I don't expect any miracles for GM Nakamura this time

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pichy
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Re: I don't expect any miracles for GM Nakamura this time

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tano-urayoan wrote:How many category 18 > tournaments have Nakamura won in his career?
And how many category 18> tournaments GM Nakamura has been invited in the past? The possibility can only increase based on the percentage of particition, but the possibility still hold true for any 2750> player not just GM Nakamura.
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Re: I don't expect any miracles for GM Nakamura this time

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pichy wrote:
tano-urayoan wrote:How many category 18 > tournaments have Nakamura won in his career?
And how many category 18> tournaments GM Nakamura has been invited in the past? The possibility can only increase based on the percentage of particition, but the possibility still hold true for any 2750> player not just GM Nakamura.
Well, don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Nakamura and his extremely dynamic style and ability to stir things up at even the highest level. I'll even add that he is almost the exact counter-argument for the comments by Khalifman and Svidler that playing against an engine is harmful to one's game. Back when he first became a GM, he was asked about his training, and he said that due to the lack of opportunities to practice against strong players, he played regularly against engines. If one looks at his style, there is NOTHING in it that suggests he tends to play to anti-computer play: closed, controlled positions.
"Tactics are the bricks and sticks that make up a game, but positional play is the architectural blueprint."
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Re: I don't expect any miracles for GM Nakamura this time

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pichy wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
pichy wrote:But at least he will be one of the best six listed on this tourney:
http://reports.chessdom.com/news-2011/t ... chess-2011
Why would he need a miracle rated 2751?
He does not need a miracle to end up in the second or third position with such strong field of players, but I doubt that he will end up in first place.

PS: This is to get Mr. Derek negative prediction about GM Nakamura. But I see that you have the same positive outcome for GM Nakamura as I do.
Round 1:

Nakamura-Grischuk 1-0

[Event "73rd Tata Steel Chess Tournament"]
[Site "Wijk aan Zee/The Netherlands"]
[Date "2011.01.15"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Nakamura"]
[Black "Grischuk"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D38"]
[PlyCount "83"]
[EventDate "2011.??.??"]
[TimeControl "40/6000+30:20/3000+30:900+30"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Nf3 d5 5. cxd5 exd5 6. Bg5 Nbd7 7. e3 c5 8.
dxc5 Qa5 9. Rc1 Bxc3+ 10. bxc3 O-O 11. Nd4 Qxc5 12. Bd3 Ne4 13. Bf4 Nb6 14. Qc2
h6 15. f3 Nf6 16. g4 Re8 17. Kf2 Nc4 18. h4 Bxg4 19. Bxc4 dxc4 20. fxg4 Nxg4+
21. Kf3 Ne5+ 22. Bxe5 Rxe5 23. Kf2 Rae8 24. Rh3 b5 25. Rg1 Re4 26. Qd1 b4 27.
Qf3 Rxe3 28. Rxg7+ Kxg7 29. Qg4+ Kf8 30. Rxe3 Rxe3 31. Kxe3 bxc3 32. Ke2 Qe5+
33. Kd1 Qh2 34. Ne2 Qd6+ 35. Qd4 Qxd4+ 36. Nxd4 Kg7 37. Nc6 a6 38. Nb8 a5 39.
a4 Kf6 40. Nc6 Ke6 41. Nxa5 Kd5 42. Kc2 1-0
"Tactics are the bricks and sticks that make up a game, but positional play is the architectural blueprint."
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Re: I don't expect any miracles for GM Nakamura this time

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SzG wrote:
Albert Silver wrote: Round 1:

Nakamura-Grischuk 1-0

[Event "73rd Tata Steel Chess Tournament"]
[Site "Wijk aan Zee/The Netherlands"]
[Date "2011.01.15"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Nakamura"]
[Black "Grischuk"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D38"]
[PlyCount "83"]
[EventDate "2011.??.??"]
[TimeControl "40/6000+30:20/3000+30:900+30"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Nf3 d5 5. cxd5 exd5 6. Bg5 Nbd7 7. e3 c5 8.
dxc5 Qa5 9. Rc1 Bxc3+ 10. bxc3 O-O 11. Nd4 Qxc5 12. Bd3 Ne4 13. Bf4 Nb6 14. Qc2
h6 15. f3 Nf6 16. g4 Re8 17. Kf2 Nc4 18. h4 Bxg4 19. Bxc4 dxc4 20. fxg4 Nxg4+
21. Kf3 Ne5+ 22. Bxe5 Rxe5 23. Kf2 Rae8 24. Rh3 b5 25. Rg1 Re4 26. Qd1 b4 27.
Qf3 Rxe3 28. Rxg7+ Kxg7 29. Qg4+ Kf8 30. Rxe3 Rxe3 31. Kxe3 bxc3 32. Ke2 Qe5+
33. Kd1 Qh2 34. Ne2 Qd6+ 35. Qd4 Qxd4+ 36. Nxd4 Kg7 37. Nc6 a6 38. Nb8 a5 39.
a4 Kf6 40. Nc6 Ke6 41. Nxa5 Kd5 42. Kc2 1-0
Well, I followed the game and it is still not clear to me why Grischuk had to sacrifice a piece at move 18.
Simple....an attempt to complicate the position but unfortunately it backfired at him....
Dr.D
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Re: I don't expect any miracles for GM Nakamura this time

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
SzG wrote:
Albert Silver wrote: Round 1:

Nakamura-Grischuk 1-0

[Event "73rd Tata Steel Chess Tournament"]
[Site "Wijk aan Zee/The Netherlands"]
[Date "2011.01.15"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Nakamura"]
[Black "Grischuk"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D38"]
[PlyCount "83"]
[EventDate "2011.??.??"]
[TimeControl "40/6000+30:20/3000+30:900+30"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Nf3 d5 5. cxd5 exd5 6. Bg5 Nbd7 7. e3 c5 8.
dxc5 Qa5 9. Rc1 Bxc3+ 10. bxc3 O-O 11. Nd4 Qxc5 12. Bd3 Ne4 13. Bf4 Nb6 14. Qc2
h6 15. f3 Nf6 16. g4 Re8 17. Kf2 Nc4 18. h4 Bxg4 19. Bxc4 dxc4 20. fxg4 Nxg4+
21. Kf3 Ne5+ 22. Bxe5 Rxe5 23. Kf2 Rae8 24. Rh3 b5 25. Rg1 Re4 26. Qd1 b4 27.
Qf3 Rxe3 28. Rxg7+ Kxg7 29. Qg4+ Kf8 30. Rxe3 Rxe3 31. Kxe3 bxc3 32. Ke2 Qe5+
33. Kd1 Qh2 34. Ne2 Qd6+ 35. Qd4 Qxd4+ 36. Nxd4 Kg7 37. Nc6 a6 38. Nb8 a5 39.
a4 Kf6 40. Nc6 Ke6 41. Nxa5 Kd5 42. Kc2 1-0
Well, I followed the game and it is still not clear to me why Grischuk had to sacrifice a piece at move 18.
Simple....an attempt to complicate the position but unfortunately it backfired at him....
Dr.D
The sacrifice was more desperation than anything.
"Tactics are the bricks and sticks that make up a game, but positional play is the architectural blueprint."
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Re: I don't expect any miracles for GM Nakamura this time

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It's shaping up to be quite an exciting event with Nakamura leading the way by one half point. Judging by the last few games he's played, it looks like a new style of play by Nakamura. No longer the speculative gambits with wild opening lines, but more of a solid positional style, IMO.
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Re: I don't expect any miracles for GM Nakamura this time

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SzG wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
SzG wrote:
Albert Silver wrote: Round 1:

Nakamura-Grischuk 1-0

[Event "73rd Tata Steel Chess Tournament"]
[Site "Wijk aan Zee/The Netherlands"]
[Date "2011.01.15"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Nakamura"]
[Black "Grischuk"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D38"]
[PlyCount "83"]
[EventDate "2011.??.??"]
[TimeControl "40/6000+30:20/3000+30:900+30"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Nf3 d5 5. cxd5 exd5 6. Bg5 Nbd7 7. e3 c5 8.
dxc5 Qa5 9. Rc1 Bxc3+ 10. bxc3 O-O 11. Nd4 Qxc5 12. Bd3 Ne4 13. Bf4 Nb6 14. Qc2
h6 15. f3 Nf6 16. g4 Re8 17. Kf2 Nc4 18. h4 Bxg4 19. Bxc4 dxc4 20. fxg4 Nxg4+
21. Kf3 Ne5+ 22. Bxe5 Rxe5 23. Kf2 Rae8 24. Rh3 b5 25. Rg1 Re4 26. Qd1 b4 27.
Qf3 Rxe3 28. Rxg7+ Kxg7 29. Qg4+ Kf8 30. Rxe3 Rxe3 31. Kxe3 bxc3 32. Ke2 Qe5+
33. Kd1 Qh2 34. Ne2 Qd6+ 35. Qd4 Qxd4+ 36. Nxd4 Kg7 37. Nc6 a6 38. Nb8 a5 39.
a4 Kf6 40. Nc6 Ke6 41. Nxa5 Kd5 42. Kc2 1-0
Well, I followed the game and it is still not clear to me why Grischuk had to sacrifice a piece at move 18.
Simple....an attempt to complicate the position but unfortunately it backfired at him....
Dr.D
It is in complete conflict with Grischuk's style to look for complications without a concrete plan. Actually, what he achieved with his sacrifice was simplification...
I think he could still have held the position had he not allowed the trade of queens.
Actually Grischuk is one of the best dynamic players who understands those vague "compensations" and "chances" as good as anyone, maybe except Topalov. He doesn't mind playing a super-complicated position against anyone.
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Re: I don't expect any miracles for GM Nakamura this time

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SzG wrote:
Albert Silver wrote: Round 1:

Nakamura-Grischuk 1-0

[Event "73rd Tata Steel Chess Tournament"]
[Site "Wijk aan Zee/The Netherlands"]
[Date "2011.01.15"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Nakamura"]
[Black "Grischuk"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D38"]
[PlyCount "83"]
[EventDate "2011.??.??"]
[TimeControl "40/6000+30:20/3000+30:900+30"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Nf3 d5 5. cxd5 exd5 6. Bg5 Nbd7 7. e3 c5 8.
dxc5 Qa5 9. Rc1 Bxc3+ 10. bxc3 O-O 11. Nd4 Qxc5 12. Bd3 Ne4 13. Bf4 Nb6 14. Qc2
h6 15. f3 Nf6 16. g4 Re8 17. Kf2 Nc4 18. h4 Bxg4 19. Bxc4 dxc4 20. fxg4 Nxg4+
21. Kf3 Ne5+ 22. Bxe5 Rxe5 23. Kf2 Rae8 24. Rh3 b5 25. Rg1 Re4 26. Qd1 b4 27.
Qf3 Rxe3 28. Rxg7+ Kxg7 29. Qg4+ Kf8 30. Rxe3 Rxe3 31. Kxe3 bxc3 32. Ke2 Qe5+
33. Kd1 Qh2 34. Ne2 Qd6+ 35. Qd4 Qxd4+ 36. Nxd4 Kg7 37. Nc6 a6 38. Nb8 a5 39.
a4 Kf6 40. Nc6 Ke6 41. Nxa5 Kd5 42. Kc2 1-0
Well, I followed the game and it is still not clear to me why Grischuk had to sacrifice a piece at move 18.

Did you find any bad sacrifice in GM Shirov game vs GM Nakamura?

http://www.chessbase.com/news/2011/wijk ... ijka03.htm
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Re: I don't expect any miracles for GM Nakamura this time

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It's looking very interesting. Anand and Nakamura on top with 3 points. (Magnus is well back... but he's made late charges before).

It'll be good to see Nakamura play the wily Anand.
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Re: I don't expect any miracles for GM Nakamura this time

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stevenaaus wrote:It's looking very interesting. Anand and Nakamura on top with 3 points. (Magnus is well back... but he's made late charges before).

It'll be good to see Nakamura play the wily Anand.
Magnus hit a peak some time ago. He has been sliding
down for some time now. He will have to start looking at
the strong player in this match and make adjustments.
Maybe next time he will be better prepared.

Good luck to all and may the strongest player win.

Gerold.
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