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benstoker
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Allow steroids

Post by benstoker » Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:58 pm

How about this. Quit testing and just let all athletes use steroids, HGH, EPO, bionic limbs, whatever, and let's just see who runs the fastest.

How about this. Allow ALL chess engines in tournaments regardless of origin and originality. Everybody has copied alpha-beta. You engine authors are ALL plagiarists. Don't you realize this? You all use the same algorithms. Every one of you. The differences are only slight shades of gray, really amounting to little more than tweaks and optimizations of parameters. Which engine author today actually owns a truly original and revolutionary idea? Who?

Just let ALL engines enter and compete and let's just see who's fastest.

There can be two camps. Camp One includes all authors who make available their source for inspection by tournament directors. Camp Two includes those who choose not to reveal source for inspection.

All Camp Two engines get little asterisks next to their name in the final tally.

Guess what? Now we get to see who the real champ is, even if the real champ is just another iteration of another iteration of chess engine tweaks to a plagiarized body of source code.

After all, at the end of the day, don't we all just want to know which engine is the best? If Houdini is the top dog, that's all that the majority of chess players give a damn about. Call it the Top Dog Criterion. The Top Dog Criterion always enjoys, let's call it "senior lien status", and forecloses all the other "junior lien" interests of legitimacy, originality, etc.

Do you really think all the GMs refrain from using Houdini or the Ippo bunch?

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Re: Allow steroids

Post by michiguel » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:19 pm

benstoker wrote:How about this. Quit testing and just let all athletes use steroids, HGH, EPO, bionic limbs, whatever, and let's just see who runs the fastest.

How about this. Allow ALL chess engines in tournaments regardless of origin and originality. Everybody has copied alpha-beta. You engine authors are ALL plagiarists. Don't you realize this? You all use the same algorithms. Every one of you. The differences are only slight shades of gray, really amounting to little more than tweaks and optimizations of parameters. Which engine author today actually owns a truly original and revolutionary idea? Who?
On the other hand, I would propose a doping test for the people posting here. For instance, if you smoked some sort of a weed or inhaled some type of a glue, you cannot post here for 48 hrs. We should allow truly crazy outrageous people to stand out, not its mere chemical imitations.

Miguel

Just let ALL engines enter and compete and let's just see who's fastest.

There can be two camps. Camp One includes all authors who make available their source for inspection by tournament directors. Camp Two includes those who choose not to reveal source for inspection.

All Camp Two engines get little asterisks next to their name in the final tally.

Guess what? Now we get to see who the real champ is, even if the real champ is just another iteration of another iteration of chess engine tweaks to a plagiarized body of source code.

After all, at the end of the day, don't we all just want to know which engine is the best? If Houdini is the top dog, that's all that the majority of chess players give a damn about. Call it the Top Dog Criterion. The Top Dog Criterion always enjoys, let's call it "senior lien status", and forecloses all the other "junior lien" interests of legitimacy, originality, etc.

Do you really think all the GMs refrain from using Houdini or the Ippo bunch?

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Re: Allow steroids

Post by Michel » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:20 pm

And it goes on and on and on and on and on and on.....

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Re: Allow steroids

Post by benstoker » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:29 pm

michiguel wrote: On the other hand, I would propose a doping test for the people posting here. For instance, if you smoked some sort of a weed or inhaled some type of a glue, you cannot post here for 48 hrs. We should allow truly crazy outrageous people to stand out, not its mere chemical imitations.

Miguel
You must be on crack, dude!

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Re: Allow steroids

Post by hgm » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:31 pm

benstoker wrote:How about this. Allow ALL chess engines in tournaments regardless of origin and originality.
This is already done. In the playchess engine room. So if that makes you happy, why not go there?

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Re: Allow steroids

Post by benstoker » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:44 pm

hgm wrote:
benstoker wrote:How about this. Allow ALL chess engines in tournaments regardless of origin and originality.
This is already done. In the playchess engine room. So if that makes you happy, why not go there?
You mean get rid of all the tournaments in favor of just one arena at playchess?

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Re: Allow steroids

Post by hgm » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:51 pm

Why do you think I could mean that? Doesn't that thought strike you as absurd?

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Re: Allow steroids

Post by benstoker » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:11 pm

hgm wrote:Why do you think I could mean that? Doesn't that thought strike you as absurd?
Yes. That's why I asked. Doesn't make sense to expect everybody to just go to playchess. What do you mean?

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Re: Allow steroids

Post by hgm » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:15 pm

I still don't get it. How would help "getting rid of all tourneys" prevent people from having to go to playchess?

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Re: Allow steroids

Post by benstoker » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:31 pm

hgm wrote:I still don't get it. How would help "getting rid of all tourneys" prevent people from having to go to playchess?
I don't know. It was your idea.

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