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Re: How strong is the new Fire 1.5 xTreme?

Post by David Dahlem » Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:05 pm

Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
NJDenson wrote:With the right settings its the strongest program thats out to date.
Correct and I happen to have them....I hope....
I just need more testing....

When it beats my top FireBird 1.1 personality,I will post the settings....
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Hi Dr. D

I'm also testing settings, searching for the magic parameters. I have several settings that, so far, are playing equal to Houdini 1.5. Not enough games yet to be significant. I would love to test your settings too. If you are not ready to post them here, could you send to davedahlem "@" gmail.com?

Regards Dave

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Re: How strong is the new Fire 1.5 xTreme?

Post by David Dahlem » Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:26 pm

So far, i've only tried tuning eval weights and piece values. Even so, this can result in huge strength improvement. These settings are my best at this time, playing equal to Houdini 1.5. If any one would like to try them ---

Fire 1.5 Ultra
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King_Safety_Weight 107
Mobility_Weight 105
Pawn_Value 100
Knight_Value 313
Bishop_Value 320
Rook_Value 512
Queen_Value 967

I'm continuing to test other parameters, trying to find the #1 engine.

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Re: How strong is the new Fire 1.5 xTreme?

Post by NJDenson » Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:27 pm

If you have a problem of a difficult move post and i will let my best settings fire go at it and compair evals.

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Re: How strong is the new Fire 1.5 xTreme?

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Sun Jun 26, 2011 7:26 pm

David Dahlem wrote:So far, i've only tried tuning eval weights and piece values. Even so, this can result in huge strength improvement. These settings are my best at this time, playing equal to Houdini 1.5. If any one would like to try them ---

Fire 1.5 Ultra
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King_Safety_Weight 107
Mobility_Weight 105
Pawn_Value 100
Knight_Value 313
Bishop_Value 320
Rook_Value 512
Queen_Value 967

I'm continuing to test other parameters, trying to find the #1 engine.
Hi David,
I've pm'ed you the parameters of Fire 1.5 xTreme Scylla

It's extremely strong after playing +200 games at long time controls beating Houdini 1.03a and playing at the level of Houdini 1.5 +-5 Elo....

I've changed all the pieces values using the formula applies on a personality of FireBird 1.1 which still tops my rating list even ahead of Houdini 1.5....

I'm running a mamooth tournament engaging 132 engines each playing 4 games against all the other engines running on two overclocked i7 systems 24/7 with a total of 30054 games :!:

See,the thing is,most of the super top engines are tunned against each other,but when they play in a RR tournament facing a big number of various opponents,you'll be surprised how they'll perform....

Head to head matches are simply too wrong to be established as a standard utility to measure a chess engine's strength....sure they shed some light,but the truth is left far far behind....
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Re: How strong is the new Fire 1.5 xTreme?

Post by Gino Figlio » Sun Jun 26, 2011 7:34 pm

Why not posting the parameters? The number of testers will increase and the results will be more reliable...

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Re: How strong is the new Fire 1.5 xTreme?

Post by David Dahlem » Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:01 pm

Dr.Wael Deeb wrote: Hi David,
I've pm'ed you the parameters of Fire 1.5 xTreme Scylla
Dr.D
Thank you very much. I'll start testing Fire 1.5 xTreme Scylla right away. If it does better than mine, it is very strong indeed! :lol:

Hopefully we can inspire other users to create strong settings and make them available by posting them here. I also think, with the right settings, this engine is #1.

Regards Dave

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Re: How strong is the new Fire 1.5 xTreme?

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:01 pm

Gino Figlio wrote:Why not posting the parameters? The number of testers will increase and the results will be more reliable...
It's not that I don't want to release them....Eventually I will when I have solid results related to the performance....

Besides,from a personal experience,when you post a special set of parameters in a rush,most of the testers don't take them too serious....
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Re: How strong is the new Fire 1.5 xTreme?

Post by fern » Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:03 pm

Yo are entitled to name anything.
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Re: How strong is the new Fire 1.5 xTreme?

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:06 pm

David Dahlem wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote: Hi David,
I've pm'ed you the parameters of Fire 1.5 xTreme Scylla
Dr.D
Thank you very much. I'll start testing Fire 1.5 xTreme Scylla right away. If it does better than mine, it is very strong indeed! :lol:

Hopefully we can inspire other users to create strong settings and make them available by posting them here. I also think, with the right settings, this engine is #1.

Regards Dave
You welcome David :D

As you noticed,I've changed all the pieces values using a well tested formula plus changing the king's safety parameter,the mobility and the positional weights....

By the way,I have the strongest Toga personality based on Toga 1.4 Beta 5c and it's the strongest Toga in my rating list....I will post it's parameters when I'm ready to do so....
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Re: How strong is the new Fire 1.5 xTreme?

Post by Gino Figlio » Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:44 pm

Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Gino Figlio wrote:Why not posting the parameters? The number of testers will increase and the results will be more reliable...
It's not that I don't want to release them....Eventually I will when I have solid results related to the performance....

Besides,from a personal experience,when you post a special set of parameters in a rush,most of the testers don't take them too serious....
Dr.D
It will be hard to collect enough LTC games if it's only you doing the testing but of course it's your right because you came up with the settings.
Some testers will get discouraged by preliminary settings released "in a rush" but no tester will be able to help if you choose a late release.
God luck and keep us posted, I think Fire is getting stronger from the game analysis perspective which is very subjective of course.

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