You must be snakebit, George. I've had good luck with Win 7.geots wrote:Because whoever thought up Windows 7 should be chained to a stovepipe in hell.
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You must be snakebit, George. I've had good luck with Win 7.geots wrote:Because whoever thought up Windows 7 should be chained to a stovepipe in hell.
For a clarification, could you explain that you mean XEON based on Ivy Bridge, and not standard Ivy Bridge which is detailed here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_Bridge ... tecture%29 ?NATIONAL12 wrote:I am waiting for Ivy Bridge,end of year and hope intel will allow O/C with those cpu's.
Dan Honeycutt wrote:You must be snakebit, George. I've had good luck with Win 7.geots wrote:Because whoever thought up Windows 7 should be chained to a stovepipe in hell.
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Dragulic wrote:First, may I introduce myself to this learned and distinguished forum? I am a research engineer with limited brains but still more limited money to spend on my hobby of Chess and Go.
So to my question. For chess research and other, gp uses, I am now ready to spend $8k on a Windows PC, now. I plan (all parts are shipping already):
Win 8 is Win 7 with a different interface.geots wrote:Dragulic wrote:First, may I introduce myself to this learned and distinguished forum? I am a research engineer with limited brains but still more limited money to spend on my hobby of Chess and Go.
So to my question. For chess research and other, gp uses, I am now ready to spend $8k on a Windows PC, now. I plan (all parts are shipping already):
2 x E5-2687W Intel Sandy Bridge Xeon S2011 CPUs. 8 Real Cores per CPU. Here http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/xeo ... ,3149.html is the review. It will run all 16 cores at 3.4GHz in turbo mode, even before overclocking. Today many top engines are not so good above 4 cores, but soon this can change.
64Gb Corsair PC3-12800 (1.6GHz) DDR3 Quad Channel RAM (4 x 16Gb). This gives 4Gb per real core. Ideal?
SuperMicro X9DAi motherboard with SATA III 6Gb/s, PCI-E 3.0. Here http://www.supermicro.com/products/moth ... /X9DAi.cfm are the specification.
SSD HDD for fast EGTB access, capacity to be researched but I think 0.3Tb is enough, I can move needed EGTBs from main HDD as needed. Big SSD/array are still too expensive.
Top-end air-cooling. Or?
Rest can be obvious, Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate (8 will be bad, microsoft alternation good-bad-good-bad-), very fine 0.9kW modular PSU, some cr-p graphics card for kids, 3Gb 120Hz Barracuda HDD...
I would like commentaries, critiques and recommendations. E5-2687W looks like the real winner, but you may have more information? AMD quad CPU each 4/6-core? What chess and overclock speeds can I expect? Is there a better mobo for overclocking? Is RAM chosen a bottleneck? Other understanding error by me? Anyone else already got similar system? I can see one kburcham was considering this: http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41204. A Sedat Canbaz benchmark yet? Help!
TU, friends.......
Glad to hear that microsoft alternates good-bad-good-bad! If that is true, then the next operating system is destined to be the best thing to ever hit the face of the earth.
Because whoever thought up Windows 7 should be chained to a stovepipe in hell.
Yep,it was about time for a bad releaseDragulic wrote:Yes, but you may be out of sync? Good/Bad are relative.geots wrote: Glad to hear that microsoft alternates good-bad-good-bad!
Taking mainstream (so, no NT or 2000):
Win 1/2/3... All bad, did not even work
Win 3.1/3.11... Good
Win 95... Bad
Win 98/SE... Good
Win Millennium... Bad
Win XP... Good
Win Vista... Bad
Win 7... Good, surely much better then Vista
Win 8...
They're like Star Trek movies.Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Yep,it was about time for a bad releaseDragulic wrote:Yes, but you may be out of sync? Good/Bad are relative.geots wrote: Glad to hear that microsoft alternates good-bad-good-bad!
Taking mainstream (so, no NT or 2000):
Win 1/2/3... All bad, did not even work
Win 3.1/3.11... Good
Win 95... Bad
Win 98/SE... Good
Win Millennium... Bad
Win XP... Good
Win Vista... Bad
Win 7... Good, surely much better then Vista
Win 8...
It is very limited, relative to size of one worldwide derivatives market, sized in 2010 @ $1,200,000,000,000,000.00 (one thousand two hundred trillion dollars). http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/06/09/ ... market-gdpacase wrote:$8000 doesn't sound very "limited"
Then, it can be Win 8 is good. Next one will be bad.Terry McCracken wrote:Win 8 is Win 7 with a different interface.
Absolutely TerryTerry McCracken wrote:They're like Star Trek movies.Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Yep,it was about time for a bad releaseDragulic wrote:Yes, but you may be out of sync? Good/Bad are relative.geots wrote: Glad to hear that microsoft alternates good-bad-good-bad!
Taking mainstream (so, no NT or 2000):
Win 1/2/3... All bad, did not even work
Win 3.1/3.11... Good
Win 95... Bad
Win 98/SE... Good
Win Millennium... Bad
Win XP... Good
Win Vista... Bad
Win 7... Good, surely much better then Vista
Win 8...
It is, but...for most of us the interface sucks! How to ruin a good thing?Dragulic wrote:It is very limited, relative to size of one worldwide derivatives market, sized in 2010 @ $1,200,000,000,000,000.00 (one thousand two hundred trillion dollars). http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/06/09/ ... market-gdpacase wrote:$8000 doesn't sound very "limited"
In crazy world, only Go make sense. Chess is more sinister then Go, but still make more sense then world.
Then, it can be Win 8 is good. Next one will be bad.Terry McCracken wrote:Win 8 is Win 7 with a different interface.
But, where this leaves my quest for the chess research rig? 2 x X5690 or 2 x X5680 will defeat all released unoverclockable E5s.