CCRL 40/40 - A most curious game

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CCRL 40/40 - A most curious game

Post by Kurt Utzinger » Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:21 am

Dear Chessfriends
A most curious game has been played at CCRL 40/40. But please see with your own eyes what happens in this game.
Regards
Kurt

[Event "CCRL 40/40"]
[Site "CCRL"]
[Date "2009.09.22"]
[Round "193.1.46"]
[White "Bright 0.4a"]
[Black "Cyclone xTreme Fury"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2875"]
[ECO "E06"]
[Opening "Catalan"]
[Variation "closed, 5.Nf3"]
[PlyCount "26"]

1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 e6 3.d4 Nf6 4.g3 Be7 5.Bg2 Qd7 6.O-O Ba3 7.cxd5 Bb4 8.a4 Bf8 9.g4 Qc6 10.Ne5 Qb5 11.axb5 Nxd5 12.Bxd5 exd5 13.b6 cxb6 1-0

Position before 6...Ba3?? und 7.cxd5? (isntead of 7.Nxa3)
[D]rnb1k2r/pppqbppp/4pn2/3p4/2PP4/5NP1/PP2PPBP/RNBQ1RK1 b kq - 4 6

Position before 8...Bf8?
[D]rnb1k2r/pppq1ppp/4pn2/3P4/Pb1P4/5NP1/1P2PPBP/RNBQ1RK1 b kq - 0 8

Position before 9.g4?
[D]rnb1kb1r/pppq1ppp/4pn2/3P4/P2P4/5NP1/1P2PPBP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - 1 9

Position before 9...Qc6????
[D]rnb1kb1r/pppq1ppp/4pn2/3P4/P2P2P1/5N2/1P2PPBP/RNBQ1RK1 b kq - 0 9

Position before 10.Ne5? (instead 10.dxc6 winning the queen)
[D]rnb1kb1r/ppp2ppp/2q1pn2/3P4/P2P2P1/5N2/1P2PPBP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - 1 10

Position before 10...Qb5???? (instead 10...Qd6)
[D]rnb1kb1r/ppp2ppp/2q1pn2/3PN3/P2P2P1/8/1P2PPBP/RNBQ1RK1 b kq - 2 10

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Re: CCRL 40/40 - A most curious game

Post by AdminX » Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:28 am

Clearly a glitch in the system ... :lol:
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Re: CCRL 40/40 - A most curious game

Post by Graham Banks » Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:33 am

Kurt Utzinger wrote:Dear Chessfriends
A most curious game has been played at CCRL 40/40. But please see with your own eyes what happens in this game.
Regards
Kurt

[Event "CCRL 40/40"]
[Site "CCRL"]
[Date "2009.09.22"]
[Round "193.1.46"]
[White "Bright 0.4a"]
[Black "Cyclone xTreme Fury"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2875"]
[ECO "E06"]
[Opening "Catalan"]
[Variation "closed, 5.Nf3"]
[PlyCount "26"]

1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 e6 3.d4 Nf6 4.g3 Be7 5.Bg2 Qd7 6.O-O Ba3 7.cxd5 Bb4 8.a4 Bf8 9.g4 Qc6 10.Ne5 Qb5 11.axb5 Nxd5 12.Bxd5 exd5 13.b6 cxb6 1-0
Hi Kurt,

this is most likely a bad line in the HS-Remis book for ChessGUI. The engines will have come out of book after move 12. Although the game may be in the database, it is weeded out automatically and not included in the rating calculations.
If it was one of my games, I would normally have picked it up and replayed it, but when you're checking over 500 games each week, it's easy to miss one now and then.

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Re: CCRL 40/40 - A most curious game

Post by Graham Banks » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:02 am

It was a bad line in the HS-10moves.abk book for Arena.

[Event "Cyclone xTreme II - Bright 0.4a 01-08"]
[Site "PUESTO2"]
[Date "2009.09.22"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Bright-0.4a"]
[Black "Cyclone xTreme II"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A14"]
[PlyCount "26"]
[EventDate "2009.??.??"]
[TimeControl "40/1500:40/1500:40/1500"]

1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 e6 3. d4 Nf6 4. g3 Be7 5. Bg2 Qd7 6. O-O Ba3 7. cxd5 Bb4 8. a4
Bf8 9. g4 Qc6 10. Ne5 Qb5 11. axb5 {(axb5 Nxd5 Bxd5 exd5 b6 cxb6 Qc2 Nc6 Nxc6
Bd6 Rxa7 Rxa7 Nxa7 Bxg4 Nc8 Bb8 Nxb6 0-0 Nxd5 Re8 e4) +12.03/17 91} Nxd5 {
(Nxd5 Qc2 Bd6 Nc4 0-0 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 a6 Nxd6 cxd6 Ba3 Rd8 Be4 axb5 Bxh7+ Kh8
Be4 Kg8 Bb4 Na6) -11.36/1747} 12. Bxd5 {(Bxd5 exd5 b6 cxb6 Qc2 Nc6 Nxc6 Bd6
Rxa7 Rxa7 Nxa7 Bxg4 Nc8 Bb8 Nxb6 0-0 Nxd5 Re8 e4) +12.03/16 55} exd5 {
(exd5 Nc3 Bd6 b6 cxb6 Nxd5 b5 Bf4 0-0 Nd7 Bxd7 Bxd6 Nc6 Qb3) -12.12/15 21} 13.
b6 {(b6 a5 bxc7 Nc6 Qa4 Ra6 e4 dxe4 d5 Bd6 dxc6 0-0 Qxe4 bxc6 Nxc6 Bxc7 Rd1)
+12.25/17 104} cxb6 {(cxb6 Nc3 Bd6 Nxd5 b5 Nb6 axb6 Rxa8 0-0 Bf4 Bxg4 Qd3 h5
Rfa1 b4 d5 Re8 h3 Bc8 Rc1) -12.55/17 48 1-0 Arena Adjudication} 1-0
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Re: CCRL 40/40 - A most curious game

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:05 am

AdminX wrote:Clearly a glitch in the system ... :lol:
More clearly a stupid opening line from an overadvertised opening book....
Sorry Graham,no offence is intended....
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Re: CCRL 40/40 - A most curious game

Post by Graham Banks » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:07 am

Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
AdminX wrote:Clearly a glitch in the system ... :lol:
More clearly a stupid opening line from an overadvertised opening book....
Sorry Graham,no offence is intended....
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No offense taken. No opening book is perfect, but Harry's are pretty good. I prefer them to others.

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Re: CCRL 40/40 - A most curious game

Post by Kurt Utzinger » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:09 am

Graham Banks wrote:
Kurt Utzinger wrote:Dear Chessfriends
A most curious game has been played at CCRL 40/40. But please see with your own eyes what happens in this game.
Regards
Kurt

[Event "CCRL 40/40"]
[Site "CCRL"]
[Date "2009.09.22"]
[Round "193.1.46"]
[White "Bright 0.4a"]
[Black "Cyclone xTreme Fury"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2875"]
[ECO "E06"]
[Opening "Catalan"]
[Variation "closed, 5.Nf3"]
[PlyCount "26"]

1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 e6 3.d4 Nf6 4.g3 Be7 5.Bg2 Qd7 6.O-O Ba3 7.cxd5 Bb4 8.a4 Bf8 9.g4 Qc6 10.Ne5 Qb5 11.axb5 Nxd5 12.Bxd5 exd5 13.b6 cxb6 1-0
Hi Kurt,

this is most likely a bad line in the HS-Remis book for ChessGUI.
[...]
Graham.
Hi Graham
Many thanks for your prompt reply. Can we talk about a bad book line if the book contains moves that even a 400 Elo-rated player would never play in his life. If this relates to one particular move that's would be ok, but seven almost incredible moves in a game of only 13 moves??
Kind regards
Kurt

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Re: CCRL 40/40 - A most curious game

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:12 am

Kurt Utzinger wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
Kurt Utzinger wrote:Dear Chessfriends
A most curious game has been played at CCRL 40/40. But please see with your own eyes what happens in this game.
Regards
Kurt

[Event "CCRL 40/40"]
[Site "CCRL"]
[Date "2009.09.22"]
[Round "193.1.46"]
[White "Bright 0.4a"]
[Black "Cyclone xTreme Fury"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2875"]
[ECO "E06"]
[Opening "Catalan"]
[Variation "closed, 5.Nf3"]
[PlyCount "26"]

1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 e6 3.d4 Nf6 4.g3 Be7 5.Bg2 Qd7 6.O-O Ba3 7.cxd5 Bb4 8.a4 Bf8 9.g4 Qc6 10.Ne5 Qb5 11.axb5 Nxd5 12.Bxd5 exd5 13.b6 cxb6 1-0
Hi Kurt,

this is most likely a bad line in the HS-Remis book for ChessGUI.
[...]
Graham.
Hi Graham
Many thanks for your prompt reply. Can we talk about a bad book line if the book contains moves that even a 400 Elo-rated player would never play in his life. If this relates to one particular move that's would be ok, but seven almost incredible moves in a game of only 13 moves??
Kind regards
Kurt
Exactly my point....and we're talking about early opening line moves,not a 80 halfmoves opening line....
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Re: CCRL 40/40 - A most curious game

Post by Graham Banks » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:16 am

Kurt Utzinger wrote: Hi Graham
Many thanks for your prompt reply. Can we talk about a bad book line if the book contains moves that even a 400 Elo-rated player would never play in his life. If this relates to one particular move that's would be ok, but seven almost incredible moves in a game of only 13 moves??
Kind regards
Kurt
If you have Arena on your computer, see if you can replicate the game using the book in question. I can't do this because I don't have Arena installed. However, you can see from the full pgn that I gave that the first ten opening moves for each side were book moves.

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Re: CCRL 40/40 - A most curious game

Post by Graham Banks » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:18 am

Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Kurt Utzinger wrote: Hi Graham
Many thanks for your prompt reply. Can we talk about a bad book line if the book contains moves that even a 400 Elo-rated player would never play in his life. If this relates to one particular move that's would be ok, but seven almost incredible moves in a game of only 13 moves??
Kind regards
Kurt
Exactly my point....and we're talking about early opening line moves,not a 80 halfmoves opening line....
With all due respect Wael, I don't think that this should be turned into another dig at Harry. You are both my friends. Harry deserves better appreciation for his efforts to our community.

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