:53 5188kN
25.Bg5 Rc7 26.f6 exf6 27.Rbf1 Rg8 28.Bf4 f5 29.Qb1 Qa6 30.Nf3 Bc3 31.gxf5 gxf5+ 32.Kh1
+/= (0.39) Depth: 14 00:05:32 5762kN
25.Bg5 Rc7 26.f6 exf6 27.Rbf1 Rg8 28.Bf4 f5 29.Qb1 Qa6 30.Nf3 b5 31.Bg3 Bh6 32.Qb2+ Bg7 33.Qd2
+/= (0.37) Depth: 15 00:06:27 6696kN
25.Bg5 Rc7 26.f6 exf6 27.Rbf1 Rg8 28.Bf4 f5 29.Qb1 Qa6 30.Nf3 b5 31.Bg3 Bh6 32.Qb2+ Bg7 33.Qc1
+/= (0.42) Depth: 16 00:09:12 9552kN

[Event "Dzindzi vs Rybka handicap match"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.07.28"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Dzindzichashvili, Roman"]
[Black "Rybka 3"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator ",Albert"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/ppppp1pp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "80"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 g6 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. e4 O-O 6. Be2 d6 7. Nf3 Nh5 8. g3 Nf6 9. h3 Qb6 10. Rb1 Nbd7 11. Be3 Qa5 12. Nd2 Ne8 13. Qc2 Nb6 14. g4 Bd7 15. O-O Na4 16. Nxa4 Bxa4 17. b3 Bd7 18. Kg2 Nc7 19. f4 Na6 20. e5 Nb4 21. Qe4 Qxa2 22. e6 Be8 23. f5 Rc8 24. Rf2 Kh8 25. Rbf1 ({Rybka 3 32-bit :} 25. Bg5 Rc7 26. f6 exf6 27. Rbf1 Rg8 28. Bf4 f5 29. Qb1 Qa6 30. Nf3 b5 31. Bg3 Bh6 32. Qb2+ Bg7 33. Qc1 {[%eval 42,16]}) 25... Qb2 26. Nf3 ({Rybka 3 32-bit :} 26. Bg5 Bf6 27. Bxf6+ Rxf6 28. Bd1 b5 29. Qe3 {[%eval 25,15]}) 26... gxf5 27. gxf5 Bf6 28. Kh1 Rg8 29. Nh2 Qc2 30. Qxc2 Nxc2 31. Bc1 h5 32. Bxh5 Bxh5 33. Rxc2 Rg3 34. Bb2 Bxb2 35. Rxb2 Rcg8 36. f6 exf6 37. Rbb1 Kg7 38. Rg1 Kf8 {The GM probably missed this and only saw} (38... Rxg1+ 39. Rxg1+ $16) 39. Rxg3 Rxg3 40. Nf1 $4 Bf3+ 0-1
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Re: Handicap match: Rybka 3 and GM Dzindzidashvili started!

Post by bob » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:06 pm

However, all those that think the computer positionally outplays top GM players should look at this game carefully. Roman isn't a "top GM" today. And an oversight brings him down as was discussed previously...

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Re: Handicap match: Rybka 3 and GM Dzindzidashvili started!

Post by George Tsavdaris » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:12 pm

bob wrote:However, all those that think the computer positionally outplays top GM players should look at this game carefully.
No, this game is not appropriate for that kind of conclusions.
If you haven't noticed, it was a handicap game. Rybka had black and didn't had the f-Pawn from the start, which is a HUGE handicap.

So it's logical that the GM outplayed Rybka 3 for a big part of the game as without f-Pawn black's play is absolutely paralyzed!

Roman isn't a "top GM" today. And an oversight brings him down as was discussed previously...
Actually Rybka 3 already had an advantage. The mistake just killed white immediately.....
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Re: Handicap match: Rybka 3 and GM Dzindzidashvili started!

Post by Jeroen » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:13 pm

This is a handicap match, Bob. Without pawn f7 you are material down plus you are positionally worse. So white starts with an advantage of at least +1,25 at the beginning of the game and black needs white mistakes to draw or even win the game.

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Re: Handicap match: Rybka 3 and GM Dzindzidashvili started!

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:25 pm

Jeroen wrote:This is a handicap match, Bob. Without pawn f7 you are material down plus you are positionally worse. So white starts with an advantage of at least +1,25 at the beginning of the game and black needs white mistakes to draw or even win the game.
And that's why I hate this kind handicap match because the human supporters will jump over the software saying:
"See,the GM outplayed the chess engine positionaly,but a stupid tactical mistake cost him the game....""
In this particular case they forget that the machine is a pawn down and it plays black all the time....
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