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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

Post by Milton » Tue May 04, 2010 3:00 pm

Game 8 not looking too good for the champ.

[d]8/1p1k3p/p2Pp1p1/P7/5B1P/4KP2/1Pb3P1/8 w - - Game 8, move 35

[Event "Game 8"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2010.05.04"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Topalov"]
[Black "Anand"]
[Result "*"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. a4 Bf5 6. Ne5
e6 7. f3 c5 8. e4 Bg6 9. Be3 cxd4 10. Qxd4 Qxd4 11. Bxd4
Nfd7 12. Nxd7 Nxd7 13. Bxc4 Rc8 14. Bb5 a6 15. Bxd7+ Kxd7
16. Ke2 f6 17. Rhd1 Ke8 18. a5 Be7 19. Bb6 Rf8 20. Rac1 f5
21. e5 Bg5 22. Be3 f4 23. Ne4 Rxc1 24. Nd6+ Kd7 25. Bxc1
Kc6 26. Bd2 Be7 27. Rc1+ Kd7 28. Bc3 Bxd6 29. Rd1 Bf5
30. h4 g6 31. Rxd6+ Kc8 32. Bd2 Rd8 33. Bxf4 Rxd6 34. exd6
Kd7 35. Ke3 Bc2 *

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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

Post by AdminX » Tue May 04, 2010 3:05 pm

[d]8/1p3k1p/p2Pp1p1/P7/b4K1P/4BP2/1P4P1/8 b - - 0 39
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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

Post by Sven » Tue May 04, 2010 3:05 pm

Milton wrote:Game 8 not looking too good for the champ.
Why?

While engines favor White here with a pawn up, serious chess players know that such a position with unlike bishops is a draw. White can't make progress. Positions where no progress can be made although there is a clearly positive static evaluation are sometimes difficult for engines.

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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

Post by Uri Blass » Tue May 04, 2010 3:05 pm

Milos wrote:
Sven Schüle wrote:
Milos wrote:Now that Bc2 by Anand was really far from optimal...
So which move was better in that drawn position?
h6, and +1 is maybe draw for you, but certainly not for everyone...
It is enough if it is a draw for anand.

It does not need to be a draw for everyone.
I believe that anand calculated and found that he is sure that it is a draw
and I know that you cannot trust evaluation of engines in opposite color bishop endgames..

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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

Post by AdminX » Tue May 04, 2010 3:12 pm

[d]8/1p3k1p/p2Pp1p1/PbB5/5K1P/5P2/1P4P1/8 b - - 0 40
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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

Post by Uri Blass » Tue May 04, 2010 3:20 pm

Milos wrote:
Sven Schüle wrote:
Milos wrote:Now that Bc2 by Anand was really far from optimal...
So which move was better in that drawn position?
h6, and +1 is maybe draw for you, but certainly not for everyone...
I can add that h6 is not the move that is suggested by the best endgame engine

FEN: 8/1p1k3p/p2Pp1p1/P4b2/5B1P/4KP2/1P4P1/8 b - - 2 35

Stockfish-171-32-ja:
1 00:00 34 76 -0.60 Bf5c2
2 00:00 57 127 -0.80 Bf5c2 Ke3d4
3 00:00 170 380 -0.84 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3
4 00:00 312 696 -0.88 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3 Kd4e5
5 00:00 577 1.285 -0.92 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3 Kd4e5 Bb3c4
6 00:00 943 2.095 -0.88 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3 Kd4c5 Bb3d5 Bf4e5
7- 00:00 1.652 3.654 -0.96 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3 Kd4c5 Bb3d5 Kc5d4
7 00:00 2.313 5.072 -0.92 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3 Kd4c5 Bb3a2 Bf4e5 Ba2d5
8 00:00 5.922 12.873 -0.88 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3 Kd4c5 Bb3a2 Bf4e3 Ba2d5 b2b4 Bd5b3 Be3d4 Bb3d5
9 00:00 6.860 14.848 -0.88 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3 Kd4c5 Bb3a2 Bf4e3 Ba2d5 b2b4 Bd5b3 Be3d4 Bb3d5
10 00:00 8.414 18.094 -0.88 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3 Kd4c5 Bb3a2 Bf4e3 Ba2d5 b2b4 Bd5b3 Be3d4 Bb3d5
11 00:00 11.424 24.410 -0.88 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3 Kd4c5 Bb3a2 Bf4e3 Ba2d5 b2b4 Bd5b3 Be3d4 Bb3d5
12 00:00 17.595 37.198 -0.88 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3 Kd4c5 Bb3a2 Bf4e3 Ba2d5 b2b4 Bd5b3 Be3d4 Bb3d5 Bd4e5 Bd5b3
13- 00:00 28.855 60.114 -0.96 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2a4 Kd4c5 Ba4c6 Bf4e5 Bc6d5 Kc5b6 Bd5c6 b2b4
13 00:00 36.756 75.629 -0.96 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3 Kd4c5 Bb3a2 Bf4e5 Ba2d5 Kc5b6 Bd5c6 b2b4 Bc6d5 Kb6c5 Bd5b3
14+ 00:00 46.258 93.450 -0.88 Bf5c2 Bf4e5 Bc2a4 Ke3d4 Ba4b5 Kd4c5 Bb5f1
14 00:00 51.527 103.467 -0.88 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3 Kd4c5 Bb3a2 Bf4e5 Ba2d5 Kc5d4 Bd5c6 Kd4c4 Bc6b5+ Kc4c5 Bb5f1 g2g4 Bf1e2
15 00:00 73.493 143.821 -0.92 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3 Kd4c5 Bb3a2 Bf4e5 Ba2d5 Kc5d4 Bd5c6 Be5f4 Bc6b5 Kd4e5 Bb5c4 Bf4e3 Bc4d3 Be3d4 Bd3c4 Bd4e3
16 00:00 99.335 188.849 -0.92 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3 Kd4c5 Bb3a2 Bf4e5 Ba2d5 Kc5b6 Bd5c6 b2b4 Bc6d5 Kb6c5 Bd5b3 Be5d4 Bb3c2 Bd4e5 Bc2b3
17 00:00 131.629 241.078 -0.88 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3 Kd4c5 Bb3a2 Bf4e5 Ba2d5 Kc5b6 Bd5c6 b2b4 Bc6d5 Kb6c5 Bd5a2 b4b5 a6xb5 Kc5xb5 Ba2d5 Kb5c5 h7h6 Be5f4
18 00:00 170.808 302.851 -0.88 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3 Kd4c5 Bb3a2 Bf4e5 Ba2d5 Kc5b6 Bd5c6 b2b4 Bc6d5 Kb6c5 Bd5a2 b4b5 a6xb5 Kc5xb5 Ba2d5 Kb5c5 h7h6 Be5f4
19 00:00 617.009 865.370 -0.84 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2a4 Kd4c5 Ba4b5 Kc5b6 Kd7c8 Bf4e5 Bb5f1 g2g3 Bf1g2 f3f4 Kc8d7 Kb6c5 Bg2f1 b2b4 Bf1g2 b4b5 a6xb5 Kc5xb5 Bg2d5 Kb5c5 Bd5e4
20 00:00 679.629 919.660 -0.84 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2a4 Kd4c5 Ba4b5 Kc5b6 Kd7c8 Bf4e5 Bb5f1 g2g3 Bf1g2 f3f4 Kc8d7 Kb6c5 Bg2f1 b2b4 Bf1g2 b4b5 a6xb5 Kc5xb5 Bg2d5 Kb5c5 Bd5e4
21 00:00 795.571 1.014.758 -0.84 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2a4 Kd4c5 Ba4b5 Kc5b6 Kd7c8 Bf4e5 Bb5f1 g2g3 Bf1g2 d6d7+ Kc8xd7 Kb6xb7 Bg2f1 Kb7b6 Kd7e7 f3f4 Ke7d7 Kb6c5 Bf1e2 Kc5d4 Be2f3 b2b3
22 00:00 927.150 1.115.703 -0.84 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2a4 Kd4c5 Ba4b5 Kc5b6 Kd7c8 Bf4e5 Bb5f1 g2g3 Bf1g2 d6d7+ Kc8xd7 Kb6xb7 Bg2f1 Kb7b6 Kd7e7 f3f4 Ke7d7 Kb6c5 Bf1e2 Kc5d4 Be2f3 b2b3
23- 00:01 1.441.605 1.440.164 -0.92 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3 Kd4e5 Bb3c4 Ke5f6 Bc4f1 Kf6g7 Bf1xg2 Kg7xh7 Bg2xf3 Kh7xg6 Bf3e4+ Kg6f6
23- 00:01 1.655.841 1.508.051 -1.01 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2b3 Kd4e5 Bb3c4 Ke5f6 Bc4f1 Kf6g7 Bf1xg2 Kg7xh7 Bg2xf3 Kh7xg6 Bf3e4+ Kg6f6
23- 00:01 2.127.724 1.668.803 -1.17 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Bc2a4 Kd4e5 Ba4b5 Ke5f6 Bb5c4 Kf6g7 Bc4d3 Bf4e5 Bd3c2 g2g3 Bc2a4 Kg7xh7
23- 00:01 3.273.279 1.980.205 -1.49 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 e6e5+ Kd4xe5 Bc2d3 Ke5f6 Bd3f1 Kf6g7 Bf1xg2 Kg7xh7 Bg2xf3 Kh7xg6 Bf3e4+ Kg6f6 Be4d3 Kf6e5
23 00:02 4.447.993 2.165.527 -1.21 h7h6 Ke3d4 g6g5 h4xg5 h6xg5 Bf4xg5 Kd7xd6 Bg5f4+ Kd6d7 g2g4 Bf5c2 Bf4e5 Bc2d1 Kd4e4 Bd1c2+ Ke4e3 Kd7c6 Ke3d4 Kc6b5 Be5c7 Kb5c6 Bc7g3 Kc6d7 g4g5 Kd7e7 Bg3e5 Bc2g6 f3f4 Ke7f7
24 00:02 6.760.279 2.415.247 -1.21 h7h6 Ke3d4 g6g5 h4xg5 h6xg5 Bf4xg5 Kd7xd6 Bg5f4+ Kd6d7 g2g4 Bf5c2 Bf4e5 Bc2d1 Kd4e4 Bd1c2+ Ke4e3 Kd7c6 Ke3d4 Kc6b5 Be5c7 Kb5c6 Bc7g3 Kc6d7 Kd4e5 Bc2d3 Bg3f4 Kd7e7 Bf4e3 Ke7f7 f3f4
25 00:04 12.778.959 2.771.407 -1.25 h7h6 Ke3d4 g6g5 h4xg5 h6xg5 Bf4xg5 Kd7xd6 Bg5f4+ Kd6e7 Kd4c5 Bf5d3 Kc5b6 Ke7f6 Kb6xb7 e6e5 Bf4e3 Kf6e7 g2g4 Ke7f6 Kb7b6 Kf6g6 Kb6c5 Bd3e2 b2b4 Kg6f7 g4g5 Kf7g6 f3f4 e5xf4 Be3xf4 Be2f3
26 00:04 13.893.080 2.793.140 -1.25 h7h6 Ke3d4 g6g5 h4xg5 h6xg5 Bf4xg5 Kd7xd6 Bg5f4+ Kd6e7 Kd4c5 Bf5d3 Kc5b6 Ke7f6 Kb6xb7 e6e5 Bf4e3 Kf6e7 g2g4 Ke7f6 Kb7b6 Kf6g6 Kb6c5 Bd3e2 b2b4 Kg6f7 g4g5 Kf7g6 f3f4 e5xf4 Be3xf4 Kg6f5 Bf4e3
27 00:05 16.236.583 2.841.544 -1.25 h7h6 Ke3d4 g6g5 h4xg5 h6xg5 Bf4xg5 Kd7xd6 Bg5f4+ Kd6e7 Kd4c5 Bf5d3 Kc5b6 Ke7f6 Kb6xb7 e6e5 Bf4e3 Kf6e7 g2g4 Ke7f6 Kb7b6 Kf6g6 Kb6c5 Bd3e2 b2b4 Kg6f7 g4g5 Kf7g6 f3f4 e5xf4 Be3xf4 Kg6f5 Bf4e3
28- 00:06 17.488.403 2.858.049 -1.33 h7h6 Ke3d4 g6g5 h4xg5 h6xg5 Bf4xg5 Kd7xd6 Bg5f4+ Kd6e7 Kd4c5 Bf5d3 Kc5b6 Ke7f6 Kb6xb7 e6e5 Bf4e3 Kf6e7 g2g4 Ke7f6 Kb7b6 Kf6g6 f3f4 e5xf4 Be3xf4 Bd3e2 g4g5 Be2b5 Kb6c5 Kg6f5 Bf4e3
28 00:06 18.963.583 2.882.003 -1.33 h7h6 Ke3d4 g6g5 h4xg5 h6xg5 Bf4xg5 Kd7xd6 Bg5f4+ Kd6e7 Kd4c5 Bf5d3 Kc5b6 Ke7f6 Kb6xb7 e6e5 Bf4e3 Kf6e7 g2g4 Ke7f6 Kb7b6 Kf6g6 f3f4 e5xf4 Be3xf4 Bd3e2 g4g5 Be2b5 Kb6c5 Kg6f5 Bf4d2 Bb5d3 Kc5d4
29 00:07 21.611.674 2.928.014 -1.33 h7h6 Ke3d4 g6g5 h4xg5 h6xg5 Bf4xg5 Kd7xd6 Bg5f4+ Kd6e7 Kd4c5 Bf5d3 Kc5b6 Ke7f6 Kb6xb7 e6e5 Bf4e3 Kf6e7 g2g4 Ke7f6 Kb7b6 Kf6g6 f3f4 e5xf4 Be3xf4 Bd3e2 g4g5 Kg6f5 Bf4e3 Kf5g6 Kb6c5 Be2f3 Kc5d4 Kg6f5 b2b4
30 00:08 26.230.111 2.989.867 -1.33 h7h6 Ke3d4 g6g5 h4xg5 h6xg5 Bf4xg5 Kd7xd6 Bg5f4+ Kd6e7 Kd4c5 Bf5d3 Kc5b6 Ke7f6 Kb6xb7 e6e5 Bf4e3 Kf6e7 g2g4 Ke7f6 Kb7b6 Kf6g6 f3f4 e5xf4 Be3xf4 Bd3e2 g4g5 Kg6f5 Bf4e3 Kf5g6 Kb6c5 Be2f3 Kc5d4 Kg6f5 b2b4 Bf3e2 Kd4d5 Be2f3+ Kd5d6
31- 00:10 31.112.172 3.037.704 -1.41 h7h6 Ke3d4 e6e5+ Bf4xe5 Bf5e6 Kd4c5 h6h5 f3f4 Be6b3 Kc5d4
31- 00:11 34.560.008 3.046.008 -1.49 h7h6 Ke3d4 g6g5 h4xg5 h6xg5 Bf4e5 Bf5c2 g2g4 Bc2d1 f3f4 g5xf4 g4g5 f4f3 Kd4e3 f3f2 Ke3xf2 Bd1c2 Kf2e3 Kd7c6 Ke3d4 Kc6d7 Be5f4 Bc2g6 Kd4e5 Bg6d3 Ke5f6 Bd3b5 g5g6
31- 00:14 45.887.198 3.074.313 -1.65 h7h6 Ke3d4 h6h5 Kd4e5 Bf5d3 Ke5f6 Bd3b1 Bf4e5 Bb1d3 Kf6g5 Bd3f5 g2g4 Bf5c2 g4xh5 g6xh5 Be5f4 Bc2d3 Kg5xh5 Bd3b5 Kh5g5 Bb5e2 Bf4e5
31 00:34 108.348.929 3.147.025 -1.41 e6e5 Bf4xe5 Kd7c6 Ke3d4 Kc6d7 Be5g3 Kd7e6 Bg3f4 Bf5c2 Kd4c5 Ke6d7 Kc5b6 Kd7c8 Bf4e5 Bc2d3 f3f4 Bd3f1 g2g3 Bf1e2 Kb6c5 Be2d1 Kc5d4 Kc8d7 Kd4e3 Bd1c2 b2b4 Bc2d1 Ke3d4 Bd1e2 Kd4e4 Be2c4 h4h5
32- 00:37 118.328.771 3.146.288 -1.49 e6e5 Bf4xe5 Kd7c6 Ke3d4 Kc6d7 Be5g3 Kd7e6 b2b4 Bf5c2 Kd4c5 Ke6d7 b4b5 Bc2a4 b5xa6 b7xa6 Kc5b6 Ba4b5 Bg3e5 Bb5e2 g2g4 Be2xf3 Kb6xa6 Bf3xg4 Ka6b6
32- 00:40 127.188.392 3.150.332 -1.57 e6e5 Bf4xe5 Bf5b1 Ke3f4 h7h6 Kf4e3
32 00:43 136.291.804 3.164.719 -1.45 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Kd7e8 Kd4e5 Ke8f7 Bf4d2 Bc2a4 Bd2g5 Ba4d7 Ke5d4 Bd7a4 Kd4c5 Kf7e8 Kc5b6 Ke8d7 Kb6xb7 Ba4b5 Bg5f4 Bb5f1 Bf4e5 Bf1b5 Kb7b6 Bb5f1 g2g3 Bf1b5 f3f4 Bb5d3 Kb6c5 Bd3e4 b2b4 Be4d3 g3g4 Bd3b5 g4g5 Bb5c6
33 00:47 150.485.737 3.191.570 -1.45 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Kd7e8 Kd4e5 Ke8f7 Bf4d2 Bc2a4 Bd2g5 Ba4d7 Ke5d4 Bd7a4 Kd4c5 Kf7e8 Kc5b6 Ke8d7 Kb6xb7 Ba4b5 Bg5f4 Bb5f1 Bf4e5 Bf1b5 Kb7b6 Bb5f1 g2g3 Bf1b5 f3f4 Bb5d3 Kb6c5 Bd3e4 b2b4 Be4d3 g3g4 Bd3b5 g4g5 Bb5c6
34+ 00:50 160.383.744 3.202.998 -1.37 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Kd7e8 Kd4e5 Ke8f7 Bf4d2 Bc2a4 Bd2g5 Ba4d7 Bg5f4 Bd7a4 Bf4g3 Ba4d7 Bg3f2 Bd7a4 Bf2b6 Ba4d7 Bb6d4 Bd7a4 Bd4e3 Ba4d7 Be3c5 Bd7b5 Bc5d4 Bb5d7 Bd4b6 Bd7b5 Bb6e3 Bb5d7
34 00:50 162.154.851 3.206.352 -1.41 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Kd7e8 Kd4e5 Ke8f7 Bf4d2 Bc2a4 Bd2g5 Ba4d7 Bg5f4 Bd7a4 Bf4g3 Ba4d7 Bg3f2 Bd7a4 Bf2b6 Ba4d7 Bb6d4 Bd7a4 Bd4e3 Ba4d7 Be3c5 Bd7b5 b2b3 Bb5c6 Bc5b6 Bc6b5 f3f4 Bb5d7 Bb6d4 Bd7b5 Bd4c5 Bb5d7 g2g4 Kf7e8 Ke5f6 Bd7c6
35 01:06 214.895.375 3.245.418 -1.37 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Kd7e8 Kd4e5 Ke8f7 Bf4d2 Bc2a4 Bd2g5 Ba4d7 Bg5f4 Bd7a4 Bf4g3 Ba4d7 Bg3f2 Bd7a4 Bf2b6 Ba4d7 Bb6d4 Bd7a4 Bd4e3 Ba4d7 Be3c5 Bd7b5 b2b3 Bb5c6 Bc5b6 Bc6b5 f3f4 Bb5d7 Bb6d4 Bd7b5 Bd4c5 Bb5d7 g2g3 Kf7e8 Bc5d4 Ke8f7 Bd4b6 Bd7b5
36 01:11 230.778.180 3.247.286 -1.41 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Kd7e8 Kd4e5 Ke8f7 Bf4d2 Bc2a4 Bd2g5 Ba4d7 Bg5f4 Bd7a4 Bf4g3 Ba4d7 Bg3f2 Bd7a4 Bf2b6 Ba4d7 Ke5f4 Kf7f6 Bb6d4+ e6e5+ Bd4xe5+ Kf6e6 Kf4e4 Bd7c6+ Ke4d4 Ke6d7 Be5f4 Bc6b5 Kd4e5 Bb5f1 g2g3 Bf1e2 Ke5e4 Be2b5 Bf4e5 Bb5e2 f3f4 h7h6 Ke4d5 Be2f3+ Kd5c5 Bf3e2 Be5f6 Be2d3 Bf6e5 Bd3e4 b2b4 Be4f5 Kc5b6 Bf5e4 Kb6c5
37 01:26 283.118.348 3.273.687 -1.41 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Kd7e8 Kd4e5 Ke8f7 Bf4d2 Bc2a4 Bd2g5 Ba4d7 Bg5f4 Bd7a4 Bf4g3 Ba4d7 Bg3f2 Bd7a4 Bf2b6 Ba4d7 Ke5f4 Kf7f6 Bb6d4+ e6e5+ Bd4xe5+ Kf6e6 Kf4e4 Bd7c6+ Ke4d4 Ke6d7 Be5f4 Bc6b5 Kd4e5 Bb5f1 g2g3 Bf1e2 Ke5e4 Be2b5 Bf4e5 Bb5e2 f3f4 h7h6 Ke4d5 Be2f3+ Kd5c5 Bf3e4 g3g4 Be4d3 Kc5d4 Bd3e2 f4f5 g6g5 h4xg5 h6xg5 f5f6 Be2xg4 f6f7
38 01:42 335.710.139 3.280.822 -1.41 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Kd7e8 Kd4e5 Ke8f7 Bf4d2 Bc2a4 Bd2g5 Ba4d7 Bg5f4 Bd7a4 Bf4g3 Ba4d7 Bg3f2 Bd7a4 Bf2b6 Ba4d7 Ke5f4 Kf7f6 Bb6d4+ e6e5+ Bd4xe5+ Kf6e6 Kf4e4 Bd7c6+ Ke4d4 Ke6d7 Be5f4 Bc6b5 Kd4e5 Bb5f1 g2g3 Bf1e2 Ke5e4 Be2b5 Bf4e5 Bb5e2 f3f4 h7h6 Ke4d5 Be2f3+ Kd5c5 h6h5 Kc5d4 Bf3c6 Kd4c5 Bc6f3
39 02:00 395.794.468 3.293.539 -1.41 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Kd7e8 Kd4e5 Ke8f7 Bf4d2 Bc2a4 Bd2g5 Ba4d7 Bg5f4 Bd7a4 Bf4g3 Ba4d7 Bg3f2 Bd7a4 Bf2b6 Ba4d7 Ke5f4 Kf7f6 Bb6d4+ e6e5+ Bd4xe5+ Kf6e6 Kf4e4 Bd7c6+ Ke4d4 Ke6d7 Be5f4 Bc6b5 Kd4e5 Bb5f1 g2g3 Bf1e2 Ke5e4 Be2b5 Bf4e5 Bb5e2 f3f4 Be2d1 Ke4d4 Bd1c2 Kd4c5 Bc2d1 Kc5b6 Bd1f3 b2b4 h7h5 b4b5
40 02:27 488.132.224 3.312.784 -1.41 Bf5c2 Ke3d4 Kd7e8 Kd4e5 Ke8f7 Bf4d2 Bc2a4 Bd2g5 Ba4d7 Bg5f4 Bd7a4 Bf4g3 Ba4d7 Bg3f2 Bd7a4 Bf2b6 Ba4c6 b2b3 Bc6d7 Bb6c5 Kf7g7 g2g4 Kg7f7 Bc5e3 Kf7e8 Be3g5 Ke8f7 Bg5d8 Kf7e8 Bd8b6 Ke8f7 Bb6c5 Bd7c8 Bc5d4 Bc8d7 b3b4 Bd7a4 Bd4b6 Ba4d7 Bb6e3 Kf7e8 Be3d4 Ke8f7 Bd4e3

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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

Post by Milos » Tue May 04, 2010 3:26 pm

Sven Schüle wrote:Displaying "+1.XX" does not mean that the position is won. In this case, with unlike bishops and no way for White to make progress, it is simply a draw but the engines have a hard time to see that.
You seams to be able only to think binary. Not draw != win. On the other hand, having no change in terms of score even after next 10-15 moves doesn't really mean it's a certain draw. Following you supreme logic means that the game is a certain draw even before it started.
I suggest you try the following experiment. Run a MC from a given position with and if you get that white wins less than 60% you can claim draw.

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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

Post by AdminX » Tue May 04, 2010 3:27 pm

[d]8/1p3k1p/p2Pp1p1/Pb6/3B1K1P/5P2/1P4P1/8 w - - 0 42
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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

Post by Milos » Tue May 04, 2010 3:27 pm

Uri Blass wrote:I can add that h6 is not the move that is suggested by the best endgame engine
Something with that level of pruning certainly cannot be the best endgame engine ;).

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Re: Topalov vs Anand Gmae 8

Post by Sven » Tue May 04, 2010 3:30 pm

Milos wrote:
Sven Schüle wrote:Displaying "+1.XX" does not mean that the position is won. In this case, with unlike bishops and no way for White to make progress, it is simply a draw but the engines have a hard time to see that.
You seams to be able only to think binary. Not draw != win. On the other hand, having no change in terms of score even after next 10-15 moves doesn't really mean it's a certain draw. Following you supreme logic means that the game is a certain draw even before it started.
I suggest you try the following experiment. Run a MC from a given position with and if you get that white wins less than 60% you can claim draw.
I invite you to come back to that discussion after you have learned more about this type of chess endgames, and after you have also realized why current engines evaluate it as +1.XX.

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