Indeed Terry because it will drop back to Windows 7Terry McCracken wrote:You should have waited for Windows 8.1
Seriously,I feel bad for the people behind the Metro thingy in Windows 8....
It simply failed big time regards,
Dr.D
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Indeed Terry because it will drop back to Windows 7Terry McCracken wrote:You should have waited for Windows 8.1
if you buy one with Windows 8 Pro you are usually allowed to downgrade to Windows 7 Pro, the .iso is downloadable directly from Microsoft and you should also get a useable product key from Microsoft. -> I sold lot's of computers and Notebooks this year but so far none with Windows 8. In my opinion Metro doesn't make any sense when you have mouse and keyboard and no touchscreen. It might be nice on tablets and phones, but so far I simply did see no sense in buying a tablet for myself. I do not see anything they would offer to me which I can't do with my notebook, my tv or my desktop pc. Same reason why I still do not own a smartphone.Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Thanks God for this thread as I was willing to buy a new i7 laptop for my 6 years old son with Windows 8....
An i7 laptop he will get but with windows 7 regards,
Dr.D
An emulator would also emulate the hardware (eg. the processor, sound card, etc.) instead of executing the code natively. If wine was an emulator, you could run it on other processor architectures than x86 and it would still be able to run x86 Windows programs. The downside is that it would be really slow. In Wine's case it's better to just implement the Windows API.hgm wrote:Isn't this exactly what an emulator is supposed to do?lucasart wrote:The machine code runs natively, and whenever it does a Windows system call, Wine rerouts this to the equivalent Linux one. OK, this is surely a bit simplistic, but that's the idea. The key thing to remember is not an emulator.
Yes, that is exactly the point. But it's really nomenclature and terminology that is more or less standard or agreed upon but it's not very accurate.ilari wrote:An emulator would also emulate the hardware (eg. the processor, sound card, etc.) instead of executing the code natively. If wine was an emulator, you could run it on other processor architectures than x86 and it would still be able to run x86 Windows programs. The downside is that it would be really slow. In Wine's case it's better to just implement the Windows API.hgm wrote:Isn't this exactly what an emulator is supposed to do?lucasart wrote:The machine code runs natively, and whenever it does a Windows system call, Wine rerouts this to the equivalent Linux one. OK, this is surely a bit simplistic, but that's the idea. The key thing to remember is not an emulator.
Thanks ThomasThomas Mayer wrote:if you buy one with Windows 8 Pro you are usually allowed to downgrade to Windows 7 Pro, the .iso is downloadable directly from Microsoft and you should also get a useable product key from Microsoft. -> I sold lot's of computers and Notebooks this year but so far none with Windows 8. In my opinion Metro doesn't make any sense when you have mouse and keyboard and no touchscreen. It might be nice on tablets and phones, but so far I simply did see no sense in buying a tablet for myself. I do not see anything they would offer to me which I can't do with my notebook, my tv or my desktop pc. Same reason why I still do not own a smartphone.Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Thanks God for this thread as I was willing to buy a new i7 laptop for my 6 years old son with Windows 8....
An i7 laptop he will get but with windows 7 regards,
Dr.D
Greets, Thomas
I thought that was called an 'interpreter'.ilari wrote:An emulator would also emulate the hardware (eg. the processor, sound card, etc.) instead of executing the code natively. If wine was an emulator, you could run it on other processor architectures than x86 and it would still be able to run x86 Windows programs.
Yes, I completely agree with you on this.hgm wrote:I thought that was called an 'interpreter'.ilari wrote:An emulator would also emulate the hardware (eg. the processor, sound card, etc.) instead of executing the code natively. If wine was an emulator, you could run it on other processor architectures than x86 and it would still be able to run x86 Windows programs.
In any case it seems to me that wine intends to emulate Windows OS. Not a complete PC. Nothing would ever 'emulate' the hardware at the level of voltage swings on transistors, or Brownian motion of individual electrons. There always is a limited scope. By that logic no emulator would ever be an emulator, because it never emulates the full Universe.
[Edit] Oh, I see that Don already replied the same.
well, I may buy soon one because I have some crazy App-ideas which may never return all the effort I might spent in them (at least not when we talk about money) but may be a lot of fun to work on... - But well, then I know why I've bought one...Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Thanks ThomasThomas Mayer wrote:if you buy one with Windows 8 Pro you are usually allowed to downgrade to Windows 7 Pro, the .iso is downloadable directly from Microsoft and you should also get a useable product key from Microsoft. -> I sold lot's of computers and Notebooks this year but so far none with Windows 8. In my opinion Metro doesn't make any sense when you have mouse and keyboard and no touchscreen. It might be nice on tablets and phones, but so far I simply did see no sense in buying a tablet for myself. I do not see anything they would offer to me which I can't do with my notebook, my tv or my desktop pc. Same reason why I still do not own a smartphone.Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Thanks God for this thread as I was willing to buy a new i7 laptop for my 6 years old son with Windows 8....
An i7 laptop he will get but with windows 7 regards,
Dr.D
Greets, Thomas
So I am not the only guy on the planet that don't like and won't buy a smartphone......
I have a tablet and I do like it, but really I would have preferred more improvements and downsizing of laptops. The "net-books" were quite usable and actually fully functional computers. tablets and smartphones are crippled up version of note-book computers.Thomas Mayer wrote:well, I may buy soon one because I have some crazy App-ideas which may never return all the effort I might spent in them (at least not when we talk about money) but may be a lot of fun to work on... - But well, then I know why I've bought one...Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Thanks ThomasThomas Mayer wrote:if you buy one with Windows 8 Pro you are usually allowed to downgrade to Windows 7 Pro, the .iso is downloadable directly from Microsoft and you should also get a useable product key from Microsoft. -> I sold lot's of computers and Notebooks this year but so far none with Windows 8. In my opinion Metro doesn't make any sense when you have mouse and keyboard and no touchscreen. It might be nice on tablets and phones, but so far I simply did see no sense in buying a tablet for myself. I do not see anything they would offer to me which I can't do with my notebook, my tv or my desktop pc. Same reason why I still do not own a smartphone.Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Thanks God for this thread as I was willing to buy a new i7 laptop for my 6 years old son with Windows 8....
An i7 laptop he will get but with windows 7 regards,
Dr.D
Greets, Thomas
So I am not the only guy on the planet that don't like and won't buy a smartphone......
In fact I am very sure that smartphones will survive the hype, there are definitely things which they might be useful for. But tablets ? What the hell should I do with a tablet ?
Greets, Thomas