Houdini, Fire, IvanHoe, (and Rybka?) are 'clones'...?
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:28 pm
Houdini, Fire, IvanHoe, RobboLito, etc. are all a 'clones'? (Rybka as well?)
This is absolute nonsense.
In all of the above (except Rybka), there is absolutely no evidence of wrongdoing of any kind)!
IppoLit source code is free for any and all use!
But wait...here, in this sad and misguided forum...anything that doesn't have a 'Crafty-like pedigree' is directly cast as a 'clone'?
It's really sad that the founding member and moderator (Bob Hyatt) has managed to saturate the Talkchess lemmings with his extreme, overbearing, and puritanical academic ideals...
The facts:
The development of IvanHoe, etc. has been ongoing for 2 years now...
the program has grown from a basic skeleton engine to a full-featured analysis tool...
they have added feature after feature... including many technical innovations.
the development includes (but not limited to):
Windows and Linux support
SMP support,
a complete bitbase solution that surpasses Nalimov EGTB,
Montecarlo analysis,
sophisticated hashing options,
compiling tracing,
Magic Bitboards,
ZugZwang detection
Large pages
Eval and Material explanation modes,
etc., etc.
the list goes on and on...
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So?
Fire, IvanHoe, Houdini, Rybka,...etc.
What to do?
Duh,...how about simply labeling these programs as a 'controversial' or maybe 'suspected derivatives'?
Testing groups could simply maintain a separate list, not allowing entrance into serious tournaments...
But, why all the fuss, contempt, and ridicule?
*Because the one's crying the loudest seem to be establishment programmers seeking to discredit all other engine at any cost...
more limelight for them and their 'original' program.
Stockfish is 100% original?!
sheez, no...maybe a couple years ago.
All programs have benefited or are benefiting (or should be) from the release of IppoLit...
Komodo, Critter, Fire...and the blessed 'derivative' Stockfish' as well!
IppoLit published to the public domain the most advanced chess programming ideas ever!
a bonanza for the art/science/technology!
But the chess programming cronies (sorry - establishment) can't (or refuses to) recognize that?
Let's see, after 2 years, IppoLit has been severely pillaged and raped by this same chess establishment...
(and especially by the 'puritanical' Talkchess programmers of 'original?' engines)
at the same time they ridicule, exile, and condemn it...!
What hypocrites!
Yes, good idea! Rape the messenger, then shoot him!
Norm
This is absolute nonsense.
In all of the above (except Rybka), there is absolutely no evidence of wrongdoing of any kind)!
IppoLit source code is free for any and all use!
But wait...here, in this sad and misguided forum...anything that doesn't have a 'Crafty-like pedigree' is directly cast as a 'clone'?
It's really sad that the founding member and moderator (Bob Hyatt) has managed to saturate the Talkchess lemmings with his extreme, overbearing, and puritanical academic ideals...
The facts:
The development of IvanHoe, etc. has been ongoing for 2 years now...
the program has grown from a basic skeleton engine to a full-featured analysis tool...
they have added feature after feature... including many technical innovations.
the development includes (but not limited to):
Windows and Linux support
SMP support,
a complete bitbase solution that surpasses Nalimov EGTB,
Montecarlo analysis,
sophisticated hashing options,
compiling tracing,
Magic Bitboards,
ZugZwang detection
Large pages
Eval and Material explanation modes,
etc., etc.
the list goes on and on...
----------------------------------------
So?
Fire, IvanHoe, Houdini, Rybka,...etc.
What to do?
Duh,...how about simply labeling these programs as a 'controversial' or maybe 'suspected derivatives'?
Testing groups could simply maintain a separate list, not allowing entrance into serious tournaments...
But, why all the fuss, contempt, and ridicule?
*Because the one's crying the loudest seem to be establishment programmers seeking to discredit all other engine at any cost...
more limelight for them and their 'original' program.
Stockfish is 100% original?!
sheez, no...maybe a couple years ago.
All programs have benefited or are benefiting (or should be) from the release of IppoLit...
Komodo, Critter, Fire...and the blessed 'derivative' Stockfish' as well!
IppoLit published to the public domain the most advanced chess programming ideas ever!
a bonanza for the art/science/technology!
But the chess programming cronies (sorry - establishment) can't (or refuses to) recognize that?
Let's see, after 2 years, IppoLit has been severely pillaged and raped by this same chess establishment...
(and especially by the 'puritanical' Talkchess programmers of 'original?' engines)
at the same time they ridicule, exile, and condemn it...!
What hypocrites!
Yes, good idea! Rape the messenger, then shoot him!
Norm