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This is why I love Junior

Post by Robert Flesher » Fri May 14, 2010 9:14 pm

Deep Junior is just 1/2 point behind Rybak in the Thüringen 2010 tournament. This is a beautiful game vs Fire 1.3.

[Event "Thüringen 2010"]
[Site "Triebes"]
[Date "2010.05.14"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Deep Junior 11.2 UCI"]
[Black "Fire 1.3"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C91"]
[PlyCount "195"]
[EventDate "2010.05.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[TimeControl "9000"]

{1024MB, Junior11.ctg, Q-9550} 1. e4 {0.00/0 0} e5 {10} 2. Nf3 {0.00/0 0} Nc6 {
4} 3. Bb5 {0.00/0 0} a6 {3} 4. Ba4 {0.00/0 0} Nf6 {3} 5. O-O {0.00/0 0} Be7 {4}
6. Re1 {0.00/0 0} b5 {3} 7. Bb3 {0.00/0 0} d6 {3} 8. c3 {0.00/0 0} O-O {5} 9.
d4 {0.00/0 0} Bg4 {5} 10. d5 {0.00/0 0} Na5 {4} 11. Bc2 {0.00/0 0} c6 {4} 12.
h3 {0.00/0 0} Bxf3 {4} 13. Qxf3 {0.00/0 0} cxd5 {5} 14. exd5 {0.00/0 0} Nc4 {4}
15. Nd2 {0.00/0 0} Nb6 {4} 16. Nf1 {0.00/0 0} Nbxd5 {4} 17. Ng3 {0.00/0 0} Re8
{4} 18. Bg5 {0.27/20 259} h6 {167} 19. Bxf6 {0.31/21 108} Nxf6 {356} 20. Bb3 {
0.30/23 0} g6 {(Lf8) 179} 21. Rad1 {0.31/21 498} Kg7 {268} 22. Ne4 {0.24/21 0}
Ra7 {(Tb8) 132} 23. a4 {0.26/20 248} bxa4 {(Tf8) 139} 24. Bxa4 {0.13/20 241}
Rf8 {747} 25. Nxf6 {-0.02/21 0} Bxf6 {138} 26. Bc6 {-0.01/22 1274} Qb8 {
(Lg5) 66} 27. Re2 {0.03/20 119} Be7 {(Lg5) 461} 28. b4 {-0.10/21 427} f5 {
(Tc7) 164} 29. Ra2 {-0.01/21 139} Rc8 {11} 30. Bd5 {-0.37/23 520} e4 {198} 31.
Qe3 {-0.42/22 171} Bg5 {(Tac7) 15} 32. Qe1 {-0.41/20 153} Qb6 {15} 33. g3 {
-0.40/20 113} e3 {181} 34. Rd3 {-0.40/20 0} Re7 {51} 35. f4 {-0.37/21 133} Bf6
{12} 36. Re2 {-0.30/20 101} Rec7 {60} 37. Rc2 {-0.25/20 33} Re8 {(Kh7) 126} 38.
Re2 {-0.21/21 215} Rce7 {12} 39. c4 {-0.10/23 147} Rb8 {(g5) 42} 40. Rb3 {
-0.09/21 142} Kh8 {(Dd4) 267} 41. Kf1 {-0.09/23 144} Rbe8 {145} 42. h4 {
-0.07/24 104} h5 {(Kg7) 145} 43. Rd3 {0.00/26 128} Kg7 {(Kh7) 216} 44. Kg2 {
-0.01/25 196} Kh6 {(Kh7) 58} 45. Kf1 {-0.01/26 74} Bd4 {(Kh7) 137} 46. Qd1 {
-0.01/24 85} Bh8 {164} 47. Qe1 {-0.01/24 0} Bf6 {(Kh7) 64} 48. Rb3 {
-0.01/25 172} Bd4 {(Kh7) 169} 49. Qd1 {-0.01/24 66} Bh8 {(Kg7) 11} 50. Bf3 {
0.00/22 74} Rc8 {259} 51. Qd5 {0.00/23 0} Bf6 {(Lg7) 359} 52. Rc2 {0.01/20 61}
Rec7 {358} 53. Qd3 {0.01/22 0} a5 {(Tb8) 111} 54. b5 {0.00/22 97} Bd4 {141} 55.
Ra3 {0.01/23 0} Bc5 {(Kh7) 11} 56. Raa2 {0.00/22 174} Bb4 {105} 57. Bd5 {
-0.02/22 0} Bd2 {142} 58. Qe2 {-0.05/21 28} Ra7 {(Dd4) 175} 59. Rcb2 {
-0.01/20 148} a4 {(Tb8) 99} 60. Qd3 {0.19/21 46} Ra5 {(Kh7) 489} 61. Rb1 {
0.23/20 80} Rc7 {(Kg7) 207} 62. Ke2 {0.56/21 90} Rc8 {(Taa7) 179} 63. Qa3 {
0.77/21 57} Rf8 {235} 64. Qb2 {1.33/23 84} Kh7 {(Dc5) 159} 65. Ra3 {1.33/21 49}
Kh6 {99} 66. Rba1 {1.32/23 0} Qa7 {(Dc7) 75} 67. R3a2 {0.85/24 800} Kh7 {161}
68. Bc6 {0.67/23 371} Rc8 {(Tb8) 125} 69. Ra3 {1.20/21 13} Rc7 {10} 70. Rd3 {
1.20/18 8} Qc5 {(Tg7) 519} 71. Bd5 {1.52/19 18} Rg7 {(Db4) 29} 72. b6 {
1.68/19 12} Qc8 {(Lb4) 12} 73. b7 {2.18/20 31} Qb8 {5} 74. Rb1 {2.18/19 31} Ra6
{(Kh6) 263} 75. c5 {3.88/19 25} Kh6 {57} 76. Qf6 {4.80/20 0} a3 {81} 77. c6 {
5.75/20 0} Kh7 {(a2) 337} 78. Qe6 {7.03/20 35} a2 {182} 79. Ra1 {8.43/21 0} Ba5
{247} 80. Rxa2 {8.91/23 0} Qa7 {79} 81. Qc8 {9.40/22 58} Bc7 {10} 82. Rxa6 {
9.88/20 43} Qc5 {9} 83. Bb3 {10.36/19 11} Qc1 {62} 84. Rxe3 {13.21/20 0} Qb2+ {
55} 85. Kf1 {18.36/17 56} Qc1+ {186} 86. Kf2 {#14/20 0} Qh1 {(Db2+) 139} 87.
Ra8 {#13/17 5} Qh2+ {7} 88. Ke1 {#11/19 18} Ba5+ {20} 89. Rxa5 {#10/20 0} Qg1+
{10} 90. Kd2 {#9/23 17} Qf2+ {8} 91. Re2 {#9/21 5} Qd4+ {6} 92. Kc2 {#9/21 0}
Qb6 {39} 93. b8=Q {#6/22 0} Qxb8 {12} 94. Qxb8 {#5/24 0} Kh6 {(d5) 8} 95. Qh8+
{#4/25 11} Rh7 {5} 96. Qf8+ {#3/39 6} Rg7 {5} 97. Ra7 {#2/50 9} Kh7 {(d5) 14}
98. Qxg7# {#1/46 11} 1-0

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Re: This is why I love Junior

Post by AdminX » Fri May 14, 2010 10:24 pm

What had happened was ... :roll:

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Re: This is why I love Junior

Post by Robert Flesher » Fri May 14, 2010 10:41 pm

When you look at this position, most would NEVER dream white could get connected passers!

[d]1q3r2/r3bpk1/p1Bp2pp/4p3/8/2P2Q1P/1P2RPP1/3R2K1 w - - 0 28





However, move 76 we have this position.

[d]1q6/1P4r1/r1Pp1Qpk/3B1p1p/5P1P/p2Rp1P1/3bK3/1R6 b - - 0 77





So let's see, Junior was a pawn down, and ended up with this position. Stunning!
I guess some do not see that transition as beautiful. Pity for them! I for one think the game was nothing short of masterful genius. Capiche?

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Re: This is why I love Junior

Post by AdminX » Fri May 14, 2010 10:43 pm

Capiche! :D
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Re: This is why I love Junior

Post by AdminX » Sat May 15, 2010 10:31 am

Looking over the game with Stockfish it appears that black started to lose the thread around move 61. ... Rc7. Stockfish thinks that 61. ... Rb8 was better.

Black to Play
[d]2r5/8/1q1p2pk/rP1B1p1p/p1P2P1P/3Qp1P1/R2b4/1R3K2 b - - 0 61

Position at move 60, Stockfish evals as equal.
Deep Junior 11.2 UCI - Fire 1.3, Thüringen 2010 2010
[d]2r5/r7/1q1p2pk/1P1B1p1p/p1P2P1P/3Qp1P1/RR1b4/5K2 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Stockfish 1.7.1 JA 64bit:

60...Re8 61.Ke2 Kg7 62.Bf3 Kf6 63.Rb1 Rb8 64.Kf1 a3 65.Rxa3 Rxa3 66.Qxa3
-+ (-1.45) Depth: 6 00:00:00 5kN
= (-0.24 --) Depth: 27 00:04:31 781mN

After 61. ... Rc7 Stockfish evals start to climb
Deep Junior 11.2 UCI - Fire 1.3, Thüringen 2010 2010
[d]8/2r5/1q1p2pk/rP1B1p1p/p1P2P1P/3Qp1P1/R2b4/1R3K2 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Stockfish 1.7.1 JA 64bit:

62.Rba1 Qa7 63.Rb1 Qb6
= (0.00) Depth: 6 00:00:00 5kN
= (0.00) Depth: 14 00:00:00 188kN

62.Ke2 a3 63.Qb3 Rca7 64.Rba1 Re7 65.Rxa3 Rxa3 66.Qxa3 Qd4 67.Rd1 Kh7 68.Qxd6
= (0.04) Depth: 14 00:00:00 275kN
+/- (0.88 ++) Depth: 29 00:04:29 763mN


By move 63. Stockfish see a winning advantage for white.
Deep Junior 11.2 UCI - Fire 1.3, Thüringen 2010 2010
[d]2r5/8/1q1p2pk/rP1B1p1p/p1P2P1P/Q3p1P1/R2bK3/1R6 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Stockfish 1.7.1 JA 64bit:

63...Re8 64.Qb2 Rf8 65.Rba1 Qa7 66.b6 Qa6 67.b7 Rb8
-/+ (-0.84) Depth: 6 00:00:00 8kN
= (0.08) Depth: 7 00:00:00 16kN

63...Rf8 64.Qb2 Qc5 65.b6 a3 66.Qb3 Rb8 67.b7 Ra6 68.Qd3 Ra4 69.Rb3 Qc7 70.Qd4 Bc1 71.Kd1 Bd2 72.Raxa3 Qd7 73.Rxe3 Bxe3 74.Qxe3 Rxa3 75.Qxa3
= (0.00) Depth: 7 00:00:00 17kN
+/- (0.88 --) Depth: 19 00:00:02 5866kN

63...Re8 64.Qb2 Rf8 65.Rba1 Qa7 66.Ra3 Kh7 67.b6 Qa6 68.Qd4 Rxd5 69.Qxd5 Qxb6 70.Qb5 Qd4 71.Rb1 Bc3 72.Qd5 Qf6 73.Rxa4 Bd4 74.Ra6 Bc5 75.Ra8 Rxa8 76.Qxa8 Kg7 77.Qb7+ Kh6
+/= (0.56 ++) Depth: 19 00:00:03 6642kN
+/- (1.25) Depth: 23 00:00:26 64144kN

63...Kh7 64.Qb2 Kh6 65.Qf6 Ra7 66.Bf7 Rxf7 67.Qxf7 Ba5 68.Rxa4 Qd4 69.Qd5
+/- (0.92) Depth: 23 00:00:32 82323kN
+- (1.65 --) Depth: 27 00:03:29 592mN
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Re: This is why I love Junior

Post by Robert Flesher » Sat May 15, 2010 10:57 am

AdminX wrote:Looking over the game with Stockfish it appears that black started to lose the thread around move 61. ... Rc7. Stockfish thinks that 61. ... Rb8 was better.

Black to Play
[d]2r5/8/1q1p2pk/rP1B1p1p/p1P2P1P/3Qp1P1/R2b4/1R3K2 b - - 0 61

Position at move 60, Stockfish evals as equal.
Deep Junior 11.2 UCI - Fire 1.3, Thüringen 2010 2010
[d]2r5/r7/1q1p2pk/1P1B1p1p/p1P2P1P/3Qp1P1/RR1b4/5K2 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Stockfish 1.7.1 JA 64bit:

60...Re8 61.Ke2 Kg7 62.Bf3 Kf6 63.Rb1 Rb8 64.Kf1 a3 65.Rxa3 Rxa3 66.Qxa3
-+ (-1.45) Depth: 6 00:00:00 5kN
= (-0.24 --) Depth: 27 00:04:31 781mN

After 61. ... Rc7 Stockfish evals start to climb
Deep Junior 11.2 UCI - Fire 1.3, Thüringen 2010 2010
[d]8/2r5/1q1p2pk/rP1B1p1p/p1P2P1P/3Qp1P1/R2b4/1R3K2 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Stockfish 1.7.1 JA 64bit:

62.Rba1 Qa7 63.Rb1 Qb6
= (0.00) Depth: 6 00:00:00 5kN
= (0.00) Depth: 14 00:00:00 188kN

62.Ke2 a3 63.Qb3 Rca7 64.Rba1 Re7 65.Rxa3 Rxa3 66.Qxa3 Qd4 67.Rd1 Kh7 68.Qxd6
= (0.04) Depth: 14 00:00:00 275kN
+/- (0.88 ++) Depth: 29 00:04:29 763mN


By move 63. Stockfish see a winning advantage for white.
Deep Junior 11.2 UCI - Fire 1.3, Thüringen 2010 2010
[d]2r5/8/1q1p2pk/rP1B1p1p/p1P2P1P/Q3p1P1/R2bK3/1R6 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Stockfish 1.7.1 JA 64bit:

63...Re8 64.Qb2 Rf8 65.Rba1 Qa7 66.b6 Qa6 67.b7 Rb8
-/+ (-0.84) Depth: 6 00:00:00 8kN
= (0.08) Depth: 7 00:00:00 16kN

63...Rf8 64.Qb2 Qc5 65.b6 a3 66.Qb3 Rb8 67.b7 Ra6 68.Qd3 Ra4 69.Rb3 Qc7 70.Qd4 Bc1 71.Kd1 Bd2 72.Raxa3 Qd7 73.Rxe3 Bxe3 74.Qxe3 Rxa3 75.Qxa3
= (0.00) Depth: 7 00:00:00 17kN
+/- (0.88 --) Depth: 19 00:00:02 5866kN

63...Re8 64.Qb2 Rf8 65.Rba1 Qa7 66.Ra3 Kh7 67.b6 Qa6 68.Qd4 Rxd5 69.Qxd5 Qxb6 70.Qb5 Qd4 71.Rb1 Bc3 72.Qd5 Qf6 73.Rxa4 Bd4 74.Ra6 Bc5 75.Ra8 Rxa8 76.Qxa8 Kg7 77.Qb7+ Kh6
+/= (0.56 ++) Depth: 19 00:00:03 6642kN
+/- (1.25) Depth: 23 00:00:26 64144kN

63...Kh7 64.Qb2 Kh6 65.Qf6 Ra7 66.Bf7 Rxf7 67.Qxf7 Ba5 68.Rxa4 Qd4 69.Qd5
+/- (0.92) Depth: 23 00:00:32 82323kN
+- (1.65 --) Depth: 27 00:03:29 592mN

Indeed I believe many engine will see the win from many positions. But, will they be able to get connected passers from this position ?


[d]1q3r2/r3bpk1/p1Bp2pp/4p3/8/2P2Q1P/1P2RPP1/3R2K1 w - - 0 28
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Re: This is why I love Junior

Post by Kurt Utzinger » Sat May 15, 2010 12:40 pm

Hi Robert
Deep Junior 11.1a has indeed played some interesting games. In almost every game Junior was a pawn down with some compensation. But at the end it was almost always Junior to get the win.
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Re: This is why I love Junior

Post by Damir » Sat May 15, 2010 1:03 pm

Robert Flesher wrote:Deep Junior is just 1/2 point behind Rybak in the Thüringen 2010 tournament. This is a beautiful game vs Fire 1.3.

[Event "Thüringen 2010"]
[Site "Triebes"]
[Date "2010.05.14"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Deep Junior 11.2 UCI"]
[Black "Fire 1.3"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C91"]
[PlyCount "195"]
[EventDate "2010.05.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[TimeControl "9000"]

{1024MB, Junior11.ctg, Q-9550} 1. e4 {0.00/0 0} e5 {10} 2. Nf3 {0.00/0 0} Nc6 {
4} 3. Bb5 {0.00/0 0} a6 {3} 4. Ba4 {0.00/0 0} Nf6 {3} 5. O-O {0.00/0 0} Be7 {4}
6. Re1 {0.00/0 0} b5 {3} 7. Bb3 {0.00/0 0} d6 {3} 8. c3 {0.00/0 0} O-O {5} 9.
d4 {0.00/0 0} Bg4 {5} 10. d5 {0.00/0 0} Na5 {4} 11. Bc2 {0.00/0 0} c6 {4} 12.
h3 {0.00/0 0} Bxf3 {4} 13. Qxf3 {0.00/0 0} cxd5 {5} 14. exd5 {0.00/0 0} Nc4 {4}
15. Nd2 {0.00/0 0} Nb6 {4} 16. Nf1 {0.00/0 0} Nbxd5 {4} 17. Ng3 {0.00/0 0} Re8
{4} 18. Bg5 {0.27/20 259} h6 {167} 19. Bxf6 {0.31/21 108} Nxf6 {356} 20. Bb3 {
0.30/23 0} g6 {(Lf8) 179} 21. Rad1 {0.31/21 498} Kg7 {268} 22. Ne4 {0.24/21 0}
Ra7 {(Tb8) 132} 23. a4 {0.26/20 248} bxa4 {(Tf8) 139} 24. Bxa4 {0.13/20 241}
Rf8 {747} 25. Nxf6 {-0.02/21 0} Bxf6 {138} 26. Bc6 {-0.01/22 1274} Qb8 {
(Lg5) 66} 27. Re2 {0.03/20 119} Be7 {(Lg5) 461} 28. b4 {-0.10/21 427} f5 {
(Tc7) 164} 29. Ra2 {-0.01/21 139} Rc8 {11} 30. Bd5 {-0.37/23 520} e4 {198} 31.
Qe3 {-0.42/22 171} Bg5 {(Tac7) 15} 32. Qe1 {-0.41/20 153} Qb6 {15} 33. g3 {
-0.40/20 113} e3 {181} 34. Rd3 {-0.40/20 0} Re7 {51} 35. f4 {-0.37/21 133} Bf6
{12} 36. Re2 {-0.30/20 101} Rec7 {60} 37. Rc2 {-0.25/20 33} Re8 {(Kh7) 126} 38.
Re2 {-0.21/21 215} Rce7 {12} 39. c4 {-0.10/23 147} Rb8 {(g5) 42} 40. Rb3 {
-0.09/21 142} Kh8 {(Dd4) 267} 41. Kf1 {-0.09/23 144} Rbe8 {145} 42. h4 {
-0.07/24 104} h5 {(Kg7) 145} 43. Rd3 {0.00/26 128} Kg7 {(Kh7) 216} 44. Kg2 {
-0.01/25 196} Kh6 {(Kh7) 58} 45. Kf1 {-0.01/26 74} Bd4 {(Kh7) 137} 46. Qd1 {
-0.01/24 85} Bh8 {164} 47. Qe1 {-0.01/24 0} Bf6 {(Kh7) 64} 48. Rb3 {
-0.01/25 172} Bd4 {(Kh7) 169} 49. Qd1 {-0.01/24 66} Bh8 {(Kg7) 11} 50. Bf3 {
0.00/22 74} Rc8 {259} 51. Qd5 {0.00/23 0} Bf6 {(Lg7) 359} 52. Rc2 {0.01/20 61}
Rec7 {358} 53. Qd3 {0.01/22 0} a5 {(Tb8) 111} 54. b5 {0.00/22 97} Bd4 {141} 55.
Ra3 {0.01/23 0} Bc5 {(Kh7) 11} 56. Raa2 {0.00/22 174} Bb4 {105} 57. Bd5 {
-0.02/22 0} Bd2 {142} 58. Qe2 {-0.05/21 28} Ra7 {(Dd4) 175} 59. Rcb2 {
-0.01/20 148} a4 {(Tb8) 99} 60. Qd3 {0.19/21 46} Ra5 {(Kh7) 489} 61. Rb1 {
0.23/20 80} Rc7 {(Kg7) 207} 62. Ke2 {0.56/21 90} Rc8 {(Taa7) 179} 63. Qa3 {
0.77/21 57} Rf8 {235} 64. Qb2 {1.33/23 84} Kh7 {(Dc5) 159} 65. Ra3 {1.33/21 49}
Kh6 {99} 66. Rba1 {1.32/23 0} Qa7 {(Dc7) 75} 67. R3a2 {0.85/24 800} Kh7 {161}
68. Bc6 {0.67/23 371} Rc8 {(Tb8) 125} 69. Ra3 {1.20/21 13} Rc7 {10} 70. Rd3 {
1.20/18 8} Qc5 {(Tg7) 519} 71. Bd5 {1.52/19 18} Rg7 {(Db4) 29} 72. b6 {
1.68/19 12} Qc8 {(Lb4) 12} 73. b7 {2.18/20 31} Qb8 {5} 74. Rb1 {2.18/19 31} Ra6
{(Kh6) 263} 75. c5 {3.88/19 25} Kh6 {57} 76. Qf6 {4.80/20 0} a3 {81} 77. c6 {
5.75/20 0} Kh7 {(a2) 337} 78. Qe6 {7.03/20 35} a2 {182} 79. Ra1 {8.43/21 0} Ba5
{247} 80. Rxa2 {8.91/23 0} Qa7 {79} 81. Qc8 {9.40/22 58} Bc7 {10} 82. Rxa6 {
9.88/20 43} Qc5 {9} 83. Bb3 {10.36/19 11} Qc1 {62} 84. Rxe3 {13.21/20 0} Qb2+ {
55} 85. Kf1 {18.36/17 56} Qc1+ {186} 86. Kf2 {#14/20 0} Qh1 {(Db2+) 139} 87.
Ra8 {#13/17 5} Qh2+ {7} 88. Ke1 {#11/19 18} Ba5+ {20} 89. Rxa5 {#10/20 0} Qg1+
{10} 90. Kd2 {#9/23 17} Qf2+ {8} 91. Re2 {#9/21 5} Qd4+ {6} 92. Kc2 {#9/21 0}
Qb6 {39} 93. b8=Q {#6/22 0} Qxb8 {12} 94. Qxb8 {#5/24 0} Kh6 {(d5) 8} 95. Qh8+
{#4/25 11} Rh7 {5} 96. Qf8+ {#3/39 6} Rg7 {5} 97. Ra7 {#2/50 9} Kh7 {(d5) 14}
98. Qxg7# {#1/46 11} 1-0
Junior did not have a chance, had it not been for Fire's hardware unstability. When your engine restarts something like 3-4 times in a row, due to too much overclock. You are doomed to lose the game...
Another issue is the book. I heared that Fire played with no book at all.

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Re: This is why I love Junior

Post by AdminX » Sat May 15, 2010 1:09 pm

Damir wrote: Junior did not have a chance, had it not been for Fire's hardware unstability. When your engine restarts something like 3-4 times in a row, due to too much overclock. You are doomed to lose the game...
Another issue is the book. I heared that Fire played with no book at all.
And who's fault is that? Give credit where it's due. :roll: Junior won the game, and it was a nice one, no matter what the reason. :wink:
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Re: This is why I love Junior

Post by Dr.Ex » Sat May 15, 2010 1:22 pm

Nonsense, these are clearly book moves up to move 17.

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