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Kirk wrote:

Terry McCracken wrote:

Steve B wrote:any chance the mods can remove Evans post?
the size of the cartoon makes any subsequent posts unreadable

Thanks
Steve

I've asked as well...it's ruining the thread as it's huge!

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Me thinks we know the intent lol

Steve B wrote:While the ICGA investigation proceeds in Ernest i wonder what the CCC members think would be a fitting punishment ASSUMING all of the allegations are true?

i imagine those charged with hammering out justice in this case will try to match the crime with a fitting punishment

i quote from section 3 of the ICGA Clone and Derivative Investigation Panel founding statues( February 22nd 2011)
(Bold type and underling are my own)

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h] The ICGA shall consider the reports and recommendations of the Panel and shall at its sole discretion decide upon what action if any should be taken. The sanctions that the ICGA might take against those found guilty of cloning or creating a derivative include but are not limited to:

Banning the guilty person(s)from participation in future ICGA events for any period deemed appropriate by the ICGA;

[ii] Publicizing, wheresoever it deems appropriate, the allegations and the names of those who have been investigated by the Panel and the findings of the Panel;

[iii] Recommending to other computer event organizers the exclusion of persons who have been found guilty by the Panel.

[iv] Annulling any titles that have already been awarded to programs that have since found by the Panel to have been clones or derivative programs, and demanding the return of any prize money paid to the offending programmer(s).
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Some think that each Rybka engine that won from 2007-2010 should be treated differently and if Rybka 2007 is found to be an illegal derivative then this does not carry to Rybka 2008 which should stand on its own..like wise for Rybka 2009 and so on

my own personal feeling regarding the punishment issue is pretty straight forward
IF Rybka is found to have been an illegal derivative for ANY ICGA tournament it entered .. then the engine author should be banned from all events.. past ..present and future
all titles (starting with the first titled engine declared illegal)should be revoked and any prize money clawed back
declaring Rybka 2007 illegal and then allowing Rybka 2010(for example) to retain the world title sends the wrong message to the larger CC community that is watching these proceedings very closely(see thread about mainstream media )
ICGA needs to send a strong and clear message to any future aspiring engine authors that this sort of nonsense will not be tolerated and to the world at large that it can police its own events
ANY Engine author caught entering illegal programs in ICGA events .. forever forfeits the right of participation in future ICGA events
the CC community and ICGA should reward hard working engine authors who try to create something original and not those who play it loose and easy
an example needs to be set in this egregious case
YMMV
Hammer Of Justice Regards
Steve

Steve B wrote:While the ICGA investigation proceeds in Ernest i wonder what the CCC members think would be a fitting punishment ASSUMING all of the allegations are true?

Steve B wrote:While the ICGA investigation proceeds in Ernest i wonder what the CCC members think would be a fitting punishment ASSUMING all of the allegations are true?

Dirt wrote:

Steve B wrote:While the ICGA investigation proceeds in Ernest i wonder what the CCC members think would be a fitting punishment ASSUMING all of the allegations are true?

I could see taking back the titles, but the prize money sounds hard to enforce. I wouldn't bother trying.

You'd want to inspect his current source before allowing him in a future competition. I doubt he'd agree.

K I Hyams wrote:
One of our members implies that this should be treated in a similar way to the El Chinito affair. I think that it is far far more serious than that.

Steve B wrote:

K I Hyams wrote:
One of our members implies that this should be treated in a similar way to the El Chinito affair. I think that it is far far more serious than that.

Clearly
although even just a "Disqualification"..which seems like nothing more then a slap on the wrist...would logically carry with it the revocation of the World Champion title and prize money for that year
unless even the most compassionate members amongst us feel that a disqualified engine should be allowed to keep its first place standing and prize money in an event it was disqualified from

IMHO ..
the key to a just and fitting punishment in this case .. is that once the charges are proven against a particular Rybka engine version ..then all titles need to be revoked rolling forward from the first tournament where that illegal engine won a title to all subsequent tournaments entered into by that engine author ..with a demand that all excuses be laid aside and all prize money be returned.. without further delay

Steve