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Who was the most talented chess player ever?

Post by S.Taylor » Thu May 21, 2009 3:28 pm

http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28045

Isn't this the right forum for this? I don't know, but anyway I put it here as well, but it is a link to that question in CTF

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Re: Who was the most talented chess player ever?

Post by michiguel » Thu May 21, 2009 4:33 pm

S.Taylor wrote:http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28045

Isn't this the right forum for this? I don't know, but anyway I put it here as well, but it is a link to that question in CTF
Akiba Rubinstein

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Re: Who was the most talented chess player ever?

Post by Sean Evans » Thu May 21, 2009 5:01 pm

You have to judge the chess player during there own time. A star player like Paul Morphy, might not even be a master player today! However, in recent times I think you would have to give it to Kasparov, he earned it.

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Re: Who was the most talented chess player ever?

Post by Dann Corbit » Thu May 21, 2009 6:26 pm

S.Taylor wrote:http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28045

Isn't this the right forum for this? I don't know, but anyway I put it here as well, but it is a link to that question in CTF
My picks:
1. Capablanca (probably the greatest natural talent of all time)
2. Kasparov
3. Fischer

Oh, and I forgot:
0. Rybka

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Re: Who was the most talented chess player ever?

Post by Terry McCracken » Thu May 21, 2009 6:31 pm

michiguel wrote:
S.Taylor wrote:http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28045

Isn't this the right forum for this? I don't know, but anyway I put it here as well, but it is a link to that question in CTF
Akiba Rubinstein

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I'm glad you mentioned him, a true chess genius!

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Re: Who was the most talented chess player ever?

Post by Terry McCracken » Thu May 21, 2009 6:34 pm

Dann Corbit wrote:
S.Taylor wrote:http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28045

Isn't this the right forum for this? I don't know, but anyway I put it here as well, but it is a link to that question in CTF
My picks:
1. Capablanca (probably the greatest natural talent of all time)
2. Kasparov
3. Fischer

Oh, and I forgot:
0. Rybka
Ha..ha!

A little secret, Rybka is Fischer!

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Re: Who was the most talented chess player ever?

Post by Dann Corbit » Thu May 21, 2009 6:53 pm

Dann Corbit wrote:
S.Taylor wrote:http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28045

Isn't this the right forum for this? I don't know, but anyway I put it here as well, but it is a link to that question in CTF
My picks:
1. Capablanca (probably the greatest natural talent of all time)
2. Kasparov
3. Fischer

Oh, and I forgot:
0. Rybka
see also:
http://db.chessmetrics.com/CM2/Summary. ... 0000010100

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Re: Who was the most talented chess player ever?

Post by M ANSARI » Thu May 21, 2009 7:08 pm

To me talent is when you can do something without training hard for it. In tennis Mc Enroe was an amazing talent and drove other competing tennis players nuts because he could get away with not training and still play world class tennis. In chess Capablanca is the same, a natural talent who seems to have been born with chess abilities. Remember talent does not mean the strongest chess player ever, that would have to go to Fischer or Kasparov.

By the way, I also think Carlsen is an exceptionally talented player ... in a few years he might surpass everyone.

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Re: Who was the most talented chess player ever?

Post by Dann Corbit » Thu May 21, 2009 7:28 pm

M ANSARI wrote:To me talent is when you can do something without training hard for it. In tennis Mc Enroe was an amazing talent and drove other competing tennis players nuts because he could get away with not training and still play world class tennis. In chess Capablanca is the same, a natural talent who seems to have been born with chess abilities. Remember talent does not mean the strongest chess player ever, that would have to go to Fischer or Kasparov.

By the way, I also think Carlsen is an exceptionally talented player ... in a few years he might surpass everyone.
That is why I chose Capablanca above the others. Legends are that he drank and caroused and did not prepare or study and still clobbered everyone.

After the 1907 World Championship Capablanca said that he had never opened a book on chess openings.

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Re: Who was the most talented chess player ever?

Post by michiguel » Thu May 21, 2009 10:18 pm

M ANSARI wrote:To me talent is when you can do something without training hard for it. In tennis Mc Enroe was an amazing talent and drove other competing tennis players nuts because he could get away with not training and still play world class tennis. In chess Capablanca is the same, a natural talent who seems to have been born with chess abilities. Remember talent does not mean the strongest chess player ever, that would have to go to Fischer or Kasparov.

By the way, I also think Carlsen is an exceptionally talented player ... in a few years he might surpass everyone.
I think Ilie Nastase would be a good example of amazing talent too.

I do not believe that talent is when you can do something without trainiing hard for it. I think that is a consequence of it. To me, talent is to have a superior understanding and mastery, linked to skills that allow you to do things that fewer can do. Talent is potential. As a consequence, most talented players may be able to perform well with less effort.

I chose Rubinstein for those reasons. He mastered all levels of the game, despite he started to play relatively late. Only a handful of players in history may compare to his endgame skills. His games were symphonies at a time that most players were just hackers. He was only shadowed by his occasional blunders, his mental problems, and that his prime was by WWI. I witnessed Najdorf telling some stories that he and other players visit him when he was hospitalized. They could no beat Rubinstein at blitz, and the man was completely insane.

Miguel

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