Engines that could catch up Houdini 3 in 2013

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Which engine will catch up Houdini 3 Pro in 2013?

Komodo MP
19
34%
Deep Rybka 5
11
20%
Critter
7
13%
Strelka
6
11%
Stockfish
4
7%
Other engine - please specify it
9
16%
 
Total votes: 56

Lavir
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Re: Engines that could catch up Houdini 3 in 2013

Post by Lavir » Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:11 pm

kranium wrote: but Fabbio,
the last release of IvanHoe (999946 Beta) was Oct. 31, 2011,
and Houdini 2.0 was released Feb. 24, 2012!
And after a lot of other IvanHoe clones appeared that promised a lot at beginning but nothing really happened.
kranium wrote: well, many find this stuff quite convincing:
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... t&start=44
http://www.open-chess.org/viewtopic.php ... 7&start=10

everyone should draw their own conclusion...and is entitled to their own opinion, no matter what
i can accept/respect that
I don't dispute those proofs, but calling Houdart a "copier" and then RE his program (Strelka 5.5) it's a bit hypocrite, don't you think?

And about the copying, I have my personal view on this. When I was much younger I used to mod games and many times I did some mod I simply did take a skeleton to start to not type everything from beginning and then inserted my ideas.

Was I a copier? Not at all. I just thought it was a waste to spend a week to type code everyone with a little of expertise was perfectly able to do if it was already there. It was just a point of start to not have to waste time doing something that was already done. A point of start that then became all another thing with my work but that allowed me to don't waste a lot of days on a thing completely trivial.

The important thing is the idea. Implementation of an idea every programmer who can be called such can come up with. Ideas are the difficult part. When people don't want the code to be seen is just because there are ideas in it that they don't want to share. When you open your source for the public those ideas will be public, so what there is in the code of importance anymore? Nothing. Removing idea you just remove the art part and what remains is only mannerism.

Now, who would exchange mannerism for art and blaming a painter for "copying" a tromp l'oeil? Even the word "copying" cannot be tied to something like that. There's no copying just because there's nothing to copy, it is just material execution.

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Re: Engines that could catch up Houdini 3 in 2013

Post by carldaman » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:02 pm

Houdini 2.0 was released Feb. 24, 2012 ? That doesn't sound right. Wasn't it released late in 2011?

Regards,
CL

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Re: Engines that could catch up Houdini 3 in 2013

Post by Lavir » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:13 pm

Right. Didn't take much of a look at the date given.

Now that you did mention it, there's something wrong with that date.

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Re: Engines that could catch up Houdini 3 in 2013

Post by Graham Banks » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:17 pm

Lavir wrote:Right. Didn't take much of a look at the date given.

Now that you did mention it, there's something wrong with that date.
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... ht=houdini

Friday September 2nd, 2011 - Houdini 2 made available for sale.
gbanksnz at gmail.com

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Re: Engines that could catch up Houdini 3 in 2013

Post by Houdini » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:44 pm

Graham Banks wrote:
Lavir wrote:Right. Didn't take much of a look at the date given.

Now that you did mention it, there's something wrong with that date.
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... ht=houdini

Friday September 2nd, 2011 - Houdini 2 made available for sale.
Yeah, Norman's bullshit-o-meter has been running very high lately...

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Re: Engines that could catch up Houdini 3 in 2013

Post by kranium » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:22 am

Graham Banks wrote:
Lavir wrote:Right. Didn't take much of a look at the date given.

Now that you did mention it, there's something wrong with that date.
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... ht=houdini

Friday September 2nd, 2011 - Houdini 2 made available for sale.
my bad,
thx Graham/Carl

my point is there was little or no time for Ivanhoe to 'catch up' to Houdini 2.0...
in response to Fabios original post:
Lavir wrote: You couldn't neither catch Houdini 2 no matter what, so of what are you talking about is beyond me.

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Re: Engines that could catch up Houdini 3 in 2013

Post by kranium » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:40 am

Tomcass wrote:
kranium wrote:
FriedmannC wrote:Which engine will catch up Houdini 3 in 2013?
IvanHoe
(or whatever the new name is)

a bunch of brilliant young engine programmers with a real cause...
(= motivation)

the most significant open-source code release since Fruit in 2005,
and the basis of many/most of todays strongest engine(s)
I agree with you, Norman. My four potential candidates -none of them in TalkChess list!- are:

- Panchess (Peterpan)
- Bouquet (Velmarin)
- QuoVadis (QuocVuong) and
- Amitis (Mahya).

None of them is even close from Houdini 3.0 Pro at this moment, but these four programmers are brilliant. The progression of their engines, working on the Ivanhoe and Stockfish basis is impressive. My guess that one of them will reach the second place in the world ranking, perhaps at Houdini 3.0 Pro level.

I wish a WONDERFUL 2013 to all the TalkChess community.

Tom.
Hi Tom,

of course, as you know, i was referring to the Ivanhoe programmers!:

Yakov Petrovich Golyadkin
Igor Igorovich Igoronov
Roberto Pescatore
Yusuf Ralf Weisskopf
Ivan Skavinsky Skavar

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Re: Engines that could catch up Houdini 3 in 2013

Post by kranium » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:50 am

Houdini wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
Lavir wrote:Right. Didn't take much of a look at the date given.

Now that you did mention it, there's something wrong with that date.
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... ht=houdini

Friday September 2nd, 2011 - Houdini 2 made available for sale.
Yeah, Norman's bullshit-o-meter has been running very high lately...
from all the info i posted above,
the only fact disputed is the H2 release date...?

bullseye!

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Re: Engines that could catch up Houdini 3 in 2013

Post by JAMerolle » Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:25 am

Yes Houdini 4

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Re: Engines that could catch up Houdini 3 in 2013

Post by S.Taylor » Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:06 pm

Houdini wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
Lavir wrote:Right. Didn't take much of a look at the date given.

Now that you did mention it, there's something wrong with that date.
http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... ht=houdini

Friday September 2nd, 2011 - Houdini 2 made available for sale.
Yeah, Norman's bullshit-o-meter has been running very high lately...
shmit

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