Anand vs Topalov Game 11

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Re: Anand vs Topalov Game 11

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Sun May 09, 2010 5:09 pm

Dayffd wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Exactly my thoughts....
Now the nightmare for Anand is about to begin :cry:
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OTOH, maybe it is not so easy. Exchange rooks, the white knight goes to c8 and ends up selling itself for both queenside pawns and then pushing the g-pawn would draw, would it not?
This is a good scenario yes,but will it be realized OTB :!: :?:
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Re: Anand vs Topalov Game 11

Post by Aser Huerga » Sun May 09, 2010 5:09 pm

[D]8/p2r2k1/5pN1/1pn2PPK/8/4R3/8/8 w - -
Engine: Shredder 12 UCI 32-bit (128 MB)
Stefan Meyer-Kahlen

18 3:10 -0.06 59.Nf4 fxg5 60.Kxg5 b4 61.Re5 Nb7 62.f6+ Kf7 63.Rb5 Nd6 64.Rxb4 Ne8 65.Kf5 Nxf6 66.Rb5 Ne8 67.Ke5 Re7+
17 1:46 -0.72 59.Re8 b4 60.Rc8 Nd3 61.Kg4 Nf2+ 62.Kf3 Nh3 63.gxf6+ Kxf6 64.Rf8+ Rf7 65.Rb8 a5 66.Kg3 Ng1 67.Kg4 Ne2 68.Rb6+ Kg7 69.Ne5 Rf6
17 1:29 -0.97 59.Re1 b4 60.Nf4 fxg5 61.Ne6+ Nxe6 62.fxe6 Rd8 63.Kxg5 Rd5+ 64.Kf4 Kf8 65.Ke4 Rd6 66.Rf1+ Ke7
17 1:54 -0.97 59.Re2 b4 60.Nf4 fxg5 61.Ne6+ Nxe6
17 2:53 -1.43 59.Ne5 fxe5 60.f6+ Kf7 61.Rxe5 Rc7 62.Rf5 Ne4 63.Rxb5 Nc5 64.Rb8 Nd3 65.Ra8 Ne5 66.Rh8 Ke6 67.Re8+ Kf5 68.Re7 Rc8 69.Kh6 Nc6
average search depth 18 half-moves after 3:10 min; evaluation -0.06 means the position is even

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Re: Anand vs Topalov Game 11

Post by gerold » Sun May 09, 2010 5:10 pm

Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Dayffd wrote:
Aser Huerga wrote:
Dayffd wrote:
How does white save the knight?
Td7+

Which would be followed by ...Ke8 and that looks rather promising for black. OTOH, Nh4 looks to save the knight, but now black's Q-side pawns can start rolling - I think.
Exactly my thoughts....
Now the nightmare for Anand is about to begin :cry:
Dr.D
Why? It's a draw.


It's not....Topalov is too aggressive in his playing style and he won't miss this opportunity,unless he chickens out....
Dr.D
Black lost his chance when he did not push the a pawn when
he had the chance. Now he can push the a pawn and try
to win.It may be to late.

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Re: Anand vs Topalov Game 11

Post by yanquis1972 » Sun May 09, 2010 5:12 pm

Uri Blass wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Dayffd wrote:
Aser Huerga wrote:
Dayffd wrote:
How does white save the knight?
Td7+

Which would be followed by ...Ke8 and that looks rather promising for black. OTOH, Nh4 looks to save the knight, but now black's Q-side pawns can start rolling - I think.
Exactly my thoughts....
Now the nightmare for Anand is about to begin :cry:
Dr.D
Why? It's a draw.
It's not....Topalov is too aggressive in his playing style and he won't miss this opportunity,unless he chickens out....
Dr.D
Stockfish say that it is a draw so I believe that it is a draw.

Uri
in talking about this game, yes, the computers seem to have boiled it down to a draw for some time. but in talking about the outcome of the game it's important to trust in anand than stockfish. :)

wael is correct, topa is pushing and anand will have to walk a tightrope before they shake hands.

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Re: Anand vs Topalov Game 11

Post by Aser Huerga » Sun May 09, 2010 5:14 pm

[D]8/p2r2k1/5p2/2n2PPK/1p3N2/4R3/8/8 w - -
Engine: Shredder 12 UCI 32-bit (128 MB)
Stefan Meyer-Kahlen

17 0:43 0.00 60.g6 a5 61.Re8 Rd4 62.Re7+ Kf8 63.Rf7+ Kg8 64.Ne6 Nxe6 65.fxe6 Rd5+ 66.Kh6 Rd1 67.Rxf6 Rh1+ 68.Kg5 Rg1+ 69.Kh6 Rh1+ 70.Kg5 Rg1+ 71.Kh6 Rh1+
17 1:37 -0.35 60.Kg4 fxg5 61.Kxg5 b3 62.Ne6+ Nxe6+ 63.fxe6 Rd5+ 64.Kf4 b2 65.Rb3 Rd2 66.Ke3 Rh2 67.Kd4 Kf6 68.Kc3 Kxe6 69.Rxb2 Rh1 70.Kb4 Ra1
17 0:49 -0.60 60.Ne6+ Nxe6 61.fxe6 Rd8 62.Rf3 Rf8 63.Rf5 fxg5 64.e7 Rh8+ 65.Kxg5 Rb8 66.e8Q Rxe8
17 1:03 -0.88 60.Re2 fxg5 61.Ne6+ Nxe6 62.fxe6 Rd8 63.Kxg5
16 0:33 -1.19 60.Re1 fxg5 61.Ne6+ Nxe6 62.fxe6 Rd8 63.Kxg5
average search depth 17 half-moves after 1:36 min; evaluation 0.00 means the position is even

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Re: Anand vs Topalov Game 11

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Sun May 09, 2010 5:14 pm

Aser Huerga wrote:Could a rook and a+b pawns wins against rook + knight?
The black passed pawns are extremely dangerous....besides the fact that the white knight is stucked on the king side,things are not looking good for Anand....
I recall similar positions from Botvinnik's games and the guy almost always grabs the full point with black....
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Re: Anand vs Topalov Game 11

Post by Aser Huerga » Sun May 09, 2010 5:17 pm

[D]8/p2r2k1/5pP1/2n2P1K/5N2/1p2R3/8/8 w - -
Engine: Shredder 12 UCI 32-bit (128 MB)
Stefan Meyer-Kahlen

19 1:12 0.00 61.Rc3 Rd4 62.Rxc5 Rxf4 63.Rb5 Rf3 64.Rb7+ Kg8 65.Rxa7 Rf2 66.Rb7 b2 67.g7 Kh7 68.g8Q+ Kxg8
19 1:22 0.00 61.Re8 Rd1 62.Rb8 Rh1+ 63.Kg4 Rg1+ 64.Kh4 Rh1+ 65.Kg4 Rg1+ 66.Kh4 Rh1+ 67.Kg4
18 0:47 -1.58 61.Ne6+ Nxe6 62.fxe6 Rd5+ 63.Kg4 b2 64.Rb3 Rd2 65.e7 Re2 66.Kf4 Rxe7 67.Rxb2 Kxg6 68.Rg2+ Kf7 69.Ra2 Rd7 70.Ra6 Kg6 71.Ra2 Rb7 72.Ra5
18 0:52 -1.63 61.Re2 Rb7 62.Nd5 b2 63.Nc3 Nd3 64.Re8 Rc7 65.Rb8 Nf4+ 66.Kg4 Nxg6 67.fxg6 Rxc3 68.Rxb2 Ra3
18 1:05 -1.93 61.Re1 b2 62.Ne6+ Nxe6 63.fxe6 Re7 64.Rb1 Rxe6 65.Rxb2 Re5+ 66.Kg4 Kxg6 67.Kf4 Rf5+ 68.Ke4 Ra5 69.Rb8 f5+
average search depth 19 half-moves after 1:21 min; evaluation 0.00 means the position is even


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Re: Anand vs Topalov Game 11

Post by AdminX » Sun May 09, 2010 5:17 pm

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Re: Anand vs Topalov Game 11

Post by Uri Blass » Sun May 09, 2010 5:22 pm

topalov may also lose the game(for example if he blunders by
61.Rc3 b2??)

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Re: Anand vs Topalov Game 11

Post by Sven » Sun May 09, 2010 5:23 pm

AdminX wrote:[d]8/p2r2k1/5pP1/2n2P1K/5N2/1p2R3/8/8 w - - 0 61
Now watch out for this variation: on 61.Rc3!, if Topalov would play 61...b2?? 62.Rxc5! b1=Q? :shock: :-)

For this reason Topalov must answer 61...Rd4, and the rook ending will be quite drawish.

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