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how an engine survives?

Post by MM » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:02 pm

zappa, naum, chiron, onno, shredder....finished ....''ideas''?

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Re: how an engine survives?

Post by Dan Astrachan » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:09 pm

MM wrote:zappa, naum, chiron, onno, shredder....finished ....''ideas''?

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All the engines you mentioned are commercial programs. Many of the strongest chess engines these days are free: Critter, Stockfish, Ivanhoe and Ippolit derivates. Since all of them could beat any human being, why would you bother paying for something else?
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Re: how an engine survives?

Post by Graham Banks » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:16 pm

MM wrote:zappa, naum, chiron, onno, shredder....finished ....''ideas''?

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Zappa - finished. Code given to Zach Wegner who is developing it further under the name Rondo.

Naum - supposedly finished too, but never say never.

Chiron - still being developed. My understanding is that Ubaldo will release an update when he feels he's been able to make a worthwhile improvement.

Onno - finished. Website removed. Engine no longer available.

Shredder - new version will be released, I'm picking when Stefan feels he's made a worthwhile improvement.
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Re: how an engine survives?

Post by MM » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:21 pm

Graham Banks wrote:
MM wrote:zappa, naum, chiron, onno, shredder....finished ....''ideas''?

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Zappa - finished. Code given to Zach Wegner who is developing it further under the name Rondo.

Naum - supposedly finished too, but never say never.

Chiron - still being developed. My understanding is that Ubaldo will release an update when he feels he's been able to make a worthwhile improvement.

Onno - finished. Website removed. Engine no longer available.

Shredder - new version will be released, I'm picking when Stefan feels he's made a worthwhile improvement.
Thank you Graham. But is it more difficult nowadays to find something new in chess programming?

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Re: how an engine survives?

Post by MM » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:41 pm

Dan Astrachan wrote:
MM wrote:zappa, naum, chiron, onno, shredder....finished ....''ideas''?

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All the engines you mentioned are commercial programs. Many of the strongest chess engines these days are free: Critter, Stockfish, Ivanhoe and Ippolit derivates. Since all of them could beat any human being, why would you bother paying for something else?
I understand what you mean and honestly i think it is one of the reason why several programmers left or reduced heavily their work on chess.

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Re: how an engine survives?

Post by Vinvin » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:24 pm

MM wrote:zappa, naum, chiron, onno, shredder....finished ....''ideas''?

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I sometimes dream about a recompile (and UCI and 64 bit) version of Yace !!!!!

Please, Dieter, if you read this , do it for me !!! :D

Yace still incredible in endgames !!
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Re: how an engine survives?

Post by mhalstern » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:50 am

Is Rondo ever going commercial? I believe I have asked this question in the past.

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Re: how an engine survives?

Post by Graham Banks » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:09 am

mhalstern wrote:Is Rondo ever going commercial? I believe I have asked this question in the past.
Wouldn't it just be Zappa with some modifications, just under a different name?
Wouldn't that make it like some other engines that get given a hard time around here?
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Re: how an engine survives?

Post by Harvey Williamson » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:11 am

Graham Banks wrote:
mhalstern wrote:Is Rondo ever going commercial? I believe I have asked this question in the past.
Wouldn't it just be Zappa with some modifications, just under a different name?
Wouldn't that make it like some other engines that get given a hard time around here?
err no, as Anthony gave his code to Zach. Did Fabien gift his to anyone?

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Re: how an engine survives?

Post by Graham Banks » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:12 am

Harvey Williamson wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
mhalstern wrote:Is Rondo ever going commercial? I believe I have asked this question in the past.
Wouldn't it just be Zappa with some modifications, just under a different name?
Wouldn't that make it like some other engines that get given a hard time around here?
err no, as Anthony gave his code to Zach. Did Fabien gift his to anyone?
I wasn't referring to Rybka.

Besides, not all programmers seem to agree on that one anyway.

Faien gifted his source code to the community to study and learn from.
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