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Stockfish is already accused of cloning....

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:19 pm

....in the Rybka forum....
And above all this by the support of the moderators....

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... ?tid=20098

An impressive achievement indeed by the Rybka team....keep up the dirty good work of yours....
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Re: Stockfish is already accused of cloning....

Post by Damir » Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:28 pm

hmmm, I haven't read anywhere where SF is accused of cloning...

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Re: Stockfish is already accused of cloning....

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:30 pm

Damir wrote:hmmm, I haven't read anywhere where SF is accused of cloning...
Read between the lines....they are smart,not a bull head attakers....
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Re: Stockfish is already accused of cloning....

Post by Damir » Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:58 pm

As far as I can see/read they are discussing rating lists, + engine knowledge, what makes them so strong and different compared to the others.. However, I did notice this sentence.

Must be some guys who copied stuff out of released source code and now know everything about chess programming, when compared who Marco and Cozzie are.

It only displays his lack of knowledge of these authors, not that he accuses them of beeing cloners...

He even appologised.

Because Rybka has a very unique approach, other programs are much better to take ideas from. I don't want to attack these people personally, they are all intelligent and skilled coders.

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Re: Unwashed masses.................

Post by Sylwy » Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:07 pm

Damir wrote: Must be some guys who copied stuff out of released source code and now know everything about chess programming, when compared who Marco and Cozzie are.

It only displays his lack of knowledge of these authors, not that he accuses them of beeing cloners...
Like the Great Anthony Cozzie said years ago !

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Re: Stockfish is already accused of cloning....

Post by SchachProfi » Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:15 pm

Yes, don't take too serious what chess writes in that thread, i guess he is just a little frustrated because his own approaches where pretty limited in success... :lol:

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Re: Stockfish is already accused of cloning....

Post by zamar » Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:30 pm

Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:....in the Rybka forum....
And above all this by the support of the moderators....

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... ?tid=20098
He stated that Stockfish has no real chess knowledge in it and is superior to many other engines only because it sees a couple of plies deeper. I think that is not too far from the truth.
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Re: Stockfish is already accused of cloning....

Post by Laskos » Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:39 pm

zamar wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:....in the Rybka forum....
And above all this by the support of the moderators....

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... ?tid=20098
He stated that Stockfish has no real chess knowledge in it and is superior to many other engines only because it sees a couple of plies deeper. I think that is not too far from the truth.
I predict that in 2-3 months Stockfish will be unable to make new moves. If not a clone, I am not sure.

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Re: Stockfish is already accused of cloning....

Post by Lion » Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:46 pm

Houdini is considered as a clone also ?

I dont care, because as long as a programm is about 50 ELO better, that means they have added they own progress/knowledge.

Same for Rybka which at a certain point could have been considered as a clone of an other engine as Vas used also open source to improve is own engine.

I do not consider Houdini a clone since it is clearly stronger than Rybka 4.

Stockfish for me is neither a clone since the output of the engine is so different.

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Re: Stockfish is already accused of cloning....

Post by Mincho Georgiev » Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:50 pm

Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:....in the Rybka forum....
And above all this by the support of the moderators....

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... ?tid=20098

An impressive achievement indeed by the Rybka team....keep up the dirty good work of yours....
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p.s. By the way, the OP from the rybka forum is on a subject that was always been interesting to me, i.e. - testing at least the reference engine of the rating list against highly rated human (FIDE preferable).

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