Houdini 1.03a The New Nr 1 !!!

[De Vos W]

http://www.inwoba.de/bayeselo.html


Full list - including 2-core engines:

Name Elo + - games score oppo. draws

A Houdini 1.03a 2T * 2992 20 20 1000 78% 2790 33%
B Deep Rybka 4 2T 2976 15 15 1700 75% 2801 38%
C Houdini 1.02 2T * 2974 15 14 1700 73% 2816 39%
1 Houdini 1.03a * 2952 19 19 1000 73% 2790 34%
2 Deep Rybka 4 2944 13 13 2400 73% 2762 33%
D Rybka 3 mp 2T 2942 14 14 2100 75% 2763 34%
3 Houdini 1.02 * 2934 14 14 2100 77% 2733 33%
E Stockfish 1.7.1 JA 2T 2927 13 13 2000 70% 2786 40%
4 Rybka 3 mp 2897 9 9 5000 74% 2725 34%
5 Stockfish 1.8 JA 2895 13 13 2100 70% 2747 37%
6 Stockfish 1.7.1 JA 2882 10 10 3700 69% 2747 36%
F Naum 4.2 2T 2879 12 12 2100 61% 2804 42%
G Stockfish 1.6.x JA 2T 2862 14 14 1800 65% 2763 42%
7 Rybka 3 32b 2848 14 14 1800 70% 2712 36%
H Deep Shredder 12 2T 2833 12 12 2300 55% 2794 39%
8 Stockfish 1.6.x JA 2830 11 10 3200 65% 2723 39%
9 Naum 4 2T 2829 14 14 1600 60% 2761 41%
I Deep Fritz 12 32b 2T 2822 13 13 2100 52% 2807 44%
10 Naum 4.2 2815 10 9 3800 58% 2761 40%
11 Komodo 1.2 JA 2805 11 11 2800 54% 2774 40%
12 Rybka 2.3.2a mp 2801 11 11 3100 67% 2691 40%
13 Deep Shredder 12 UCI 32b 2800 9 9 4600 57% 2750 38%
14 Deep Shredder 12 2796 9 9 4900 58% 2742 37%
15 Critter 0.70 2785 12 12 2500 51% 2777 37%
16 Deep Fritz 12 32b 2783 10 10 3900 55% 2750 38%
17 Naum 4.1 2782 11 11 2900 59% 2722 40%
18 Komodo 1.0 JA 2778 10 10 3300 58% 2726 42%
J Zappa Mexico II 2T 2775 13 13 2100 46% 2804 43%
19 Naum 4 2772 10 10 3200 57% 2725 41%
Rybka 2.2n2 mp 2772 12 12 2200 62% 2694 40%
21 Rybka 1.2f 2761 12 12 2400 66% 2654 36%
Stockfish 1.5.1 JA 2761 13 13 2100 57% 2715 39%
23 Fritz 12 32b 2743 12 12 2100 54% 2715 41%
24 HIARCS 13.1 MP 32b 2735 11 11 2800 44% 2776 37%
25 Deep Fritz 11 32b 2725 16 16 1300 57% 2677 39%
26 Doch64 1.2 JA 2715 12 12 2200 46% 2743 40%
27 Stockfish 1.4 JA 2712 13 14 1800 49% 2718 38%
28 Zappa Mexico II 2710 8 7 7000 45% 2744 37%
Shredder Bonn 32b 2710 12 12 2200 51% 2705 36%
30 spark-0.4 2709 12 12 2400 41% 2779 36%
31 Protector 1.3.2 JA 2699 9 9 4600 42% 2759 37%
32 Deep Shredder 11 2693 11 11 2700 52% 2677 36%
Critter 0.60 2693 12 12 2700 44% 2740 35%
34 Doch64 09.980 JA 2686 14 14 1600 46% 2713 38%
35 Onno-1-1-1 2683 9 9 4500 42% 2739 39%
Naum 3.1 2683 11 11 3000 50% 2678 39%
37 Rybka 1.0 Beta 2681 14 14 1700 52% 2666 39%
38 Deep Onno 1-2-70 2680 12 12 2400 42% 2737 39%
Zappa Mexico I 2680 12 12 2200 56% 2645 41%
40 Spark-0.3 VC(a) 2675 9 9 4500 41% 2738 39%
Onno-1-0-0 2675 16 16 1200 50% 2677 41%
42 Deep Sjeng WC2008 2672 8 8 5900 40% 2740 36%
43 Deep Junior 11.2 2668 12 12 2400 39% 2746 31%
44 Toga II 1.4 beta5c BB 2666 8 8 6300 41% 2733 38%
45 Hiarcs 12.1 MP 32b 2658 8 8 6400 41% 2723 37%
46 Deep Sjeng 3.0 2657 15 15 1400 43% 2706 34%
47 Shredder Classic 4 32b 2648 13 13 1800 51% 2639 38%
48 Critter 0.52b 2647 11 11 2800 41% 2709 38%
49 Naum 2.2 32b 2640 15 15 1300 47% 2656 45%
50 Deep Junior 11.1a 2638 11 11 2900 41% 2703 34%
51 Deep Junior 2010 2635 10 10 3700 37% 2728 30%
52 Glaurung 2.2 JA 2633 11 11 2700 39% 2704 37%
53 Rybka 1.0 Beta 32b 2631 17 17 1100 46% 2657 37%
54 Fruit 05/11/03 32b 2625 9 9 4500 40% 2691 40%
HIARCS 11.2 32b 2625 13 13 1900 44% 2669 38%
56 Loop 13.6/2007 2612 9 9 4400 35% 2719 37%
Toga II 1.2.1a 2612 14 14 1600 45% 2649 41%
58 ListMP 11 2610 12 12 2600 38% 2693 37%
59 LoopMP 12 32b 2608 15 15 1500 42% 2659 38%
60 Deep Shredder 10 2603 9 9 4500 40% 2676 33%
61 Twisted Logic 20100131x 2599 11 10 3600 32% 2729 30%
62 Spike 1.2 Turin 32b 2580 8 8 6100 32% 2712 33%
63 Deep Sjeng 2.7 32b 2558 16 16 1400 33% 2673 36%
64 Crafty 23.1 JA 2546 11 11 3800 26% 2728 28%


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[Mark Mason]

Hi,

How do those results square with the one's posted here which suggest Deep Rybka 4 tops Houdini ?

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 7&start=20

[Graham Banks]

Hi,

How do those results square with the one's posted here which suggest Deep Rybka 4 tops Houdini ?

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 7&start=20

Must be a Belgian conspiracy.

[Leto]

Hi,

How do those results square with the one's posted here which suggest Deep Rybka 4 tops Houdini ?

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 7&start=20

Small player pool of 4, further hampered by two engines of the same family (Ivanhoe). Theoretically even if an engine loses to its three opponents, it could still be stronger overall.

[De Vos W]

Hi,

How do those results square with the one's posted here which suggest Deep Rybka 4 tops Houdini ?

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 7&start=20

Must be a Belgian conspiracy.

Conspiracy ? 100 Euro for Rybka 4, but I get better customer service from the free programs like Houdini 1.03a. A bug in Houdini and it is fixed with a new release in a few days. with a sorry from the programmer for putting out a version with a bug!! Maybe for you its Belgian conspiracy but for us its just Belgian service.
Bugs are bugs and they will show up from time to time. It is how the author reacts to the bugs that makes the difference. Does the author take care of his customers?
We don't expect Vasik Rajlich to give any of his customers money back, but to not fix what are now known problems is just disrespectful to his customers.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Hi,

How do those results square with the one's posted here which suggest Deep Rybka 4 tops Houdini ?

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 7&start=20

Must be a Belgian conspiracy.

Conspiracy ? 100 Euro for Rybka 4, but I get better customer service from the free programs like Houdini 1.03a. A bug in Houdini and it is fixed with a new release in a few days. with a sorry from the programmer for putting out a version with a bug!! Maybe for you its Belgian conspiracy but for us its just Belgian service.
Bugs are bugs and they will show up from time to time. It is how the author reacts to the bugs that makes the difference. Does the author take care of his customers?
We don't expect Vasik Rajlich to give any of his customers money back, but to not fix what are now known problems is just disrespectful to his customers.

Actually,I've come to the conclusion that Vasik is not only suffering from greed,he's also damn arrogant regarding his acts toward his customers....not that I give a damn anymore....
Dr.D

[James Constance]

You know what I mean. Within a year it will be entirely clear whether Ippolit is original or not, the same for Houdini. Why? Because if they are original, they will show considerable progress. If they are clones, the progress will be mediocre (simply due to bugfixes).

If Ippolit / Houdini were clones of Rybka 3, then they have already shown as much progress as Rybka 4 in terms of rating, so the skill that has gone into developing them seems at least equal to that put into Rybka!?

[S.Taylor]

Hi,

How do those results square with the one's posted here which suggest Deep Rybka 4 tops Houdini ?

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 7&start=20

Must be a Belgian conspiracy.

Conspiracy ? 100 Euro for Rybka 4, but I get better customer service from the free programs like Houdini 1.03a. A bug in Houdini and it is fixed with a new release in a few days. with a sorry from the programmer for putting out a version with a bug!! Maybe for you its Belgian conspiracy but for us its just Belgian service.
Bugs are bugs and they will show up from time to time. It is how the author reacts to the bugs that makes the difference. Does the author take care of his customers?
We don't expect Vasik Rajlich to give any of his customers money back, but to not fix what are now known problems is just disrespectful to his customers.

Actually,I've come to the conclusion that Vasik is not only suffering from greed,he's also damn arrogant regarding his acts toward his customers....not that I give a damn anymore....
Dr.D

Greed and arrogance, in such situations, is very normal. He used to be nice at the beginning, didn't he?

The world isn't such a rosy place like it used to be.

Bearing that in mind, Vas is OK, people simply have to bow down to him, and he will be as giving as he feels is appropriate.

He also seems to have given us the strongest machine to date, clearly a head and shoulders above all others (at long time controls....... see Martin Thorsten matches. The next 2 come nowhere near!)

[James Constance]

As Ippo is only better at fast controls, I guess its gain is merely due to removing obfuscation code.

Why do you think Ippo is only better at fast controls? What obfuscation code do you mean?

[Matthias Gemuh]

Within a year it will be entirely clear whether Ippolit is original or not, the same for Houdini. Why? Because if they are original, they will show considerable progress.

Where there is no money to earn, the motivation to improve an engine may be very limited.

Matthias.