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Re: Chessbase articles questioning the Rybka ban

Post by Harvey Williamson » Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:46 pm

stevemulligan wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:I am sure that if Vas is willing to cooperate with the ICGA the sentence can be reviewed.
I don't understand why so many intentionally ignore the fact he refused to cooperate. They expect the rules should not apply in this case.

I'm also surprised to learn from that article that different types of hardware can be used and only recently were hardware limits were imposed. I would have expected all engines would need to run on the exact same rig. Why should the person who can afford a faster computer have an advantage??
Now there are 2 tournaments on = hardware Hiarcs kicks ass :)

http://www.hiarcs.com/Games/wcsc11/wcsc11.htm

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Re: Chessbase articles questioning the Rybka ban

Post by Terry McCracken » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:38 pm

h1a8 wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
geots wrote:
h1a8 wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:I guess that as long as members can keep the discussion civilised, these articles can be discussed here, so let's try again.

Part One
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7791

Part Two
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7807

Part Three
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7811
The final part is there now:
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7813
I have read much of it and I must say WOW! That puts things in a different perspective for me.

In the very least.
The punishment doesn't fit the crime at all.


And what crime would that be?

Regards,

george
Code theft and breaching the GPL. Not that you care.
Did you read the article? It's shows evidence that no code theft was done or the kind that was wasn't game playing code or code that you shouldn't treat Vas like he's a murderer and he needs a lifetime ban.
I read the evidence. I could care less about the PR ChessBase article.
Again, Vas is guilty of code theft and breaching the GPL.
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Re: Chessbase articles questioning the Rybka ban

Post by slobo » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:14 pm

M ANSARI wrote:If Vas has any blame in all this, it is that he did not defend himself when all the ICGA accusations came about.
Do you know why he did not defend himself?
Is he so humble and religious lad?
"Well, I´m just a soul whose intentions are good,
Oh Lord, please don´t let me be misunderstood."

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Re: Chessbase articles questioning the Rybka ban

Post by gerold » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:21 pm

slobo wrote:
M ANSARI wrote:If Vas has any blame in all this, it is that he did not defend himself when all the ICGA accusations came about.
Do you know why he did not defend himself?
Is he so humble and religious lad?
Yes he is humble and deeply religious. He would never steal anyone's program and sell it. Maybe R 5 will come out and be world champ. :-)

Best,
Gerold.

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Re: Chessbase articles questioning the Rybka ban

Post by geots » Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:35 am

gerold wrote:
slobo wrote:
M ANSARI wrote:If Vas has any blame in all this, it is that he did not defend himself when all the ICGA accusations came about.
Do you know why he did not defend himself?
Is he so humble and religious lad?
Yes he is humble and deeply religious. He would never steal anyone's program and sell it. Maybe R 5 will come out and be world champ. :-)

Best,
Gerold.



I am with you. I wonder if it is because we live so close to each other that our logic is similar or = in so many areas.



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george

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Re: Chessbase articles questioning the Rybka ban

Post by bob » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:24 am

h1a8 wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
geots wrote:
h1a8 wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:I guess that as long as members can keep the discussion civilised, these articles can be discussed here, so let's try again.

Part One
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7791

Part Two
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7807

Part Three
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7811
The final part is there now:
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7813
I have read much of it and I must say WOW! That puts things in a different perspective for me.

In the very least.
The punishment doesn't fit the crime at all.


And what crime would that be?

Regards,

george
Code theft and breaching the GPL. Not that you care.
Did you read the article? It's shows evidence that no code theft was done or the kind that was wasn't game playing code or code that you shouldn't treat Vas like he's a murderer and he needs a lifetime ban.
:)

It "showed" absolutely nothing. It is opinion, personal attacks, distortions, incorrect data, incorrect quotes, the list goes on. We are working on a detailed response, in a similar vein to the ICGA report that started this.

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Re: Chessbase articles questioning the Rybka ban

Post by h1a8 » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:26 am

Terry McCracken wrote:
h1a8 wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
geots wrote:
h1a8 wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:I guess that as long as members can keep the discussion civilised, these articles can be discussed here, so let's try again.

Part One
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7791

Part Two
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7807

Part Three
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7811
The final part is there now:
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7813
I have read much of it and I must say WOW! That puts things in a different perspective for me.

In the very least.
The punishment doesn't fit the crime at all.


And what crime would that be?

Regards,

george
Code theft and breaching the GPL. Not that you care.
Did you read the article? It's shows evidence that no code theft was done or the kind that was wasn't game playing code or code that you shouldn't treat Vas like he's a murderer and he needs a lifetime ban.
I read the evidence. I could care less about the PR ChessBase article.
Again, Vas is guilty of code theft and breaching the GPL.
Wow! Then you are in for a surprise. There lot's of new evidence there (including falsified code in Zach's report). You should at least check it out and then rethink if Vas is at least deserving of the punishment he was given.

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Re: Chessbase articles questioning the Rybka ban

Post by M ANSARI » Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:39 am

stevemulligan wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:I am sure that if Vas is willing to cooperate with the ICGA the sentence can be reviewed.
I don't understand why so many intentionally ignore the fact he refused to cooperate. They expect the rules should not apply in this case.

I'm also surprised to learn from that article that different types of hardware can be used and only recently were hardware limits were imposed. I would have expected all engines would need to run on the exact same rig. Why should the person who can afford a faster computer have an advantage??

I am sure if Vas had been asked to cooperate in an appropriate manner, he would have, but I think he felt that it was more of a lynch mob action and thus did not warrant a response. I do agree it would have been much better had he cooperated and that some of the information he is giving out now would probably have avoided this entire fiasco. But I also believe that not accepting to cooperate does not automatically mean that he is guilty ... something which the ICGA promoted.

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