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Re: Houdini is getting some wider press. Congratulations!

Post by beram » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:11 pm

Albert Silver wrote:
De Vos W wrote:Houdini 1.5 leads TCEC with perfect score!

Press:
http://www.chessdom.com/news-2011/houdini-chess-engine
Fascinating, and an incredible blunder by ChessDom. It isn't to besmirch Houdini BTW, as that is not the problem. It is the fact they are promoting a small private computer chess tournament, with no official recognition, on their front page as the main article, after only three rounds, which is the sort of reporting reserved for major international chess tournaments.... It is amazingly bad judgment, and beyond stupid.

Of course, I'm happy for Martin, but this changes nothing.
A contrario: It is utterly right judgement, because it has to do with Houdini 1.5 who has taken over the first place in computer chess world after years of Rybka domination. And all the silly used excuses of "oh no it is only stronger because off contempt factor, or "oh no it is simply the fast time control" has finally stopped for good. Because it is true Houdini is number one with a great margin.
And I think that most of us CC enthousiastics feel the same way.

grts Bram

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Re: Houdini is getting some wider press. Congratulations!

Post by Laskos » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:13 pm

Albert Silver wrote:
De Vos W wrote:Houdini 1.5 leads TCEC with perfect score!

Press:
http://www.chessdom.com/news-2011/houdini-chess-engine


TCEC:
http://www.tcec-chess.org/
Fascinating, and an incredible blunder by ChessDom. It isn't to besmirch Houdini BTW, as that is not the problem. It is the fact they are promoting a small private computer chess tournament, with no official recognition, on their front page as the main article, after only three rounds, which is the sort of reporting reserved for major international chess tournaments.... It is amazingly bad judgment, and beyond stupid.

Of course, I'm happy for Martin, but this changes nothing.
Do your paid job in dedicated to your paid work forums. Here you are UNWELCOMED.

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Re: Houdini is getting some wider press. Congratulations!

Post by Albert Silver » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:20 pm

Laskos wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
De Vos W wrote:Houdini 1.5 leads TCEC with perfect score!

Press:
http://www.chessdom.com/news-2011/houdini-chess-engine


TCEC:
http://www.tcec-chess.org/
Fascinating, and an incredible blunder by ChessDom. It isn't to besmirch Houdini BTW, as that is not the problem. It is the fact they are promoting a small private computer chess tournament, with no official recognition, on their front page as the main article, after only three rounds, which is the sort of reporting reserved for major international chess tournaments.... It is amazingly bad judgment, and beyond stupid.

Of course, I'm happy for Martin, but this changes nothing.
Do your paid job in dedicated to your paid work forums. Here you are UNWELCOMED.

Kai
Could you rewrite that? I completely failed to understand what it is you said. All I understood was some comment on being paid (for what I don't know), and something about "work forums", which I have no idea what that might be.
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Re: Houdini is getting some wider press. Congratulations!

Post by Guenther » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:24 pm

Laskos wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
De Vos W wrote:Houdini 1.5 leads TCEC with perfect score!

Press:
http://www.chessdom.com/news-2011/houdini-chess-engine


TCEC:
http://www.tcec-chess.org/
Fascinating, and an incredible blunder by ChessDom. It isn't to besmirch Houdini BTW, as that is not the problem. It is the fact they are promoting a small private computer chess tournament, with no official recognition, on their front page as the main article, after only three rounds, which is the sort of reporting reserved for major international chess tournaments.... It is amazingly bad judgment, and beyond stupid.

Of course, I'm happy for Martin, but this changes nothing.
Do your paid job in dedicated to your paid work forums. Here you are UNWELCOMED.

Kai
All gone crazy here?

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Re: Houdini is getting some wider press. Congratulations!

Post by Albert Silver » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:25 pm

beram wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
De Vos W wrote:Houdini 1.5 leads TCEC with perfect score!

Press:
http://www.chessdom.com/news-2011/houdini-chess-engine
Fascinating, and an incredible blunder by ChessDom. It isn't to besmirch Houdini BTW, as that is not the problem. It is the fact they are promoting a small private computer chess tournament, with no official recognition, on their front page as the main article, after only three rounds, which is the sort of reporting reserved for major international chess tournaments.... It is amazingly bad judgment, and beyond stupid.

Of course, I'm happy for Martin, but this changes nothing.
A contrario: It is utterly right judgement, because it has to do with Houdini 1.5 who has taken over the first place in computer chess world after years of Rybka domination. And all the silly used excuses of "oh no it is only stronger because off contempt factor, or "oh no it is simply the fast time control" has finally stopped for good. Because it is true Houdini is number one with a great margin.
And I think that most of us CC enthousiastics feel the same way.

grts Bram
You are completely confused on the purpose and target audience of ChessDom. The wider chess readership knows nothing about any contempt factor or any such nonsense, and couldn't care less. CC enthusiasts account for roughly 0.1% of their readership (if that), so favoring this extreme minority over their targeted partners is ... less than brilliant.
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Re: Houdini is getting some wider press. Congratulations!

Post by Carlos Ylich » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:29 pm

Albert Silver wrote:
De Vos W wrote:Houdini 1.5 leads TCEC with perfect score!

Press:
http://www.chessdom.com/news-2011/houdini-chess-engine


TCEC:
http://www.tcec-chess.org/
Fascinating, and an incredible blunder by ChessDom. It isn't to besmirch Houdini BTW, as that is not the problem. It is the fact they are promoting a small private computer chess tournament, with no official recognition, on their front page as the main article, after only three rounds, which is the sort of reporting reserved for major international chess tournaments.... It is amazingly bad judgment, and beyond stupid.

Of course, I'm happy for Martin, but this changes nothing.


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Re: Houdini is getting some wider press. Congratulations!

Post by Graham Banks » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:32 pm

Guenther wrote:All gone crazy here?
Yep.
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Re: Houdini is getting some wider press. Congratulations!

Post by Guenther » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:33 pm

Albert Silver wrote:
De Vos W wrote:Houdini 1.5 leads TCEC with perfect score!

Press:
http://www.chessdom.com/news-2011/houdini-chess-engine


TCEC:
http://www.tcec-chess.org/
Fascinating, and an incredible blunder by ChessDom. It isn't to besmirch Houdini BTW, as that is not the problem. It is the fact they are promoting a small private computer chess tournament, with no official recognition, on their front page as the main article, after only three rounds, which is the sort of reporting reserved for major international chess tournaments.... It is amazingly bad judgment, and beyond stupid.

Of course, I'm happy for Martin, but this changes nothing.
The problem is that they treat a chess program entity like it would
be a Human. If Houdini were a new chess star in the Human Pro scene,
then it would be understandable, if they would post a 3 rounds standing
with a 3/3 score, when he already has proven to be better than #1 player
in the last few months in minor events. Doing the same thing with
a chess program looks horrible for experts(obviously not for Ippo/Houdini
fanboys), because of the statistical irrelevance of 3 games and the general meaning of the event.

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Re: Houdini is getting some wider press. Congratulations!

Post by JWorcester » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:42 pm

Guenther wrote:
Laskos wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
De Vos W wrote:Houdini 1.5 leads TCEC with perfect score!

Press:
http://www.chessdom.com/news-2011/houdini-chess-engine


TCEC:
http://www.tcec-chess.org/
Fascinating, and an incredible blunder by ChessDom. It isn't to besmirch Houdini BTW, as that is not the problem. It is the fact they are promoting a small private computer chess tournament, with no official recognition, on their front page as the main article, after only three rounds, which is the sort of reporting reserved for major international chess tournaments.... It is amazingly bad judgment, and beyond stupid.

Of course, I'm happy for Martin, but this changes nothing.
Do your paid job in dedicated to your paid work forums. Here you are UNWELCOMED.

Kai
All gone crazy here?
Nah.. the only ones going crazy are the Fish fanboys :).
Guenther wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
De Vos W wrote:Houdini 1.5 leads TCEC with perfect score!

Press:
http://www.chessdom.com/news-2011/houdini-chess-engine


TCEC:
http://www.tcec-chess.org/
Fascinating, and an incredible blunder by ChessDom. It isn't to besmirch Houdini BTW, as that is not the problem. It is the fact they are promoting a small private computer chess tournament, with no official recognition, on their front page as the main article, after only three rounds, which is the sort of reporting reserved for major international chess tournaments.... It is amazingly bad judgment, and beyond stupid.

Of course, I'm happy for Martin, but this changes nothing.
The problem is that they treat a chess program entity like it would
be a Human. If Houdini were a new chess star in the Human Pro scene,
then it would be understandable, if they would post a 3 rounds standing
with a 3/3 score, when he already has proven to be better than #1 player
in the last few months in minor events. Doing the same thing with
a chess program looks horrible for experts(obviously not for Ippo/Houdini
fanboys), because of the statistical irrelevance of 3 games and the general meaning of the event.
Actually it's 4 games now. But that's just half the punchline. The other half is simply Rybka scoring 2/4 against it's main opposition in the division. The two halves make a very happy whole :).

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Re: Houdini is getting some wider press. Congratulations!

Post by Albert Silver » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:50 pm

Guenther wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
De Vos W wrote:Houdini 1.5 leads TCEC with perfect score!

Press:
http://www.chessdom.com/news-2011/houdini-chess-engine


TCEC:
http://www.tcec-chess.org/
Fascinating, and an incredible blunder by ChessDom. It isn't to besmirch Houdini BTW, as that is not the problem. It is the fact they are promoting a small private computer chess tournament, with no official recognition, on their front page as the main article, after only three rounds, which is the sort of reporting reserved for major international chess tournaments.... It is amazingly bad judgment, and beyond stupid.

Of course, I'm happy for Martin, but this changes nothing.
The problem is that they treat a chess program entity like it would
be a Human. If Houdini were a new chess star in the Human Pro scene,
then it would be understandable, if they would post a 3 rounds standing
with a 3/3 score, when he already has proven to be better than #1 player
in the last few months in minor events. Doing the same thing with
a chess program looks horrible for experts(obviously not for Ippo/Houdini
fanboys), because of the statistical irrelevance of 3 games and the general meaning of the event.
I'm glad someone understands.

As to my opinion of Houdini 1.5, I have no doubts as to its superior strength, and use it regularly for game analysis, with a higher priority over Rybka 4. Still, this is completely beside the point.
"Tactics are the bricks and sticks that make up a game, but positional play is the architectural blueprint."

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