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WCCC China 2008

Post by swami » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:49 am

The tournament is underway, seems there is no broadcast, hopefully they get it working and relay the games on playchess sooner.

Anyway, here is the initial results:

Cluster Toga and Hiarcs-Draw.

Rybka beat the Baron.

Anything else? Keep the results up to date.

http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/t ... php?id=178

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Re: WCCC China 2008

Post by Steve B » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:01 am

thanks for the update Swami

from the web site it seems there are still no complete details on the hardware used?
all single cores unless otherwise mentioned?
the hardware is just as important as the engine in the WCCC
they might as well just post who the operators are and not even give the engine if they are not going to mention the hardware
it is surprising how behind the times the Internet coverage is of this match
didn't we just see the Summer Olympics hosted there only a month ago and the Chinese spent something like 1 Trillion dollars on it?
they could have at least put aside a few hundred dollars to set up a proper.. up to the minute .. site

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Re: WCCC China 2008

Post by swami » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:07 am

Steve B wrote:
thanks for the update Swami

from the web site it seems there are still no complete details on the hardware used?
all single cores unless otherwise mentioned?
the hardware is just as important as the engine in the WCCC
they might as well just post who the operators are and not even give the engine if they are not going to mention the hardware
it is surprising how behind the times the Internet coverage is of this match
didn't we just see the Summer Olympics hosted there only a month ago and the Chinese spent something like 1 Trillion dollars on it?
they could have at least put aside a few hundred dollars to set up a proper.. up to the minute .. site

Penny Wise And Dollar Foolish Regards
Steve
I feel the same way as you, Steve. I don't know what the problem is, Other than few results that get published we see nothing else.

I'd be interested in knowing what kind of hardwares they were using, hopefully we will get the information the next day. I guess it is usually like that in the first day of many tournaments, remaining days we get everything.

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Re: WCCC China 2008

Post by Werner » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:28 am

[Event "16th WCCC"]
[Site "Beijing"]
[Date "2008.09.28"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Shredder"]
[Black "Junior"]
[ECO ""]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1.e4 {Buch 0s} e5 {12s (c5)} 2.Nf3 {Buch 0s} Nc6 {14s} 3.Bb5 {Buch 0s}
f5 {24s (Sf6)} 4.Nc3 {Buch 0s} fxe4 {13s (Sf6)} 5.Nxe4 {Buch 0s}
Nf6 {13s} 6.Nxf6+ {Buch 0s} Qxf6 {13s} 7.O-O {Buch 0s} Be7 {1:35m}
8.Qe2 {+0.09/21 1:54m} O-O {4:55m} 9.Qe4 {+0.29/22 0s} d6 {1:34m (Kh8)}
10.Bxc6 {+0.45/19 57s} bxc6 {15s} 11.d4 {+0.31/21 3:36m} Bf5 {14s (De6)}
12.Qxc6 {+0.65/20 56s} Qg6 {1:22m} 13.Qxc7 {+0.60/19 1:37m} Bd8 {3:04m (e4)}
14.Qc4+ {+0.74/19 3:58m} Be6 {23s} 15.Qc6 {+0.41/19 3:13m} Rc8 {47s}
16.Qxd6 {+0.25/18 2:05m} Bc7 {13s} 17.Qa3 {+0.52/19 4:11m} Bd5 {5:13m}
18.Qd3 {+0.53/20 0s} e4 {2:52m} 19.Qb5 {+0.54/20 0s} Rcd8 {10:04m (exf3)}
20.Ne1 {+0.59/21 6:52m} Qh5 {13s} 21.h3 {+0.81/20 1:54m} Rb8 {2:23m}
22.Qd7 {+0.92/21 1:02m} Rf7 {1:52m} 23.Qg4 {+0.97/23 1:37m} Qxg4 {17s}
24.hxg4 {+1.10/26 3:11m} Bc4 {2:13m} 25.b3 {+0.94/26 1:28m} Bxf1 {46s}
26.Kxf1 {+0.71/23 2:22m} Bg3 {9:06m} 27.Be3 {+0.59/28 0s} Bxf2 {3:00m}
28.Ke2 {+0.61/25 2:49m} Bxe3 {2:23m} 29.Kxe3 {+0.59/23 0s} g5 {2:03m}
30.g3 {+0.91/24 3:39m} Rf1 {1:38m} 31.c4 {+0.96/24 4:19m} Rg1 {23s (Tbf8)}
32.Kf2 {+1.00/25 3:38m} Rh1 {8s} 33.Kg2 {+1.01/25 2:38m} Rh6 {10s}
34.Rc1 {+0.62/25 6:02m} Rf6 {4:10m (Ta6)} 35.Rc2 {+0.62/26 4:18m}
a5 {2:09m (Tbf8)} 36.d5 {+0.69/25 7:42m} a4 {15s} 37.c5 {+0.75/22 3:57m}
Kf7 {15s} 38.Rc3 {+0.80/23 4:46m} Rd8 {5:03m (Ke7)} 39.d6 {+0.01/23 5:42m}
Rf8 {11s} 40.Nc2 {+0.29/22 1:11m} Ke8 {5:01m} 41.Ne3 {0.00/23 0s}
Rf2+ {2:59m} 42.Kh3 {0.00/23 0s} Rxa2 {2:12m} 43.Nf5 {0.00/23 0s}
a3 {1:46m} 44.Rc4 {0.00/22 17s} Ra1 {2:47m} 45.Rxe4+ {0.00/23 0s}
Kd7 {2:09m} 46.Ra4 {0.00/23 0s} Kc6 {2:26m} 47.Ra5 {0.00/22 0s}
a2 {9:03m (Th1+)} 48.Kg2 {+0.01/22 3:23m} Rc1 {16s} 49.Rxa2 {+0.01/23 1:47m}
Rxc5 {6:56m} 50.Re2 {0.00/24 0s} Rb8 {1:49m} 51.Rd2 {0.00/24 0s}
Rb7 {3:00m (Kd7)} 52.b4 {0.00/24 1:37m} Re5 {49s (Tc4)} 53.Kf3 {0.00/25 3:57m}
h6 {12s (Kd7)} 54.Rd4 {0.00/24 1:33m} Re6 {2:28m (Kd7)} 55.b5+ {0.00/24 1:09m}
Kd7 {4:02m (Txb5)} 56.Rb4 {0.00/25 2:27m} 1/2-1/2
Werner

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Re: WCCC China 2008

Post by Tony Thomas » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:00 pm

I was going to say you can watch the shredder games at the shredder website, but I see that Werner already posted the game. Shredder is using an 8core computer, more info at the website.

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Re: WCCC China 2008

Post by swami » Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:15 pm

Playchess started broadcasting I guess.
[Event "WCCC 2008"]
[Site "Beijing"]
[Date "2008.09.28"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Jonny Beijing"]
[Black "Deep Sjeng"]
[Result "1-0"]
[PlyCount "155"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]

1. Nf3 {Buch 0s} Nf6 {'12s'} 2. c4 {Buch 0s} e6 {'7s'} 3. Nc3 {Buch 0s} d5 {
'6s'} 4. d4 {Buch 0s} Be7 {'7s'} 5. Bg5 {Buch 0s} O-O {'7s'} 6. e3 {Buch 0s} h6
{'7s'} 7. Bxf6 {Buch 0s} Bxf6 {'6s'} 8. Qd2 {Buch 0s} c6 {'7s'} 9. h4 {Buch 0s}
Be7 {'1:57m'} 10. g4 {+0. '+0.22/19 6:52m'} f6 {'2:13m (Sd7)'} () {Sd7} 11. Be2
{+0. '+0.69/17 1:42m'} Bd7 {'6:01m (e5)'} (11... e5) 12. O-O-O {
+0. '+0.82/17 1:23m'} b5 {'3:17m (Le8)'} () {Le8} 13. Rdg1 {
+0. '+0.95/17 3:33m'} Na6 {'1:16m (bxc4)'} (13... bxc4) 14. g5 {
+1. '+1.64/16 1:41m'} h5 {'2:27m'} 15. gxf6 {+1. 0s '+1.62/18 0s'} Bxf6 {
'4:00m'} 16. Ng5 {+1. 0s '+1.58/18 0s'} bxc4 {'4:03m'} 17. Bxh5 {
+1. '+1.57/17 18s'} e5 {'59s'} 18. Bg6 {+1. '+1.68/14 2:03m'} exd4 {
'1:38m (Lf5)'} () {Lf5} 19. exd4 {+1. '+1.65/17 2:20m'} Nb4 {'1:16m'} 20. Qd1 {
+1. 0s '+1.72/17 0s'} Be8 {'1:35m (Sd3+)'} () {Sd3+} 21. Bh7+ {
+0. '+0.98/16 10:17m'} Kh8 {'10s'} 22. Ne6 {+1. 01/17 '+1.01/17 13:32m'} Kxh7 {
'8s'} 23. Nxd8 {+1. '+1.38/15 1:14m'} Nd3+ {'1:32m'} 24. Kb1 {
+1. 0s '+1.29/15 0s'} Rxd8 {'3:16m'} 25. Rh3 {+1. 0s '+1.14/18 0s'} Kg8 {
'2:30m (Lg6)'} () {Lg6} 26. Rxd3 {+1. '+1.18/18 10:12m'} cxd3 {'9:27m (g6)'} (
26... g6) 27. Qxd3 {+1. '+1.14/21 2s'} Bxh4 {'48s'} 28. Nd1 {
+1. 0s '+1.14/20 0s'} Bd7 {'16:49m'} 29. Ka1 {+1. 05/22 0s '+1.05/22 0s'} Rf4 {
'1:47m (Tf5)'} () {Tf5} 30. Qe3 {+0. '+0.98/22 1s'} Rdf8 {'2:12m'} 31. Qe5 {
+0. '+0.96/21 2:13m'} R4f7 {'38s'} 32. Qc7 {+0. 0s '+0.99/20 0s'} Be8 {'3:28m'}
33. Qb8 {+1. 04/20 0s '+1.04/20 0s'} a5 {'1:56m (Te7)'} () {Te7} 34. Re1 {
+1. '+1.38/21 2:49m'} Bd7 {'1:55m'} 35. Qa7 {+1. 0s '+1.45/21 0s'} Bd8 {
'1:42m (Lf6)'} () {Lf6} 36. a4 {+1. '+1.44/20 1:53m'} Be8 {'1:46m (g6)'} (36...
g6) 37. Qb8 {+1. '+1.40/20 1:38m'} Bd7 {'37s'} 38. Qb7 {+1. '+1.28/20 42s'} Be8
{'1:53m'} 39. Qc8 {+1. 0s '+1.28/20 0s'} Bd7 {'2:27m'} 40. Qa6 {
+1. 0s '+1.16/21 0s'} Rf4 {'2:08m'} 41. Qb7 {+1. 0s '+1.16/21 0s'} R8f7 {
'2:15m (Le8)'} () {Le8} 42. Qa8 {+1. '+1.18/21 2s'} Rf8 {'1:11m'} 43. Qa7 {
+1. '+1.17/22 7:22m'} Be8 {'1:23m'} 44. Re6 {+1. 0s '+1.17/21 0s'} R4f7 {
'1:22m (Th4)'} () {Th4} 45. Qc5 {+1. '+1.23/22 2s'} Rf4 {'30s'} 46. Nc3 {
+1. '+1.23/21 15:54m'} Bd7 {'3:35m (Lh4)'} () {Lh4} 47. Nxd5 {
+1. '+1.31/17 49s'} R4f5 {'54s (T8f5)'} () {T8f5} 48. Rxc6 {+1. '+1.42/18 27s'}
Bxc6 {'16s'} 49. Qxc6 {+1. '+1.41/20 4:37m'} Rxf2 {'15s'} 50. Ka2 {
+1. 0s '+1.41/19 0s'} Kh7 {'2:44m'} 51. Nc3 {+1. 0s '+1.43/20 0s'} R2f4 {
'1:22m'} 52. Qd6 {+1. 0s '+1.57/20 0s'} g6 {'3:45m (T4f6)'} () {T4f6} 53. Nd5 {
+1. '+1.51/18 2s'} R4f7 {'3:31m'} 54. Ne3 {+1. 0s '+1.67/20 0s'} Bf6 {
'44s (Lc7)'} () {Lc7} 55. Nc4 {+1. '+1.92/19 1:30m'} Rd8 {'4:38m (Kg7)'} (55...
Kg7) 56. Qe6 {+1. '+1.87/20 2s'} Kg7 {'4:48m'} 57. d5 {+1. '+1.74/20 21s'} Re7
{'34s'} 58. Qc6 {+1. 0s '+1.66/20 0s'} Rb8 {'26s'} 59. d6 {+1. '+1.91/19 55s'}
Reb7 {'9s'} 60. Kb1 {+1. '+1.87/19 1:09m'} Rb4 {'8s (Lxb2)'} () {Lxb2} 61. Qc7+
{+2. '+2.31/18 41s'} Kf8 {'40s (Kh6)'} (61... Kh6) 62. d7 {+2. '+2.31/18 9s'}
R4b7 {'3:38m'} 63. Qc8+ {+2. 0s '+2.47/18 0s'} Kg7 {'56s'} 64. Kc1 {
+2. '+2.65/19 2:39m'} Rb4 {'1:35m (Ld8)'} () {Ld8} 65. Nd6 {
+2. '+2.51/17 1:24m'} Bg5+ {'2:22m'} 66. Kd1 {+2. 0s '+2.58/20 0s'} Rd4+ {
'3:47m'} 67. Kc2 {+2. 0s '+2.58/19 0s'} Rd2+ {'3:03m'} 68. Kc3 {
+2. 0s '+2.86/19 0s'} Rxd6 {'23s'} 69. Qxb8 {+3. 0s '+3.33/20 0s'} Rxd7 {
'1:18m (Lf6+)'} () {Lf6+} 70. Qb5 {+3. '+3.58/19 3:23m'} Bf6+ {'10s (Tc7+)'} ()
{Tc7+} 71. Kc2 {+3. '+3.38/18 1s'} Rc7+ {'1:03m'} 72. Kb1 {+3. 0s '+3.67/18 0s'
} Ra7 {'1:11m'} 73. Qb6 {+3. '+3.91/18 1s'} Rd7 {'1:18m'} 74. Qxa5 {
+4. '+4.14/19 40s'} g5 {'1:39m'} 75. Qb4 {+4. 0s '+4.50/18 0s'} Kg6 {
'36s (Kf7)'} (75... Kf7) 76. a5 {+5. 01/17 '+5.01/17 52s'} Rd4 {'28s (Kf7)'} (
76... Kf7) 77. Qb8 {+5. '+5.73/16 1:59m'} Rf4 {'6:07m'} 78. a6 {
+7. 04/18 0s '+7.04/18 0s'} 1-0

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Re: WCCC China 2008

Post by bob » Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:50 pm

swami wrote:
Steve B wrote:
thanks for the update Swami

from the web site it seems there are still no complete details on the hardware used?
all single cores unless otherwise mentioned?
the hardware is just as important as the engine in the WCCC
they might as well just post who the operators are and not even give the engine if they are not going to mention the hardware
it is surprising how behind the times the Internet coverage is of this match
didn't we just see the Summer Olympics hosted there only a month ago and the Chinese spent something like 1 Trillion dollars on it?
they could have at least put aside a few hundred dollars to set up a proper.. up to the minute .. site

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Steve
I feel the same way as you, Steve. I don't know what the problem is, Other than few results that get published we see nothing else.

I'd be interested in knowing what kind of hardwares they were using, hopefully we will get the information the next day. I guess it is usually like that in the first day of many tournaments, remaining days we get everything.
You act surprised. WCCC in Paris relied on Thorsten and his cell phone to get information out. No network access of any kind. Seems ridiculous for an organization that has "computer" in the name, does it not???

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Re: WCCC China 2008

Post by swami » Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:06 pm

bob wrote:
swami wrote:
Steve B wrote:
thanks for the update Swami

from the web site it seems there are still no complete details on the hardware used?
all single cores unless otherwise mentioned?
the hardware is just as important as the engine in the WCCC
they might as well just post who the operators are and not even give the engine if they are not going to mention the hardware
it is surprising how behind the times the Internet coverage is of this match
didn't we just see the Summer Olympics hosted there only a month ago and the Chinese spent something like 1 Trillion dollars on it?
they could have at least put aside a few hundred dollars to set up a proper.. up to the minute .. site

Penny Wise And Dollar Foolish Regards
Steve
I feel the same way as you, Steve. I don't know what the problem is, Other than few results that get published we see nothing else.

I'd be interested in knowing what kind of hardwares they were using, hopefully we will get the information the next day. I guess it is usually like that in the first day of many tournaments, remaining days we get everything.
You act surprised. WCCC in Paris relied on Thorsten and his cell phone to get information out. No network access of any kind. Seems ridiculous for an organization that has "computer" in the name, does it not???
Yes Bob, I remember reading that somewhere.

This kind of tournament doesn't seem like a "world Champs" to me, I prefer the CCT's or ACCA's over WCCC any day.

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Re: WCCC China 2008

Post by Harvey Williamson » Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:47 pm

bob wrote:
swami wrote:
Steve B wrote:
thanks for the update Swami

from the web site it seems there are still no complete details on the hardware used?
all single cores unless otherwise mentioned?
the hardware is just as important as the engine in the WCCC
they might as well just post who the operators are and not even give the engine if they are not going to mention the hardware
it is surprising how behind the times the Internet coverage is of this match
didn't we just see the Summer Olympics hosted there only a month ago and the Chinese spent something like 1 Trillion dollars on it?
they could have at least put aside a few hundred dollars to set up a proper.. up to the minute .. site

Penny Wise And Dollar Foolish Regards
Steve
I feel the same way as you, Steve. I don't know what the problem is, Other than few results that get published we see nothing else.

I'd be interested in knowing what kind of hardwares they were using, hopefully we will get the information the next day. I guess it is usually like that in the first day of many tournaments, remaining days we get everything.
You act surprised. WCCC in Paris relied on Thorsten and his cell phone to get information out. No network access of any kind. Seems ridiculous for an organization that has "computer" in the name, does it not???
If you take a trip to the Premier ;-) computer Chess forum all your questions are answered and if not ask them http://hiarcs.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1677

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Re: WCCC China 2008

Post by Rolf » Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:44 pm

bob wrote: You act surprised. WCCC in Paris relied on Thorsten and his cell phone to get information out. No network access of any kind. Seems ridiculous for an organization that has "computer" in the name, does it not???
And that from a veritable professor in computer science. It's so easy to understand:

Academics have their own way to behave in a hobbym dont forget the notion hobby. It's exactly this contradiction which attracts brainers like academics. We shouldnt combine this with academics alone. In principle it's a very normal intellectual attitude. Your mind works on most modern and deepest thinkable levels but you organise your life and these hobbies in a very natural, average, even basic and primitive manner. Look where you want. Take Wittgenstein, take Lawrence, take Einstein, take Shaw, to name just a couple of them, they all liked a very simple life on simple grounds. We must not go back to Jesus or Franz of Assisi.

What does that mean for the organising of such little CC event? It's exactly the contrapoint to a perfectly organised World event. It's rather a kitchen amateur in jest chance directed event with the simple rule that it starts with round one and then continues with round one plus 1 which makes two. Nothing is really perfectly pre-defined. In case of conflict the professor looks for a second and makes a false but simple decision. This is what de Hering is famous for. Without such a spleen Levy would not have made his promotion about sex with machines. It's all like a small kindergarden with games for kids.

It is absolutely false to combine the Wch in Paris with the activities on a cell phone. In a way this cellphone was the destruction of the academic slowliness which proceeds in steps of a journal that appears in quarters of a year. It's not something that happens in rhythm of minutes or hours. It's likewise very insulting for the scene that there is a webpage in France with schedule and games. It's ridiculous to see. Academics and intellectuals like it only if only three casual game scores are published from 40 in total. Otherwise where would be the suspense factor???
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