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Post by Daniel Shawul » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:59 pm

yeah yeah another postmortem specialist wannabe.
For the record, I was not fooled at this (even though I was yesterday) so I don't know why you are replying to me


Obviously you admit you fell for it the previous day.
Oh man. You got it backwards. Infact I made a separate post about it on that day (the futuristic Let's check feature that allows you to pry on other peoples studies). I thought that was it until someone replied seriously to me.
So I was pranked on that. There were two devious posts on the actual april fools day not pogo pogo's.

a) chess + billiards ( easy to get with a google that it was true)

b) Let's check crystal ball.

I thought the second one was a prank and many people thought that too.

(I will look that post for you)

Edit:
My post that shows I was watching their every move:
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43124

Sorry to bust your wishful thinking :)

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Post by JuLieN » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:15 pm

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Re: Luke skywalker has done it again.

Post by Daniel Shawul » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:15 pm

Terry McCracken wrote:
Daniel Shawul wrote:I do not know what you are talking about but I was always under the impression that this was the april fools prank. Do you really think I belived it when I post it as a Luke Skywalker and sucking you Vas hater fools in ?

Clearly you are deluded to not see that Rybka is the one used not a dumbed down version which does alpha-beta only that is required for a proof.
It is a probabilitic proof that was claimed to have been done to 99.99999% accuracy. You can bring down chess to any level you want (say that of checkers) with prunings. No one said it is a proof like the checkers case so it indeed lame to say that was what is meant.
No you can't! I don't give a damn what some may think is or is not possible.
Why do you think it is claimed as "probablistic proof" if they have to use dumbed down version i.e alpha-beta gives same score as min-max? That is only required for a proof as in checkers. Even the 5.12 termination is not required to show that it is possible with the current Rybka as it is.

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Re: Luke skywalker has done it again.

Post by Terry McCracken » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:21 pm

Daniel Shawul wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
Daniel Shawul wrote:I do not know what you are talking about but I was always under the impression that this was the april fools prank. Do you really think I belived it when I post it as a Luke Skywalker and sucking you Vas hater fools in ?

Clearly you are deluded to not see that Rybka is the one used not a dumbed down version which does alpha-beta only that is required for a proof.
It is a probabilitic proof that was claimed to have been done to 99.99999% accuracy. You can bring down chess to any level you want (say that of checkers) with prunings. No one said it is a proof like the checkers case so it indeed lame to say that was what is meant.
No you can't! I don't give a damn what some may think is or is not possible.
Why do you think it is claimed as "probablistic proof" if they have to use dumbed down version i.e alpha-beta gives same score as min-max? That is only required for a proof as in checkers. Even the 5.12 termination is not required to show that it is possible with the current Rybka as it is.
I don't think it is. I've already explained and I'm not going to explain again. Got it?

It's hard to believe you're a programmer. Then again...?!
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Re: More

Post by Terry McCracken » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:22 pm

JuLieN wrote:Image

Julien: Super Nanny, I have two kids totally out of control! They keep fighting and won't listen at all. Do you think you could handle them?
Super Nanny: You bet I can!!! Bring them to me!
I think Super Nanny is a bit naughty...Don't you?
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Re: Luke skywalker has done it again.

Post by Daniel Shawul » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:29 pm

Terry McCracken wrote:
Daniel Shawul wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
Daniel Shawul wrote:I do not know what you are talking about but I was always under the impression that this was the april fools prank. Do you really think I belived it when I post it as a Luke Skywalker and sucking you Vas hater fools in ?

Clearly you are deluded to not see that Rybka is the one used not a dumbed down version which does alpha-beta only that is required for a proof.
It is a probabilitic proof that was claimed to have been done to 99.99999% accuracy. You can bring down chess to any level you want (say that of checkers) with prunings. No one said it is a proof like the checkers case so it indeed lame to say that was what is meant.
No you can't! I don't give a damn what some may think is or is not possible.
Why do you think it is claimed as "probablistic proof" if they have to use dumbed down version i.e alpha-beta gives same score as min-max? That is only required for a proof as in checkers. Even the 5.12 termination is not required to show that it is possible with the current Rybka as it is.
I don't think it is. I've already explained and I'm not going to explain again. Got it?

It's hard to believe you're a programmer. Then again...?!
Well that is your problem then. They even admitted that there could be flaws , which has been discussed here many times already. I thought the whole point was the strange 99.999999% assurance so I was disapointed to see today in their explanation, that they said it was impossible based on an exact proof which was never the point. I think they worded the question wrong to Ken thompson and vas as well. Maybe something like:
Can chess be solved ? No ofcourse not easy.
But you can claim that you are 99.999999% lost if you are 2 pieces down ?
They even gave that example to demonstrate the feasibility of the experiment.

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Re: More

Post by JuLieN » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:40 pm

Terry McCracken wrote:
JuLieN wrote:Image

Julien: Super Nanny, I have two kids totally out of control! They keep fighting and won't listen at all. Do you think you could handle them?
Super Nanny: You bet I can!!! Bring them to me!
I think Super Nanny is a bit naughty...Don't you?
That's the spirit!
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Re: Luke skywalker has done it again.

Post by ATOMICC » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:47 pm

Daniel Shawul wrote:...
But you can claim that you are 99.999999% lost if you are 2 pieces down ?
...
What if the two pieces are Knights? :)
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Re: Luke skywalker has done it again.

Post by Terry McCracken » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:48 pm

Daniel Shawul wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
Daniel Shawul wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
Daniel Shawul wrote:I do not know what you are talking about but I was always under the impression that this was the april fools prank. Do you really think I belived it when I post it as a Luke Skywalker and sucking you Vas hater fools in ?

Clearly you are deluded to not see that Rybka is the one used not a dumbed down version which does alpha-beta only that is required for a proof.
It is a probabilitic proof that was claimed to have been done to 99.99999% accuracy. You can bring down chess to any level you want (say that of checkers) with prunings. No one said it is a proof like the checkers case so it indeed lame to say that was what is meant.
No you can't! I don't give a damn what some may think is or is not possible.
Why do you think it is claimed as "probablistic proof" if they have to use dumbed down version i.e alpha-beta gives same score as min-max? That is only required for a proof as in checkers. Even the 5.12 termination is not required to show that it is possible with the current Rybka as it is.
I don't think it is. I've already explained and I'm not going to explain again. Got it?

It's hard to believe you're a programmer. Then again...?!
Well that is your problem then. They even admitted that there could be flaws , which has been discussed here many times already. I thought the whole point was the strange 99.999999% assurance so I was disapointed to see today in their explanation, that they said it was impossible based on an exact proof which was never the point. I think they worded the question wrong to Ken thompson and vas as well. Maybe something like:
Can chess be solved ? No ofcourse not easy.
But you can claim that you are 99.999999% lost if you are 2 pieces down ?
They even gave that example to demonstrate the feasibility of the experiment.
You really are an impossible person. I claimed nothing at all other than the article is bogus and you can't solve any opening with current technology. Not even weakly solved. That's not my quote either.

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Re: More

Post by Terry McCracken » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:51 pm

JuLieN wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
JuLieN wrote:Image

Julien: Super Nanny, I have two kids totally out of control! They keep fighting and won't listen at all. Do you think you could handle them?
Super Nanny: You bet I can!!! Bring them to me!
I think Super Nanny is a bit naughty...Don't you?
That's the spirit!
:wink:
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