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Re: Software no more...

Post by fern » Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:13 pm

Yes, I know, and similar reasons has been given to me by almost every programmer in town. But confess, it would be a great thing, a novelty worth the money. Kind of a smart friend inside the comp and not just an idiot-savant crushing us in chess.

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Re: Software no more...

Post by JuLieN » Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:16 pm

fern wrote:Yes, I know, and similar reasons has been given to me by almost every programmer in town. But confess, it would be a great thing, a novelty worth the money. Kind of a smart friend inside the comp and not just an idiot-savant crushing us in chess.

fern
I agree. :) One day we'll have that. But it won't be done by a programmer (or a crew of programmers) developping a specific AI for chess. it will come from a big corporation developing a general AI suitable for everything. You'll be able to tell it "tell me a nice story" that it will invent for you, or "coach my chess!"

What I mean is that the amount of work is so enormous that focusing it on chess would be an aberration. Just like investing 2 billions euros into a 1 million euros market.
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Re: Software no more...

Post by fern » Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:20 pm

well, it depends of the scale pretended. I am not thinking in HAL. Certainly something more complex than Fritz and his scripted comments according score, etc, but neither a brain capable of teaching us Sanskrit.
What I mean is that for a talented chess programmer the task should aim now to that instead of just another 12 elo points for engines already not winnable.

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Give it a thought.

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Post by melajara » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:11 pm

JuLieN wrote:Fernando is not after eye-candy. What he wants is an interface that would say:

"I played this move because white is able to launch a deadly attack on black kings. Moving my knight there brings the last piece of the puzzle in order to give the coup de grace."

Or:

"This position is remarkably calm, hence my move, only optimizing my piece's location."

Or:

"Your move is not canonical. In this variation of the Scheveningen, after the Keres attack, the only two moves that give you a chance are 8. ... d5 and 8. ... h5. You must play sharp."

Or:

"During those six last months your style has evolved into a more aggressive one. May I thus suggest you to go for the accelerated dragon?"

And so on... And I kind of wish such an interface was available as well.
I'm working on it, just be patient ;-)
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Re: Software no more...

Post by Guerrero » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:13 pm

Fernando Motores hispanos has a winboard variant which says things when you are playing.

It is in spanish but english will be available later.

https://sites.google.com/site/motoresdeajedrez/

Dice cosas en español de acuerdo al score, anuncia movimientos y modifica tu rating ademas de tener una apariencia mas agradable.

Quizas podrias hechar una mirada y enviarme tu dinero. :D

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Re: Software no more...

Post by fern » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:59 pm

Really? That would be great news. Nobody has dared to do something of that kind.

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Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:36 pm

JuLieN wrote:
fern wrote:Yes, I know, and similar reasons has been given to me by almost every programmer in town. But confess, it would be a great thing, a novelty worth the money. Kind of a smart friend inside the comp and not just an idiot-savant crushing us in chess.

fern
I agree. :) One day we'll have that. But it won't be done by a programmer (or a crew of programmers) developping a specific AI for chess. it will come from a big corporation developing a general AI suitable for everything. You'll be able to tell it "tell me a nice story" that it will invent for you, or "coach my chess!"

What I mean is that the amount of work is so enormous that focusing it on chess would be an aberration. Just like investing 2 billions euros into a 1 million euros market.
Not to mention the amount of money needed to let Lopez undress naked when Fern beats the computer once in a while :wink:

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Re: Software no more...

Post by Martin Hudon » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:51 pm

fern wrote:I finally got tired of being defeated by almost any current chess engine and so i will not, ever, play one again, even less to purchase extra stuff. Instead I am playing my old dedicated units, which I do with great pleasure. It is not only that I have a reasonable chance to win, but they are pretty, real things to put on the desk, something with solidity, smell, tact, etc.
I had believed I was going to get hiarcs 14 and its explorer new thing, but I think I will not. I expected something funnier, not a professional device surely of great utility for real chess players, which I am not. I expect faces, grimaces, comments, colors, bells and all the rest, not just database that i never in my life I have consulted.
Maybe I must wait Walt Disney producing an engine...

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Fern
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Re: Software no more...

Post by rreagan » Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:22 am

Houdini wrote:Apparently you need the Ethereal Chess GUI.
See http://www.chess2u.com/t6242-ethereal-chess-gui-new .
If it worked with 3D glasses, now that would be interesting.

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Re: Software no more...

Post by fern » Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:08 pm

Hi.
I have Cm, all the series and they are Ok, but not what I want. My idea id far more revolutionary. Julien Marcel got the idea.
Mu favorote dedicated unit in this moment is Karpov by Excalibur, of which i will make a post here.

Fern

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