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Re: Test position

Post by MOBMAT » Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:47 am

peter wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:34 pm
MOBMAT wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:51 pm
If it was a Mate in X problem, then it could be restated to be a find the two moves that satisfy the Mate in X or find either of the two....
if the position is to be included in a test suite, then it should be removed or specified that it it is a dual.
Its' none of both. It's a study.

It's a matter of categories of compositions evaluated by judges.
A mate in x-problem is an other category to be published and judged than a study is, you see?

Arpad Rusz showed a study then, that was somewhat "cooked" by having two solutions, no matter if one solution was 1 or 2 or 3 moves longer to mate than the other one.

"Dual" has an other meaning as for studies as it has for test postions. A dual in a study is a second move of solution no matter of length to mate. Major Dual means dual at first move, Minor Dual at later moves.

Mate in x-problems are another sort of compostion with other kind of rules for judges or journals to publish them.

viewtopic.php?p=453963#p453963

The rest of the thread I then had with Arpad was somewhat ironically meant to get a difference of any kind out of the two solutions, well knowing, that it didn't count for judges and the "wearth" of the study at all.
So you simply took me two seriously, even if I really thought Ke3 being #30, not in 31.

Thanks for reviewing it, but it doesn't matter as for the purposes it was composed for, that's what I meant, you see?

BTW, I had a look into Chest Database in meantime and indeed, it's stored as #31 there too, so congrats!
:)
Well, actually, my motives are far more simplistic. When I find a position I don't yet have in my list or those that are there that haven't been solved, I throw some engines at it. If any of them correctly (usually try to get two engines to agree) matches the published solution, I note it and move on. If I find a better solution/move that doesn't match the published solution, I post my results. I am just offering a correction. It might be useful for someone. As an example, Dann Corbit offers up positions for we minions to help solve, I enjoy helping out despite having modest equipment.

Chest solutions are ripe with errors. I don't trust them unless verified by another engine.
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Vinvin
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Re: Test position

Post by Vinvin » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:51 am

peter wrote:
Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:33 pm
Arpad Rusz wrote:I know another study featuring King/Rook corresponding squares (T.Kok, 1938), but this is based on the Bláthy study:

[D]6kB/3Pp1Pp/1p1rP3/pP6/P1K5/P2p3p/3P3P/8 w - - 0 1
White wins
Even harder because of the longer way with h-pawn and black King escaping, in Bláthy#s there was a single square for the black King only.

Started again with Komodo with nullmove off, took over with Houdini and his mate search on then.

6kB/3Pp1Pp/1p1rP3/pP6/P1K5/P2p3p/3P3P/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Houdini 2.0c Pro x64:

1. Kb3 Rd4 2. Kb2 Rd6 3. Ka1 Rd4 4. Kb1 Rd5 5. Ka2 Rd6 6. Kb2 Rd4 7. Kb3 Rd5 8. Kc3 Rd6 9. Kc4 h6 10. Kc3 Rd5 11. Kb2 Rd6 12. Kb1
+- (#45) Tiefe: 52/79 00:03:00 3770mN

Number of distance to mate should be rather exact, I guess.
Nice one !
Very hard to find the mate for all engines I tried.

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Re: Test position

Post by peter » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:37 pm

Hi Vincent!
Vinvin wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:51 am
Nice one !
Very hard to find the mate for all engines I tried.
N3k1nR/p1p1Pp2/2P1pPr1/b2pP3/P1pP1K2/2P3p1/6P1/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by MateFinder 050320 64:

Code: Select all

1.Ke3 Rg4 2.Ke2 Rg6 3.Kf3 Rg5 4.Kf4 Rg6 
  +/=  (0.61)   Depth: 7/8   00:00:12  21kN
...
1.Ke3 Rg4 2.Ke2 Rg6 3.Kd2 Rg5 4.Kd1 Rg4 5.Kc2 Rg5 6.Kd2 Rg6 7.Ke2 Rg4 8.Ke3 Rg5 9.Kf3 Rg6 10.Kf4 Bb6 11.Nxb6 axb6 12.Kf3 Rg5 13.Ke3 Rg4 14.Ke2 Rg6 15.Ke1 Rg5 16.Kd2 Rg6 17.Ke2 Rg4 18.Ke3 Rg5 19.Kf3 Rg6 20.Kf4 b5 21.a5 
  +-  (4.82)   Depth: 31/50   00:00:12  14927kN
1.Kf3 Rg5 2.Ke2 Rg6 3.Kd2 Rg5 4.Kd1 Rg4 5.Kc1 Rg6 6.Kc2 Rg4 7.Kd1 Rg5 8.Kd2 Rg6 9.Ke2 Rg5 10.Kf3 Rg6 11.Kf4 a6 12.Kf3 Rg5 13.Ke3 Rg4 14.Ke2 Rg6 15.Kd1 Rg4 16.Kc2 Rg6 17.Kc1 Rg4 18.Kd1 Rg6 19.Ke2 Rg5 20.Kf3 Rg6 21.Kf4 Bb6 22.Nxb6 cxb6 
  +-  (5.80)   Depth: 32/52   00:00:12  20408kN
...
1.Kf3 
  +-  (15.27 ++)   Depth: 35/51   00:00:19  205MN
1.Kf3 Rg5 2.Ke2 Rg6 3.Kd2 Rg5 4.Kc2 Rg6 5.Kc1 Rg4 6.Kd1 Rg5 7.Kd2 Rg4 8.Ke3 Rg5 9.Kf3 Rg6 10.Kf4 Bb6 11.Nxb6 axb6 12.Ke3 Rg4 13.Ke2 Rg6 14.Kd2 Rg5 15.Kc2 Rg4 16.Kb2 Rg6 17.Ka3 Rg4 18.Kb4 Rg6 19.Kb5 Rg5 20.Ka6 Rg4 21.Rxg8+ Rxg8 
  +-  (15.72)   Depth: 35/51   00:00:19  207MN
...
1.Kf3 Rg5 2.Kf4 Rg6 3.Ke3 Rg4 4.Ke2 Rg6 5.Kd1 Rg4 6.Kc1 Rg6 7.Kc2 Rg5 8.Kd2 Rg6 9.Ke2 Rg4 10.Ke3 Rg6 11.Kf4 a6 12.Kf3 Rg5 13.Ke2 Rg6 14.Kd2 Rg5 15.Kc1 Rg6 16.Kc2 Rg4 17.Kd1 Rg5 18.Kd2 Rg6 19.Ke2 Rg4 20.Ke3 Rg5 21.Kf3 Rg6 22.Kf4 Bb6 23.Nxb6 a5 24.Ke3 cxb6 25.c7 Kd7 26.e8Q+ Kxc7 27.Qxf7+ Kb8 28.Qe8+ Kb7 29.Rh7+ Rg7 30.Rxg7+ Ne7 31.Rxe7+ Ka6 
  +-  (20.12)   Depth: 36/60   00:00:25  364MN
1.Kf3 
  +-  (#33 ++)   Depth: 37/5   00:00:34  623MN
1.Kf3 Rg5 2.Ke2 Rg6 3.Kd1 Rg4 4.Kc1 Rg6 5.Kc2 Rg4 6.Kd1 Rg5 7.Kd2 Rg6 8.Ke2 Rg4 9.Ke3 Rg5 10.Kf3 Rg6 11.Kf4 a6 12.Kf3 Rg5 13.Ke2 Rg6 14.Kd2 Rg5 15.Kc2 Rg6 16.Kc1 Rg4 17.Kd1 Rg5 18.Kd2 Rg6 
  +-  (#33)   Depth: 37/36   00:00:34  623MN
...
1.Kf3 Rg5 2.Ke2 Rg6 3.Kd2 Rg5 4.Kc1 Rg6 5.Kc2 Rg4 6.Kd1 Rg5 7.Kd2 Rg6 8.Ke2 Rg4 9.Ke3 Rg5 10.Kf3 Rg6 11.Kf4 a6 12.Kf3 Rg5 13.Ke2 Rg6 14.Kd2 Rg5 15.Kc2 Rg6 16.Kc1 Rg4 17.Kd1 Rg5 18.Kd2 Rg6 19.Ke2 Rg4 20.Ke3 Rg5 21.Kf3 Rg6 22.Kf4 Bb6 23.Nxb6 cxb6 24.c7 Rxf6+ 25.exf6 Kd7 26.e8Q+ Kxc7 27.Rxg8 e5+ 28.Qxe5+ Kb7 29.Qxd5+ Kc7 30.Qxf7+ Kc6 
  +-  (#33)   Depth: 55/60   00:00:48  1013MN
1.Kf3 Rg5 2.Ke2 Rg6 3.Kd2 Rg5 4.Kc1 Rg6 5.Kc2 Rg4 6.Kd1 Rg5 7.Kd2 Rg6 8.Ke2 Rg4 9.Ke3 Rg5 10.Kf3 Rg6 11.Kf4 a6 12.Kf3 Rg5 13.Ke2 Rg6 14.Kd2 Rg5 15.Kc2 Rg6 16.Kc1 Rg4 17.Kd1 Rg5 18.Kd2 Rg6 19.Ke2 Rg4 20.Ke3 Rg5 21.Kf3 Rg6 22.Kf4 Bb6 23.Nxb6 a5 24.Ke3 cxb6 25.c7 Kd7 26.e8Q+ Kxc7 27.Qxf7+ Kd8 28.Qf8+ Kc7 29.Rh7+ Rg7 30.Rxg7+ Ne7 31.Qxe7+ Kb8 
  +-  (#32)   Depth: 56/62   00:00:56  1262MN
1.Kf3 Rg5 2.Ke2 Rg6 3.Kd2 Rg5 4.Kc2 Rg6 5.Kc1 Rg4 6.Kd1 Rg5 7.Kd2 Rg6 8.Ke2 Rg4 9.Ke3 Rg5 10.Kf3 Rg6 11.Kf4 a6 12.Kf3 Rg5 13.Ke2 Rg6 14.Kd2 Rg5 15.Kc2 Rg6 16.Kc1 Rg4 17.Kd1 Rg5 18.Kd2 Rg6 19.Ke2 Rg4 20.Ke3 Rg5 21.Kf3 Rg6 22.Kf4 Bb6 23.Nxb6 a5 24.Ke3 cxb6 25.c7 Kd7 26.e8Q+ Kxc7 27.Qxf7+ Kd8 28.Qf8+ Kc7 29.Rh7+ Rg7 30.Rxg7+ Ne7 31.Qxe7+ Kc6 32.Qxe6# 
  +-  (#32)   Depth: 57/64   00:01:05  1528MN
...
1.Kf3 Rg5 2.Ke2 Rg6 3.Kd1 Rg4 4.Kc1 Rg6 5.Kc2 Rg4 6.Kd1 Rg5 7.Kd2 Rg6 8.Ke2 Rg4 9.Ke3 Rg5 10.Kf3 Rg6 11.Kf4 a6 12.Kf3 Rg5 13.Ke2 Rg6 14.Kd2 Rg5 15.Kc2 Rg6 16.Kc1 Rg4 17.Kd1 Rg5 18.Kd2 Rg6 19.Ke2 Rg4 20.Ke3 Rg5 21.Kf3 Rg6 22.Kf4 Bb6 23.Nxb6 a5 24.Ke3 cxb6 25.Kf4 b5 26.axb5 a4 27.b6 a3 28.Rxg8+ Rxg8 29.b7 Rg4+ 30.Kxg4 a2 31.b8Q# 
  +-  (#31)   Depth: 62/62   00:02:00  3196MN
24 threads of 12x3GHz, 32G hash.

SF dev. with NNUE switched off or on is also almost at once on one of the two solutions with a winning eval, yet needs of course much longer (switched off after 30 minutes without NN) to a mating score.
Peter.

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Re: Test position

Post by Vinvin » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:45 pm

peter wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:37 pm
Hi Vincent!
Vinvin wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:51 am
Nice one !
Very hard to find the mate for all engines I tried.
N3k1nR/p1p1Pp2/2P1pPr1/b2pP3/P1pP1K2/2P3p1/6P1/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by MateFinder 050320 64:

Code: Select all

1.Ke3 Rg4 2.Ke2 Rg6 3.Kf3 Rg5 4.Kf4 Rg6 
  +/=  (0.61)   Depth: 7/8   00:00:12  21kN
...
1.Ke3 Rg4 2.Ke2 Rg6 3.Kd2 Rg5 4.Kd1 Rg4 5.Kc2 Rg5 6.Kd2 Rg6 7.Ke2 Rg4 8.Ke3 Rg5 9.Kf3 Rg6 10.Kf4 Bb6 11.Nxb6 axb6 12.Kf3 Rg5 13.Ke3 Rg4 14.Ke2 Rg6 15.Ke1 Rg5 16.Kd2 Rg6 17.Ke2 Rg4 18.Ke3 Rg5 19.Kf3 Rg6 20.Kf4 b5 21.a5 
  +-  (4.82)   Depth: 31/50   00:00:12  14927kN
1.Kf3 Rg5 2.Ke2 Rg6 3.Kd2 Rg5 4.Kd1 Rg4 5.Kc1 Rg6 6.Kc2 Rg4 7.Kd1 Rg5 8.Kd2 Rg6 9.Ke2 Rg5 10.Kf3 Rg6 11.Kf4 a6 12.Kf3 Rg5 13.Ke3 Rg4 14.Ke2 Rg6 15.Kd1 Rg4 16.Kc2 Rg6 17.Kc1 Rg4 18.Kd1 Rg6 19.Ke2 Rg5 20.Kf3 Rg6 21.Kf4 Bb6 22.Nxb6 cxb6 
  +-  (5.80)   Depth: 32/52   00:00:12  20408kN
...
1.Kf3 
  +-  (15.27 ++)   Depth: 35/51   00:00:19  205MN
1.Kf3 Rg5 2.Ke2 Rg6 3.Kd2 Rg5 4.Kc2 Rg6 5.Kc1 Rg4 6.Kd1 Rg5 7.Kd2 Rg4 8.Ke3 Rg5 9.Kf3 Rg6 10.Kf4 Bb6 11.Nxb6 axb6 12.Ke3 Rg4 13.Ke2 Rg6 14.Kd2 Rg5 15.Kc2 Rg4 16.Kb2 Rg6 17.Ka3 Rg4 18.Kb4 Rg6 19.Kb5 Rg5 20.Ka6 Rg4 21.Rxg8+ Rxg8 
  +-  (15.72)   Depth: 35/51   00:00:19  207MN
...
1.Kf3 Rg5 2.Kf4 Rg6 3.Ke3 Rg4 4.Ke2 Rg6 5.Kd1 Rg4 6.Kc1 Rg6 7.Kc2 Rg5 8.Kd2 Rg6 9.Ke2 Rg4 10.Ke3 Rg6 11.Kf4 a6 12.Kf3 Rg5 13.Ke2 Rg6 14.Kd2 Rg5 15.Kc1 Rg6 16.Kc2 Rg4 17.Kd1 Rg5 18.Kd2 Rg6 19.Ke2 Rg4 20.Ke3 Rg5 21.Kf3 Rg6 22.Kf4 Bb6 23.Nxb6 a5 24.Ke3 cxb6 25.c7 Kd7 26.e8Q+ Kxc7 27.Qxf7+ Kb8 28.Qe8+ Kb7 29.Rh7+ Rg7 30.Rxg7+ Ne7 31.Rxe7+ Ka6 
  +-  (20.12)   Depth: 36/60   00:00:25  364MN
1.Kf3 
  +-  (#33 ++)   Depth: 37/5   00:00:34  623MN
1.Kf3 Rg5 2.Ke2 Rg6 3.Kd1 Rg4 4.Kc1 Rg6 5.Kc2 Rg4 6.Kd1 Rg5 7.Kd2 Rg6 8.Ke2 Rg4 9.Ke3 Rg5 10.Kf3 Rg6 11.Kf4 a6 12.Kf3 Rg5 13.Ke2 Rg6 14.Kd2 Rg5 15.Kc2 Rg6 16.Kc1 Rg4 17.Kd1 Rg5 18.Kd2 Rg6 
  +-  (#33)   Depth: 37/36   00:00:34  623MN
...
1.Kf3 Rg5 2.Ke2 Rg6 3.Kd2 Rg5 4.Kc1 Rg6 5.Kc2 Rg4 6.Kd1 Rg5 7.Kd2 Rg6 8.Ke2 Rg4 9.Ke3 Rg5 10.Kf3 Rg6 11.Kf4 a6 12.Kf3 Rg5 13.Ke2 Rg6 14.Kd2 Rg5 15.Kc2 Rg6 16.Kc1 Rg4 17.Kd1 Rg5 18.Kd2 Rg6 19.Ke2 Rg4 20.Ke3 Rg5 21.Kf3 Rg6 22.Kf4 Bb6 23.Nxb6 cxb6 24.c7 Rxf6+ 25.exf6 Kd7 26.e8Q+ Kxc7 27.Rxg8 e5+ 28.Qxe5+ Kb7 29.Qxd5+ Kc7 30.Qxf7+ Kc6 
  +-  (#33)   Depth: 55/60   00:00:48  1013MN
1.Kf3 Rg5 2.Ke2 Rg6 3.Kd2 Rg5 4.Kc1 Rg6 5.Kc2 Rg4 6.Kd1 Rg5 7.Kd2 Rg6 8.Ke2 Rg4 9.Ke3 Rg5 10.Kf3 Rg6 11.Kf4 a6 12.Kf3 Rg5 13.Ke2 Rg6 14.Kd2 Rg5 15.Kc2 Rg6 16.Kc1 Rg4 17.Kd1 Rg5 18.Kd2 Rg6 19.Ke2 Rg4 20.Ke3 Rg5 21.Kf3 Rg6 22.Kf4 Bb6 23.Nxb6 a5 24.Ke3 cxb6 25.c7 Kd7 26.e8Q+ Kxc7 27.Qxf7+ Kd8 28.Qf8+ Kc7 29.Rh7+ Rg7 30.Rxg7+ Ne7 31.Qxe7+ Kb8 
  +-  (#32)   Depth: 56/62   00:00:56  1262MN
1.Kf3 Rg5 2.Ke2 Rg6 3.Kd2 Rg5 4.Kc2 Rg6 5.Kc1 Rg4 6.Kd1 Rg5 7.Kd2 Rg6 8.Ke2 Rg4 9.Ke3 Rg5 10.Kf3 Rg6 11.Kf4 a6 12.Kf3 Rg5 13.Ke2 Rg6 14.Kd2 Rg5 15.Kc2 Rg6 16.Kc1 Rg4 17.Kd1 Rg5 18.Kd2 Rg6 19.Ke2 Rg4 20.Ke3 Rg5 21.Kf3 Rg6 22.Kf4 Bb6 23.Nxb6 a5 24.Ke3 cxb6 25.c7 Kd7 26.e8Q+ Kxc7 27.Qxf7+ Kd8 28.Qf8+ Kc7 29.Rh7+ Rg7 30.Rxg7+ Ne7 31.Qxe7+ Kc6 32.Qxe6# 
  +-  (#32)   Depth: 57/64   00:01:05  1528MN
...
1.Kf3 Rg5 2.Ke2 Rg6 3.Kd1 Rg4 4.Kc1 Rg6 5.Kc2 Rg4 6.Kd1 Rg5 7.Kd2 Rg6 8.Ke2 Rg4 9.Ke3 Rg5 10.Kf3 Rg6 11.Kf4 a6 12.Kf3 Rg5 13.Ke2 Rg6 14.Kd2 Rg5 15.Kc2 Rg6 16.Kc1 Rg4 17.Kd1 Rg5 18.Kd2 Rg6 19.Ke2 Rg4 20.Ke3 Rg5 21.Kf3 Rg6 22.Kf4 Bb6 23.Nxb6 a5 24.Ke3 cxb6 25.Kf4 b5 26.axb5 a4 27.b6 a3 28.Rxg8+ Rxg8 29.b7 Rg4+ 30.Kxg4 a2 31.b8Q# 
  +-  (#31)   Depth: 62/62   00:02:00  3196MN
24 threads of 12x3GHz, 32G hash.

SF dev. with NNUE switched off or on is also almost at once on one of the two solutions with a winning eval, yet needs of course much longer (switched off after 30 minutes without NN) to a mating score.
It's not the position I quoted ...

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Re: Test position

Post by peter » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:56 pm

Vinvin wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:45 pm
It's not the position I quoted ...
Oops!
Kok-Bláthy 1938.
As I wrote in your quote ( :) ) this one's even harder because of the longer way of cyclic zugzwang.
SF Matefinder with Study Mode on here gets at least the right track:

6kB/3Pp1Pp/1p1rP3/pP6/P1K5/P2p3p/3P3P/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by MateFinder 050320 64:

Code: Select all

1.Kb3 Rd4 2.Ka2 Rd5 3.Kb2 Rd6 4.Kc3 
  +-  (1.72)   Depth: 7/7   00:00:10  15kN
...
1.Kc3 Rd5 2.Kc4 Rd6 3.Kb3 Rd4 4.Kb2 Rd6 5.Kb1 Rd4 6.Ka1 Rd5 
  +-  (3.07)   Depth: 13/15   00:00:10  113kN
...
1.Kc3 Rd5 2.Kc4 Rd6 3.Kb3 Rd4 4.Ka2 Rd5 5.Ka1 Rd4 6.Kb1 Rd5 7.Ka2 Rd6 8.Kb2 Rd4 9.Kb3 Rd5 10.Kc3 Rd6 11.Kc4 h6 12.Kc3 Rd5 13.Kb2 Rd6 14.Kb1 Rd4 15.Ka1 Rd5 16.Ka2 Rd6 17.Kb2 Rd4 18.Kb3 h5 19.Ka2 Rd5 20.Kb2 Rd6 21.Kb1 Rd4 22.Ka1 Rd5 23.Ka2 Rd4 
  +-  (3.28)   Depth: 35/46   00:00:11  6922kN
1.Kb3 Rd4 2.Ka2 Rd5 3.Ka1 Rd4 4.Kb1 Rd5 5.Ka2 Rd6 6.Kb2 Rd4 7.Kb3 Rd5 8.Kc3 Rd6 9.Kc4 h6 10.Kc3 Rd5 11.Kb2 Rd6 12.Kb1 Rd4 13.Ka1 Rd6 14.Kb2 Rd5 15.Kc3 Rd6 16.Kc4 h5 17.Kc3 Rd5 18.Kb3 Rd4 19.Kb2 Rd6 20.Ka2 Rd5 21.Ka1 Rd4 22.Kb1 Rd5 23.Ka2 Rd6 24.Kb2 Rd4 25.Kb3 
  +-  (3.29)   Depth: 36/57   00:00:11  8059kN
...
1.Kb3 Rd4 2.Ka2 Rd5 3.Ka1 Rd4 4.Kb1 Rd5 5.Ka2 Rd4 6.Kb3 Rd5 7.Kc3 Rd6 8.Kc4 h6 9.Kb3 Rd4 10.Ka2 Rd5 11.Ka1 Rd4 12.Kb1 Rd5 13.Ka2 Rd4 14.Kb3 Rd5 15.Kc3 Rd6 16.Kc4 h5 17.Kc3 Rd5 18.Kb2 Rd6 19.Kb1 Rd5 20.Ka2 Rd4 21.Kb3 Rd6 22.Kc4 h4 23.Kc3 Rd5 24.Kb3 Rd4 25.Kb2 Rd6 26.Kb1 Rd4 27.Ka1 Rd5 28.Ka2 
  +-  (5.42)   Depth: 46/64   00:00:12  70898kN
...
1.Kb3 Rd4 2.Ka2 Rd5 3.Kb1 Rd4 4.Ka1 Rd5 5.Ka2 Rd4 6.Kb3 Rd6 7.Kc4 h6 8.Kb3 Rd4 9.Kb2 Rd6 10.Ka2 Rd5 11.Kb1 Rd4 12.Ka1 Rd6 13.Kb2 Rd4 14.Kb3 Rd6 15.Kc4 h5 16.Kb3 Rd4 17.Kb2 Rd6 18.Kb1 Rd4 19.Ka1 Rd5 20.Ka2 Rd6 21.Kb2 Rd5 22.Kc3 Rd6 23.Kc4 h4 24.Kc3 Rd5 25.Kb2 Rd6 26.Ka1 Rd4 27.Kb1 Rd6 28.Kb2 Rd4 29.Kb3 Rd5 30.Kc3 Rd6 31.Kc4 Rc6+ 32.Kd4 Rd6+ 33.Ke5 
  +-  (16.08)   Depth: 48/72   00:07:08  14292MN
...
1.Kb3 Rd4 2.Ka2 Rd5 3.Ka1 Rd4 4.Kb1 Rd6 5.Kb2 Rd4 6.Kb3 Rd5 7.Kc3 Rd6 8.Kc4 h6 9.Kc3 Rd5 10.Kb3 Rd4 11.Kb2 Rd6 12.Kb1 Rd5 13.Ka2 Rd6 14.Kb2 Rd4 15.Kb3 Rd6 16.Kc4 h5 17.Kc3 Rd5 18.Kb2 Rd6 19.Ka1 Rd4 20.Kb1 Rd6 21.Kb2 Rd4 22.Kb3 Rd5 23.Kc3 Rd6 24.Kc4 h4 25.Kc3 Rd5 26.Kb2 Rd6 27.Ka1 Rd4 28.Kb1 Rd5 29.Ka2 Rd6 30.Kb2 Rd4 31.Kb3 Rd5 32.Kc3 Kh7 33.g8R Kxg8 34.Bf6 exf6 35.e7 Kg7 
  +-  (16.33)   Depth: 49/77   00:08:26  16993MN
...
1.Kb3 Rd4 2.Kb2 Rd6 3.Ka2 Rd5 4.Kb1 Rd4 5.Ka1 Rd5 6.Ka2 Rd6 7.Kb2 Rd4 8.Kb3 Rd5 9.Kc3 h6 10.Kb2 Rd6 11.Ka1 Rd4 12.Ka2 Rd6 13.Kb2 Rd4 14.Kb3 Rd5 15.Kc3 Rd6 16.Kc4 h5 17.Kc3 Rd5 18.Kb3 Rd4 19.Kb2 Rd6 20.Ka1 Rd5 21.Ka2 Rd6 22.Kb2 Rd5 23.Kc3 Rd6 24.Kc4 h4 25.Kb3 Rd4 26.Ka2 Rd5 27.Ka1 Kh7 28.Kb1 Rd6 29.Ka2 Kg8 30.Kb2 Rd4 31.Kb3 Rd5 32.Kc3 Kh7 33.Kc4 Rc5+ 34.Kd4 Rf5 35.d8Q Rf4+ 36.Kxd3 
  +-  (17.04)   Depth: 52/78   00:10:00  20091MN
...
1.Kb3 Rd4 2.Ka2 Rd5 3.Kb2 Rd6 4.Kb1 Rd5 5.Ka2 Rd4 6.Kb3 Rd5 7.Kc3 Rd6 8.Kc4 h6 9.Kc3 Rd5 10.Kb2 Rd6 11.Ka2 Rd5 12.Kb1 Rd4 13.Ka1 Rd5 14.Ka2 Rd6 15.Kb2 h5 16.Kb3 Rd4 17.Ka2 Rd5 18.Kb1 Rd4 19.Ka1 Rd6 20.Kb2 Rd4 21.Kb3 Rd5 22.Kc3 Rd6 23.Kc4 h4 24.Kc3 Rd5 25.Kb2 Rd6 26.Kb1 Rd4 27.Ka1 Rd5 28.Ka2 Kh7 29.g8Q+ Kxg8 30.Be5 Kh7 31.Bc7 Kg6 32.Bxb6 Kg7 33.d8Q Rxd8 34.Bxd8 Kh6 35.b6 Kh7 36.b7 Kh6 37.b8Q Kg6 38.Qe5 
  +-  (17.76)   Depth: 53/78   00:14:42  29873MN
And then I didn't want to wait anymore and did let it have a little Forward- Backward:

1.Kc3 Rd5 2.Kb2 Rd6 3.Kb1 Rd4 4.Ka1 Rd5 5.Ka2 Rd6 6.Kb2 Rd4 7.Kb3 Rd5 8.Kc3 Rd6 9.Kc4 h6 10.Kb3 Rd4 11.Ka2 Rd5 12.Ka1 Rd4 13.Kb1 Rd5 14.Ka2 Rd6 15.Kb2 Rd4 16.Kb3 Rd5 17.Kc3 Rd6 18.Kc4 h5 19.Kb3 Rd4 20.Kb2 Rd6 21.Kb1 Rd4 22.Ka1 Rd5 23.Ka2 Rd6 24.Kb2 Rd4 25.Kb3 Rd5 26.Kc3 Rd6 27.Kc4 h4 28.Kb3 Rd4 29.Kb2 Rd6 30.Kb1 Rd4 31.Ka1 Rd5 32.Ka2 Rd6 33.Kb2 Rd4 34.Kb3 Rd5 35.Kc3 Rd6 36.Kc4 Kh7 37.g8Q+ Kxg8 38.Be5 Rxe6 39.d8Q+ Kh7 40.Kd5 Rd6+ 41.Bxd6 exd6 42.Ke6 Kg7 43.Qg5+ Kh8 44.Kf6 d5 45.Qg7#
+- (#45) Depth: 93/90 00:01:29 3419MN
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Re: Test position

Post by MikeB » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:32 pm

Arpad Rusz wrote:
Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:28 pm


White wins!
This is with 30 cores as Bluefish was using the other 30 cores. Clean start - soon to be released Black-Diamond Xir5 - mate in 31 returned after 30 seconds. Hash 40960

Black Diamond XIr5 > info depth 41 seldepth 59 multipv 1 score mate 31 nodes 1636679142 nps 54548698 hashfull 498 tbhits 1097139 time 30004 pv f4e3 g6g4 e3e2 g4g6 e2d2 g6g5 d2c1 g5g6 c1c2 g6g4 c2d1 g4g5 d1d2 g5g6 d2e2 g6g4 e2e3 g4g5 e3f3 g5g6 f3f4 a7a6 f4f3 g6g5 f3e2 g5g6 e2d2 g6g5 d2c2 g5g6 c2c1 g6g4 c1d1 g4g5 d1d2 g5g6 d2e2 g6g4 e2e3 g4g5 e3f3 g5g6 f3f4 a5b6 a8b6 a6a5 f4e3 c7b6 e3f4 b6b5 a4b5 a5a4 b5b6 a4a3 h8g8 g6g8 b6b7 g8g4 f4g4

the first mate-in-31 was found after 6 seconds, but it gave up up a bit before settling down at 30 seconds ..

Black Diamond XIr5 > info depth 29 seldepth 55 multipv 1 score cp 9913 nodes 101237058 nps 49480478 hashfull 44 tbhits 15247 time 2046 pv f4e3 g6g4 e3e2 g4g6 e2d2 g6g5 d2c2 g5g4 c2d1 g4g5 d1d2 g5g6 d2e2 g6g4 e2e3 a7a6 e3e2 g4g6 e2d1 g6g4 d1c2 g4g6 c2c1 g6g5 c1d2 g5g6 d2e2 g6g4 e2e3 g4g5 e3f3 g5g6 f3f4 a5b6 a8b6 c7b6 c6c7 g6f6 e5f6

Black Diamond XIr5 > info depth 30 seldepth 55 multipv 1 score mate 36 nodes 140517629 nps 49530359 hashfull 58 tbhits 18404 time 2837 pv f4e3 g6g4 e3e2 g4g6 e2d1 g6g4 d1c2 g4g6 c2c1 g6g4 c1d1 g4g5 d1d2 g5g6 d2e2 g6g4 e2e3 g4g5 e3f3 g5g6 f3f4 a7a6 f4f3 g6g5 f3e2 g5g6 e2d2 g6g5 d2c1 g5g6 c1c2 g6g5 c2d2 g5g6 d2e2 g6g4 e2e3 g4g5 e3f3 g5g6 f3f4 a5b6 a8b6 a6a5 f4e3 c7b6 c6c7

Black Diamond XIr5 > info depth 31 seldepth 48 multipv 1 score mate 37 nodes 150367977 nps 49349516 hashfull 61 tbhits 18680 time 3047 pv f4e3 g6g4 e3e2 g4g6 e2d1 g6g4 d1c2 g4g6 c2c1 g6g4 c1d1 g4g5 d1d2 g5g6 d2e2 g6g4 e2e3 g4g5 e3f3 g5g6 f3f4 a7a6 f4f3 g6g5 f3e2 g5g6 e2d2 g6g5 d2c2 g5g6 c2c1 g6g4 c1d1 g4g5 d1d2 g5g6 d2e2 g6g4 e2e3 g4g5 e3f3 g5g6 f3f4 a5b6 a8b6 a6a5 f4e3 c7b6


Black Diamond XIr5 > info depth 32 seldepth 49 multipv 1 score mate 33 nodes 192214931 nps 49527165 hashfull 78 tbhits 23239 time 3881 pv f4e3 g6g4 e3e2 g4g6 e2d1 g6g4 d1c2 g4g6 c2c1 g6g4 c1d1 g4g5 d1d2 g5g6 d2e2 g6g4 e2e3 g4g5 e3f3 g5g6 f3f4 a7a6 f4f3 g6g5 f3e2 g5g6 e2d2 g6g5 d2c2 g5g6 c2c1 g6g4 c1d1 g4g5 d1d2 g5g6 d2e2 g6g4 e2e3 g4g5 e3f3 g5g6 f3f4 a5b6 a8b6 a6a5 f4e3 c7b6 c6c7

Black Diamond XIr5 > info depth 33 seldepth 48 multipv 1 score mate 33 nodes 203515151 nps 49577381 hashfull 85 tbhits 24201 time 4105 pv f4e3 g6g4 e3e2 g4g6 e2d2 g6g5 d2c1 g5g6 c1c2 g6g4 c2d1 g4g5 d1d2 g5g6 d2e2 g6g4 e2e3 g4g5 e3f3 g5g6 f3f4 a7a6 f4f3 g6g5 f3e2 g5g6 e2d2 g6g5 d2c1 g5g6 c1c2 g6g4 c2d1 g4g5 d1d2 g5g6 d2e2 g6g4 e2e3 g4g5 e3f3 g5g6 f3f4 a5b6 a8b6 a6a5 f4e3 c7b6

Black Diamond XIr5 > info depth 34 seldepth 52 multipv 1 score mate 32 nodes 236301523 nps 49831615 hashfull 102 tbhits 33439 time 4742 pv f4e3 g6g4 e3e2 g4g6 e2d1 g6g4 d1c1 g4g6 c1c2 g6g4 c2d1 g4g5 d1d2 g5g6 d2e2 g6g4 e2e3 g4g5 e3f3 g5g6 f3f4 a7a6 f4f3 g6g5 f3e2 g5g6 e2d2 g6g5 d2c2 g5g6 c2c1 g6g4 c1d1 g4g5 d1d2 g5g6 d2e2 g6g4 e2e3 g4g5 e3f3 g5g6 f3f4 a5b6 a8b6 a6a5 f4e3 c7b6 c6c7 e8d7 e7e8q d7c7 e8f7 c7d8 f7e7 d8c8 e7e8 c8b7

Black Diamond XIr5 > info depth 35 seldepth 50 multipv 1 score mate 32 nodes 283551463 nps 50062052 hashfull 115 tbhits 38576 time 5664 pv f4e3 g6g4 e3e2 g4g6 e2d2 g6g5 d2c1 g5g6 c1c2 g6g4 c2d1 g4g5 d1d2 g5g6 d2e2 g6g4 e2e3 g4g5 e3f3 g5g6 f3f4 a7a6 f4f3 g6g5 f3e2 g5g6 e2d2 g6g5 d2c2 g5g6 c2c1 g6g4 c1d1 g4g5 d1d2 g5g6 d2e2 g6g4 e2e3 g4g5 e3f3 g5g6 f3f4 a5b6 a8b6 a6a5 f4e3 c7b6 c6c7 e8d7 e7e8q d7c7 e8f7 c7b8

Black Diamond XIr5 > info depth 36 seldepth 56 multipv 1 score mate 31 nodes 338846588 nps 50559025 hashfull 131 tbhits 48040 time 6702 pv f4e3 g6g4 e3e2 g4g6 e2d1 g6g4 d1c2 g4g6 c2c1 g6g4 c1d1 g4g5 d1d2 g5g6 d2e2 g6g4 e2e3 g4g5 e3f3 g5g6 f3f4 a7a6 f4f3 g6g5 f3e2 g5g6 e2d2 g6g5 d2c2 g5g6 c2c1 g6g4 c1d1 g4g5 d1d2 g5g6 d2e2 g6g4 e2e3 g4g5 e3f3 g5g6 f3f4 a5b6 a8b6 a6a5 f4e3 c7b6 c6c7 e8d7 e7e8q d7c7 e8f7 c7d8 f7f8 d8d7 h8h7 g6g7 h7g7 g8e7 g7e7
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Re: Test position

Post by nnnnnnnn » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:46 pm

peter wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:34 pm

"Dual" has an other meaning as for studies as it has for test postions. A dual in a study is a second move of solution no matter of length to mate. Major Dual means dual at first move, Minor Dual at later moves.
This is not the commonly understood use of the terms "major dual" or "minor dual" in studies.

Generally, we consider a major dual to be a thematic dual: in a win study, white has two ways two win (or in a draw studies, white has two ways to avoid loss).

A minor dual is any dual that is not considered to impact the theme of the study. An example of this would be a loss-of-time dual, where white can delay winning before entering the main thematic line. Another example would be a white promotion of a pawn to a queen that is immediately captured: it might be that even if white promoted to a rook, black's only winning move is to capture the rook, but this is not considered a major dual.

Compare the use of these terms in problems,
In a direct problem dual occurs when in the course of solution White can choose a different continuation than the intended one. Dual in main variation is considered a major dual (or serious dual) and completely demolishes the problem. Dual in a by-variation is minor dual or harmless dual
(Encyclopedia of Chess Problems (2012) p. 147)

In studies the idea is similar: whether a dual is a minor or major dual does not depend on what move it occurs in, but in its importance to the theme. See also a brief discussion about duals in studies in A.J. Roycroft, Test Tube Chess (1972), p. 39.

This definition is simply common sense. "Major" means "important" here, so a "major dual" is one which ruins the study. "Minor" means "not so important" so a study can survive a minor dual. Therefore, whether a dual is "major" or "minor" has to do with how much the dual move impacts the theme. Whether the dual occurs on move 1 of the study or move 3 of the study is irrelevant to the dual's importance to the study. There is no reason to call a dual "minor" if the central theme of the study is demolished, even if the dual occurred at move 3.

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Re: Test position

Post by peter » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:32 am

nnnnnnnn wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:46 pm
peter wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:34 pm

"Dual" has an other meaning as for studies as it has for test postions. A dual in a study is a second move of solution no matter of length to mate. Major Dual means dual at first move, Minor Dual at later moves.
This is not the commonly understood use of the terms "major dual" or "minor dual" in studies.

Generally, we consider a major dual to be a thematic dual: in a win study, white has two ways two win (or in a draw studies, white has two ways to avoid loss).

A minor dual is any dual that is not considered to impact the theme of the study. An example of this would be a loss-of-time dual, where white can delay winning before entering the main thematic line. Another example would be a white promotion of a pawn to a queen that is immediately captured: it might be that even if white promoted to a rook, black's only winning move is to capture the rook, but this is not considered a major dual.

Compare the use of these terms in problems,
In a direct problem dual occurs when in the course of solution White can choose a different continuation than the intended one. Dual in main variation is considered a major dual (or serious dual) and completely demolishes the problem. Dual in a by-variation is minor dual or harmless dual
(Encyclopedia of Chess Problems (2012) p. 147)

In studies the idea is similar: whether a dual is a minor or major dual does not depend on what move it occurs in, but in its importance to the theme. See also a brief discussion about duals in studies in A.J. Roycroft, Test Tube Chess (1972), p. 39.

This definition is simply common sense. "Major" means "important" here, so a "major dual" is one which ruins the study. "Minor" means "not so important" so a study can survive a minor dual. Therefore, whether a dual is "major" or "minor" has to do with how much the dual move impacts the theme. Whether the dual occurs on move 1 of the study or move 3 of the study is irrelevant to the dual's importance to the study. There is no reason to call a dual "minor" if the central theme of the study is demolished, even if the dual occurred at move 3.
Thanks for the very detailed explantation, of course number of moves along the lines isn't the only one criterion for calling a dual major or minor, but It's usally one of them yet too. A dual at move 7 won't count as much as at first one in practice. If a second way of solution isn't about the same thematic content as the main solution is, it's judges' task to decide how much meaning that has for their rating of the piece.So the term major or minor dual is always to be seen in context of a single certain example. You can't judge a certain study out of a text in an Encyclopedia, otherwise you wouldn't need judges at all.

All I wanted to point out was if a (computer-chess) test- position has more than one solution it's not the same to say it has a dual solution as this means in terms of composed studies.
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Re: Test position

Post by cc2150dx » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:28 pm

Arpad Rusz wrote:
Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:28 pm


White wins!

Stockfinn:
Found 145 tablebases
NNUE nn.bin found & loaded
Hash table allocation: Windows large pages not used.
Found 145 tablebases
1/1 00:00 240 240k -1.45 Na8xc7+ Ba5xc7
2/2 00:00 465 465k -1.45 Na8xc7+ Ba5xc7
3/3 00:00 1k 1,075k -2.72 Na8-b6 Ba5xb6 a4-a5
4/4 00:00 2k 1,636k +1.06 Kf4-f3
5/4 00:00 2k 1,151k +1.34 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5
6/6 00:00 3k 1,568k +1.96 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-f4 Rg5-f5+ Kf4-g4
7/8 00:00 5k 2,461k +0.18 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g4 Kd2-c1
8/9 00:00 6k 2,857k +0.88 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g4 Kd2-c1
9/10 00:00 7k 3,489k +2.16 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4
10/13 00:00 11k 5,555k 0.00 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6
11/7 00:00 14k 7,004k 0.00 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6
12/7 00:00 18k 6,035k 0.00 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6
13/9 00:00 20k 6,833k 0.00 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-f4 Rg5-g6
14/5 00:00 23k 7,504k 0.00 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-f4 Rg5-g6
15/24 00:00 34k 8,476k 0.00 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-f4 Rg5-g6 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-e3
16/11 00:00 36k 9,032k 0.00 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-f4 Rg5-g6 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6
17/19 00:00 39k 9,822k 0.00 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-f4 Rg5-g6 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6
18/23 00:00 59k 11,844k +1.11 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c2 Rg5-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3
19/26 00:00 104k 12,953k +2.54 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c2 Rg5-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g6 Kd1-e2 Rg6-g5 Ke2-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2
20/33 00:00 143k 14,309k +2.56 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c2 Rg5-g6 Kc2-c1 Rg6-g5 Kc1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g5 Ke2-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c2 Rg5-g6 Kc2-c1 Rg6-g4 Kc1-d1 Rg4-g6 Kd1-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3
21/35 00:00 169k 15,368k +2.56 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-f3 Rg4-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c2 Rg4-g6 Kc2-c1 Rg6-g5 Kc1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g5 Ke2-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c2 Rg5-g6 Kc2-c1
22/40 00:00 193k 16,114k +2.68 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c2 Rg5-g6 Kc2-c1 Rg6-g5 Kc1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g5 Ke2-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-f3 Rg4-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c2 Rg5-g6 Kc2-c1
23/39 00:00 228k 16,276k +2.80 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-f3 Rg4-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c2 Rg5-g6 Kc2-c1 Rg6-g4 Kc1-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-f3 Rg4-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c2
24/38 00:00 309k 18,151k +2.80 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-f3 Rg4-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c2 Rg5-g6 Kc2-c1 Rg6-g5 Kc1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e3 Rg5-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5
25/39 00:00 329k 18,272k +2.80 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c2 Rg5-g6 Kc2-c1 Rg6-g5 Kc1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 a7xb6 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-d2 Rg4-g5 Kd2-c2 Rg5-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2
26/41 00:00 448k 18,673k +2.91 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e3 Rg5-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 a7-a6 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g4 Kc1-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4
27/43 00:00 529k 18,905k +3.10 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e3 Rg5-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g6 Ke3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 a7xb6 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-d2 Rg4-g5 Kd2-c2 Rg5-g6 Kc2-c1 Rg6-g4 Kc1-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4
28/43 00:00 561k 18,696k +3.10 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e3 Rg5-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g6 Ke3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4
29/49 00:00 695k 19,304k +3.43 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e3 Rg5-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g6 Ke3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e3 Rg5-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6
30/52 00:00 1,108k 19,794k +4.63 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g5 Kc2-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-d1 Rg5-g4 Kd1-c2 Rg4-g6 Kc2-c1 Rg6-g5 Kc1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2
31/46 00:00 1,582k 19,773k +4.96 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g6 Kd1-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-d1 Rg5-g4 Kd1-c2 Rg4-g6 Kc2-c1 Rg6-g4 Kc1-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6
32/52 00:00 1,976k 19,763k +5.22 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-d1 Rg5-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g5 Kc2-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 a7-a6 Kf3-e3 Rg5-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c2 Rg5-g6 Kc2-c1 Rg6-g4 Kc1-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g6 Ke3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6
33/52 00:00 2,585k 19,884k +5.40 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-f3 Rg4-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-d1 Rg5-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g5 Kc2-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-d1 Rg5-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g6 Kd1-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4
34/54 00:00 3,682k 20,455k +6.01 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g5 Kc2-d2 Rg5-g4 Kd2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-d1 Rg5-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g5 Kc2-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7
35/54 00:00 6,652k 21,388k +6.76 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g6 Ke3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-d1 Rg5-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7
36/52 00:00 12,672k 19,258k +9.00 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-d1 Rg5-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Rg6-g4+ Kf4xg4
37/66 00:02 42,141k 16,519k +15.58 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g4 Kc1-d1 Rg4-g6 Kd1-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Ba5-b6 Ke3-f3 Rg4-g5 Kf3-f4 Rg5-g6 Na8xb6 a7xb6 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-d2 Rg4-g5 Kd2-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-e1 Rg6-g4 Ke1-d1 Rg4-g7 f6xg7 Ke8xe7 Rh8xg8
38/47 00:02 42,864k 16,455k +15.67 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g4 Kd2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 a7-a6 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c2 Rg5-g6 Kc2-c1 Rg6-g4 Kc1-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g6 Ke3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Rg6xf6+ e5xf6 Ke8-d7 e7-e8Q+ Kd7xc7 Qe8xf7+ Kc7-d6 Rh8xg8
39/58 00:02 43,185k 16,439k +16.26 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e3 Rg5-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c2 Rg5-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3
40/46 00:02 43,780k 16,379k +M32 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3
41/41 00:02 43,873k 16,358k +M32 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 a7xb6 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-d2 Rg4-g5 Kd2-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-e1 Rg6-g4 Ke1-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3
42/42 00:02 43,978k 16,337k +M32 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 a7xb6 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-d2 Rg4-g5 Kd2-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-e1 Rg6-g4 Ke1-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6
43/43 00:02 44,184k 16,310k +M32 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 a7xb6 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-d2 Rg4-g5 Kd2-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-e1 Rg6-g4 Ke1-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4
44/44 00:02 44,299k 16,298k +M32 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6
45/45 00:02 44,356k 16,289k +M32 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6
46/46 00:02 44,581k 16,253k +M32 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6
47/47 00:02 44,605k 16,249k +M32 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7
48/48 00:02 44,780k 16,213k +M32 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Rg6-g4+ Kf4-e3
49/49 00:02 45,227k 16,135k +M32 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Rg6-g4+ Kf4-e3
50/51 00:02 45,253k 16,133k +M32 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Rg6-g4+ Kf4-e3 Rg4-e4+ Ke3-f3
51/52 00:02 45,503k 16,085k +M32 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Rg6-g4+ Kf4-e3 Rg4-e4+ Ke3-f3 Re4-e3+ Kf3xe3
52/53 00:02 45,676k 16,055k +M32 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Rg6-g4+ Kf4-e3 Rg4-e4+ Ke3-f3 Re4-e3+ Kf3xe3
53/56 00:02 45,776k 16,039k +M32 Kf4-e3 Rg6-g4 Ke3-e2 Rg4-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Rg6-g4+ Kf4-e3 Rg4-e4+ Ke3-f3 Re4-e3+ Kf3xe3 Ke8-d7 e7-e8Q+ Kd7xc7
54/60 00:02 46,227k 15,968k +M31 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Ke8-d7 e7-e8Q+ Kd7xc7 Qe8xf7+ Kc7-d8 Qf7-e7+ Kd8-c8 Qe7-e8+ Kc8-c7 Rh8-h7+ Rg6-g7 Rh7xg7+ Ng8-e7
55/62 00:02 46,450k 15,935k +M31 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Ke8-d7 e7-e8Q+ Kd7xc7 Qe8xf7+ Kc7-d8 Qf7-e7+ Kd8-c8 Qe7-e8+ Kc8-c7 Rh8-h7+ Rg6-g7 Rh7xg7+ Ng8-e7 Rg7xe7+
56/62 00:02 46,732k 15,884k +M31 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Ke8-d7 e7-e8Q+ Kd7xc7 Qe8xf7+ Kc7-d8 Qf7-e7+ Kd8-c8 Qe7-e8+ Kc8-c7 Rh8-h7+ Rg6-g7 Rh7xg7+ Ng8-e7 Rg7xe7+
57/62 00:02 47,078k 15,830k +M31 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Ke8-d7 e7-e8Q+ Kd7xc7 Qe8xf7+ Kc7-d8 Qf7-e7+ Kd8-c8 Qe7-e8+ Kc8-c7 Rh8-h7+ Rg6-g7 Rh7xg7+ Ng8-e7 Rg7xe7+
58/62 00:03 47,593k 15,749k +M31 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Ke8-d7 e7-e8Q+ Kd7xc7 Qe8xf7+ Kc7-d8 Qf7-e7+ Kd8-c8 Qe7-e8+ Kc8-c7 Rh8-h7+ Rg6-g7 Rh7xg7+ Ng8-e7 Rg7xe7+
59/62 00:03 47,813k 15,718k +M31 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Rg6xf6+ e5xf6 Ke8-d7 e7-e8Q+ Kd7xc7 Qe8xf7+ Kc7-c6 Qf7xe6+ Kc6-c7 Rh8-h7+ Ng8-e7 Rh7xe7+ Kc7-d8 Qe6-d7+
60/62 00:03 47,992k 15,689k +M31 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Rg6xf6+ e5xf6 Ke8-d7 e7-e8Q+ Kd7xc7 Qe8xf7+ Kc7-c6 Qf7xe6+ Kc6-c7 Rh8-h7+ Ng8-e7 Rh7xe7+ Kc7-d8 Qe6-d7+
61/62 00:03 48,529k 15,609k +M31 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Rg6xf6+ e5xf6 Ke8-d7 e7-e8Q+ Kd7xc7 Qe8xf7+ Kc7-c6 Qf7xe6+ Kc6-c7 Rh8-h7+ Ng8-e7 Rh7xe7+ Kc7-d8 Qe6-d7+
62/62 00:03 48,956k 15,537k +M31 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Rg6xf6+ e5xf6 Ke8-d7 e7-e8Q+ Kd7xc7 Qe8xf7+ Kc7-c6 Qf7xe6+ Kc6-c7 Rh8-h7+ Ng8-e7 Rh7xe7+ Kc7-b8 Qe6-g8+
63/62 00:03 49,924k 15,394k +M31 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Rg6xf6+ e5xf6 Ke8-d7 e7-e8Q+ Kd7xc7 Qe8xf7+ Kc7-c6 Qf7xe6+ Kc6-c7 Rh8-h7+ Ng8-e7 Rh7xe7+ Kc7-b8 Qe6-g8+
64/62 00:03 50,705k 15,282k +M31 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Rg6xf6+ e5xf6 Ke8-d7 e7-e8Q+ Kd7xc7 Qe8xf7+ Kc7-c6 Qf7xe6+ Kc6-c7 Rh8-h7+ Ng8-e7 Rh7xe7+ Kc7-b8 Qe6-g8+
65/62 00:03 53,004k 15,007k +M31 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Rg6xf6+ e5xf6 Ke8-d7 e7-e8Q+ Kd7xc7 Qe8xf7+ Kc7-c6 Qf7xe6+ Kc6-c7 Rh8-h7+ Ng8-e7 Rh7xe7+ Kc7-b8 Qe6-g8+
66/62 00:03 53,385k 14,966k +M31 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Rg6xf6+ e5xf6 Ke8-d7 e7-e8Q+ Kd7xc7 Qe8xf7+ Kc7-c6 Qf7xe6+ Kc6-c7 Rh8-h7+ Ng8-e7 Rh7xe7+ Kc7-b8 Qe6-g8+
67/62 00:03 53,941k 14,909k +M31 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Rg6xf6+ e5xf6 Ke8-d7 e7-e8Q+ Kd7xc7 Qe8xf7+ Kc7-c6 Qf7xe6+ Kc6-c7 Rh8-h7+ Ng8-e7 Rh7xe7+ Kc7-b8 Qe6-g8+
68/62 00:03 55,087k 14,792k +M31 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 c7xb6 c6-c7 Rg6xf6+ e5xf6 Ke8-d7 e7-e8Q+ Kd7xc7 Qe8xf7+ Kc7-c6 Qf7xe6+ Kc6-c7 Rh8-h7+ Ng8-e7 Rh7xe7+ Kc7-b8 Qe6-g8+
69/62 00:04 60,752k 14,268k +M31 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d1 Rg6-g4 Kd1-c1 Rg4-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 a7-a6 Kf4-f3 Rg6-g5 Kf3-e2 Rg5-g6 Ke2-d2 Rg6-g5 Kd2-c1 Rg5-g6 Kc1-c2 Rg6-g4 Kc2-d1 Rg4-g5 Kd1-d2 Rg5-g6 Kd2-e2 Rg6-g4 Ke2-e3 Rg4-g5 Ke3-f3 Rg5-g6 Kf3-f4 Ba5-b6 Na8xb6 a6-a5 Kf4-e3 c7xb6 c6-c7 Ke8-d7 e7-e8Q+ Kd7xc7 Qe8xf7+ Kc7-c6 Rh8-h7 Ng8-e7 Qf7xe6+ Kc6-b7 Qe6xe7+ Kb7-a6 Qe7-a7+
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Re: Test position

Post by nnnnnnnn » Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:19 am

peter wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:32 am

All I wanted to point out was if a (computer-chess) test- position has more than one solution it's not the same to say it has a dual solution as this means in terms of composed studies.
I agree.

I should have cited the best contemporary discussion known to me of the difference between minor and major duals: "A Minor Dual Is Not a Big Deal", Harold van der Heijden, EG 170 (2007), at http://www.arves.org/arves/index.php/en ... a-big-deal.

Also, it is far from clear to me that the Salai win study (Sachova Skladba/4 EG#16028, 2011, 1p. Heijden database #3465)



has a major dual at move 1, as was claimed on some other threads. After the proposed dual 1. Bd1!? (1. f4!), black has 1...Bd2 2. f4 B:f4 3. Kd7 Bd2 4. Kc6 Ba5 5. b4 c:b4 6. Bb3+ the position repeats the main line one move delayed. Thus, the Salai study here might be considered a loss-of-time dual, that is a minor dual, on move 1. However, I am not sure either of the accuracy of my analysis nor or of precisely how that analysis ought to impact the question of whether the study has a major or minor dual. My intuition is that this is a minor dual, but I have not investigated it in detail.

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