Hi,
[d]5rk1/1bN2rbp/pP1p2q1/8/4pp2/1Q6/PPN2PPP/3R1R1K w - - 0 1
what do you and your engines think about this position?
white has an extra pawn, but the figures and pawns of black are standing excellent for a mighty attack on the white king. So black is better here....what should white play?
Test your engines, what engine see that black is clear better here with a score more than -0.50, or better -1.00
give your engines a lot of time, cores and hash
time minium 3 min, max 60 min
a strong player, like a grandmaster could see that white is in trouble here....
good luck!
Regards
Andi
a position beyond the scope of most top engines....
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Re: a position beyond the scope of most top engines....
Komodo 5.1 D26 -0.12
[pgn]
[Analysis "Komodo51-64bit"]
[AnalysisTime "2405"]
[FEN "5rk1/1bN2rbp/pP1p2q1/8/4pp2/1Q6/PPN2PPP/3R1R1K w - - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
1. f3 Kh8 2. Ne6 Rg8 3. Ne1 exf3 4. Nxf3 Bxf3 5. Rxf3 Bd4 6. Rd2 Re7 7. Qc4
Bxb6 8. Qc3+ Rgg7 9. Re2 Ba5 10. Qxa5 Rxe6 11. Ref2 Qb1+ 12. Rf1 Qxb2 13. R3f2
Re2 14. Rxe2 Qxe2 15. Qd8+ Rg8 16. Qf6+ Rg7 17. Qf8+ Rg8 18. Qf6+ {(0:40:05)
7257628kN}{[%eval -12,25,Komodo51-64bit][%meval 2405s]} *
[/pgn]
This is a hard position, black does seem to have a slight advantage.
[pgn]
[Analysis "Komodo51-64bit"]
[AnalysisTime "2405"]
[FEN "5rk1/1bN2rbp/pP1p2q1/8/4pp2/1Q6/PPN2PPP/3R1R1K w - - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
1. f3 Kh8 2. Ne6 Rg8 3. Ne1 exf3 4. Nxf3 Bxf3 5. Rxf3 Bd4 6. Rd2 Re7 7. Qc4
Bxb6 8. Qc3+ Rgg7 9. Re2 Ba5 10. Qxa5 Rxe6 11. Ref2 Qb1+ 12. Rf1 Qxb2 13. R3f2
Re2 14. Rxe2 Qxe2 15. Qd8+ Rg8 16. Qf6+ Rg7 17. Qf8+ Rg8 18. Qf6+ {(0:40:05)
7257628kN}{[%eval -12,25,Komodo51-64bit][%meval 2405s]} *
[/pgn]
This is a hard position, black does seem to have a slight advantage.
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Re: a position beyond the scope of most top engines....
White has less space and centre control
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Re: a position beyond the scope of most top engines....
Bouquet see a draw by repetition.
[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Bouquet.DEV"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "5rk1/1bN2rbp/pP1p2q1/8/4pp2/1Q6/PPN2PPP/3R1R1K w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "6"]
1. Rg1 Be5 2. Ne6 Re8 3. Nc7 Ref8 *
[/pgn]
[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Bouquet.DEV"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "5rk1/1bN2rbp/pP1p2q1/8/4pp2/1Q6/PPN2PPP/3R1R1K w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "6"]
1. Rg1 Be5 2. Ne6 Re8 3. Nc7 Ref8 *
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Re: a position beyond the scope of most top engines....
Very complicated position. I'm analyzing now and control detected horizon.
[pgn]
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "EREN-MSI"]
[Date "2013.06.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Control 9.2 x64"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "2400"]
[Time "15:39:28"]
[WhiteElo "2400"]
[TimeControl "0+60"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "5rk1/1bN2rbp/pP1p2q1/8/4pp2/1Q6/PPN2PPP/3R1R1K w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "3"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "human"]
1. Rg1 Be5 2. Rc1 *
[/pgn]
After Rc1 here is the analyze.
And It seems Ted's anaylze(Komodo 5.1) Komodo seen horizon too early. That's really impressive.
Regards,
Eren Yavuz
[pgn]
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "EREN-MSI"]
[Date "2013.06.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Control 9.2 x64"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "2400"]
[Time "15:39:28"]
[WhiteElo "2400"]
[TimeControl "0+60"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "5rk1/1bN2rbp/pP1p2q1/8/4pp2/1Q6/PPN2PPP/3R1R1K w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "3"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "human"]
1. Rg1 Be5 2. Rc1 *
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After Rc1 here is the analyze.
Code: Select all
FEN: 5rk1/1bN2r1p/pP1p2q1/4b3/4pp2/1Q6/PPN2PPP/2R3RK b - - 3 2
Control 9.2 x64:
4/14 00:00 1,926 1,926,000 +0.10 Kh8 Ne6 Rg8 Ncd4 e3 f3 d5 a3 Rf6 Rc7 Qh5 Rxb7 Qxh2+
5/16 00:00 3,949 1,974,000 +0.05 Kh8 Ne6 Re8 Nc7 Rg8 Nb4 Bd4 Ne6 Bxb6
5/18 00:00 7,522 1,880,000 +0.11 Rc8 f3 e3 Rge1 Qf6 Nb4 Bxb2
6/18 00:00 9,180 2,295,000 +0.11 Rc8 f3 e3 Rge1 Qf6 Nb4 Bxb2
7/18 00:00 11,886 1,981,000 +0.02 Rc8 f3 e3 Rge1 Qf6 Nd5 Qh4 Ncb4 Kg7
7/18 00:00 12,582 2,097,000 +0.05 Kh8 Ne6 Re8 Nc7 Rg8 Nb4 Bd4 Ne6 Bxb6
8/18 00:00 13,287 2,214,000 +0.05 Kh8 Ne6 Re8 Nc7 Rg8 Nb4 Bd4 Ne6 Bxb6
8/21 00:00 60,352 2,514,000 +0.11 e3 f3 Qf6 Nd5 Qg5 Ncb4 Qh4 Nc6
9/23 00:00 95,406 2,510,000 -0.16 e3 f3 Qf6 Nb4 Bxb2 Rc2 Bd4 Ne6 Re8 Nxd4 Qxd4
9/23 00:00 95,573 2,515,000 +0.05 Kh8 Ne6 Re8 Nc7 Rg8 Nb4 Bd4 Ne6 Bxb6
10/23 00:00 133,402 2,470,000 +0.05 Kh8 Ne6 Re8 Nc7 Rg8 Nb4 Bd4 Ne6 Bxb6
11/26 00:00 454,286 3,069,000 +0.05 Kh8 Ne6 Re8 Nc7 Rg8 Nb4 Bd4 Ne6 Bxb6
12/31 00:00 572,363 2,765,000 +0.05 Kh8 Ne6 Re8 Nc7 Rg8 Nb4 Bd4 Ne6 Bxb6
13/39 00:01 4,792,605 4,037,000 +0.58 Kh8 Ne6 Rg8 Ncd4 e3 f3 d5 Rc5 Rf6 Rc7 Qh5 h3 Bxc7 bxc7 Bc8 Qc3 Qe5 Nd8 a5 Re1 Qg5
14/40 00:01 7,183,700 4,157,000 +0.31 Kh8 Ne6 Rg8 Ncd4 e3 f3 d5 Qb4 Qh6 Rc7 Bxc7 bxc7 Bc8 Qc3 Qf6 Ra1 Bxe6 Nxe6 Qxc3 bxc3 Re7 Nxf4 Rxc7 Nxd5 Rc4 Nxe3 Rxc3
15/50 00:02 10,224,213 4,267,000 +0.43 Kh8 Ne6 Rg8 Ncd4 e3 f3 d5 Qb4 a5 Qc5 Qh6 Rge1 Rf6 Qe7 Bxd4 Nxd4 Rxg2 Qe8+ Rg8 Qe5 Qg7 Rg1
16/54 00:07 37,388,517 4,683,000 +0.94 Kh8 Rcf1 e3 f3 Rg8 Nd5 Rfg7 Ne1 Qe6 Nc3 Qxb3 axb3 Bd4 Nd3 Bxb6 Nxf4 d5 Rc1 d4 Nce2 Rf7 Rcd1 Rf6 b4 Rc8
17/54 00:15 73,737,944 4,762,000 +1.04 Kh8 Ne6 Rg8 Ncd4 e3 f3 d5 Rc7 e2 Rcc1 Rf6 h3 Rxe6 Nxe6 Qxe6 Rge1 Bd4 Rc2 Qxb6 Qxb6 Bxb6 Rexe2 Be3 Rc7 Rg7 Rxg7 Kxg7 Rc2 Bb6 Kh2 d4 Re2 Kf6 Rd2 Bd5 b4 h5 h4 Kf5
18/54 00:17 84,669,243 4,778,000 +1.04 Kh8 Ne6 Rg8 Ncd4 e3 f3 d5 Rc7 e2 Rcc1 Rf6 h3 Rxe6 Nxe6 Qxe6 Rge1 Bd4 Rc2 Qxb6 Qxb6 Bxb6 Rexe2 Be3 Rc7 Rg7 Rxg7 Kxg7 Rc2 Bb6 Kh2 d4 Re2 Kf6 Rd2 Bd5 b4 h5 h4 Kf5
18/54 00:28 139,077,841 4,810,000 +1.04 Kh8 Ne6 Rg8 Ncd4 e3 f3 d5 Rc7 e2 Rcc1 Rf6 h3 Rxe6 Nxe6 Qxe6 Rge1 Bd4 Rc2 Qxb6 Qxb6 Bxb6 Rexe2 Be3 Rc7 Rg7 Rxg7 Kxg7 Rc2 Bb6 Kh2 d4 Re2 Kf6 Rd2 Bd5 b4 h5 h4 Kf5
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Re: a position beyond the scope of most top engines....
After 1 hour on my machine (reaching depth 29), Critter 1.6 with 4 Gb of hash gives an eval of 0.00.
[pgn][FEN "5rk1/1bN2rbp/pP1p2q1/8/4pp2/1Q6/PPN2PPP/3R1R1K w - - 0 1"]
1.f3 Kh8 2.Ne6 Rg8 3.Ne1 exf3 4.Nxf3 Bxf3 5.Rxf3 Bd4 6.Rd2 Re7 7.Qc4 Bxb6 8.
Qc3+ Rgg7 9.Re2 Ba5 10.Qxa5 Rxe6 11.Ref2 Qb1+ 12.Rf1 Qxb2 13.R3f2 Re2 14.Rxe2
Qxe2 15.Qd8+ Rg8 16.Qf6+ Rg7 17.Qf8+ Rg8 18.Qf6+ *[/pgn]
So if there's a killer plan, Critter doesn't see it.
[pgn][FEN "5rk1/1bN2rbp/pP1p2q1/8/4pp2/1Q6/PPN2PPP/3R1R1K w - - 0 1"]
1.f3 Kh8 2.Ne6 Rg8 3.Ne1 exf3 4.Nxf3 Bxf3 5.Rxf3 Bd4 6.Rd2 Re7 7.Qc4 Bxb6 8.
Qc3+ Rgg7 9.Re2 Ba5 10.Qxa5 Rxe6 11.Ref2 Qb1+ 12.Rf1 Qxb2 13.R3f2 Re2 14.Rxe2
Qxe2 15.Qd8+ Rg8 16.Qf6+ Rg7 17.Qf8+ Rg8 18.Qf6+ *[/pgn]
So if there's a killer plan, Critter doesn't see it.
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Re: a position beyond the scope of most top engines....
So Both Critter and Komodo agree.Dan Astrachan wrote:After 1 hour on my machine (reaching depth 29), Critter 1.6 with 4 Gb of hash gives an eval of 0.00.
[pgn][FEN "5rk1/1bN2rbp/pP1p2q1/8/4pp2/1Q6/PPN2PPP/3R1R1K w - - 0 1"]
1.f3 Kh8 2.Ne6 Rg8 3.Ne1 exf3 4.Nxf3 Bxf3 5.Rxf3 Bd4 6.Rd2 Re7 7.Qc4 Bxb6 8.
Qc3+ Rgg7 9.Re2 Ba5 10.Qxa5 Rxe6 11.Ref2 Qb1+ 12.Rf1 Qxb2 13.R3f2 Re2 14.Rxe2
Qxe2 15.Qd8+ Rg8 16.Qf6+ Rg7 17.Qf8+ Rg8 18.Qf6+ *[/pgn]
So if there's a killer plan, Critter doesn't see it.
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Re: a position beyond the scope of most top engines....
Deep Hiarcs 14 WCSC D25 -0.61
[pgn]
[Analysis "DeepHiarcs14WCSC"]
[AnalysisTime "4928"]
[FEN "5rk1/1bN2rbp/pP1p2q1/8/4pp2/1Q6/PPN2PPP/3R1R1K w - - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
1. f3 e3 2. Rfe1 Kh8 3. Re2 Be5 4. Ne1 Rf5 5. Kg1 a5 6. Rc2 Qh5 7. Nb5 Qh4 8.
Qa3 {(1:22:08) 6874959kN}{[%eval -61,25,DeepHiarcs14WCSC][%meval 4928s]} *
[/pgn]
This might be promising ...
[pgn]
[Analysis "DeepHiarcs14WCSC"]
[AnalysisTime "4928"]
[FEN "5rk1/1bN2rbp/pP1p2q1/8/4pp2/1Q6/PPN2PPP/3R1R1K w - - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
1. f3 e3 2. Rfe1 Kh8 3. Re2 Be5 4. Ne1 Rf5 5. Kg1 a5 6. Rc2 Qh5 7. Nb5 Qh4 8.
Qa3 {(1:22:08) 6874959kN}{[%eval -61,25,DeepHiarcs14WCSC][%meval 4928s]} *
[/pgn]
This might be promising ...
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Re: a position beyond the scope of most top engines....
The latest build of Stockfish (8 threads, 4 GB hash) gives the following after a long search:Alibaba wrote:Hi,
[d]5rk1/1bN2rbp/pP1p2q1/8/4pp2/1Q6/PPN2PPP/3R1R1K w - - 0 1
what do you and your engines think about this position?
Andi
Code: Select all
Searching: 5rk1/1bN2rbp/pP1p2q1/8/4pp2/1Q6/PPN2PPP/3R1R1K w - - 0 1
infinite: 1 ponder: 0 time: 0 increment: 0 moves to go: 0
1 +1.49 00:00 177 Ne6
2 +1.47 00:00 992 Ne6 e3 Nxf4
3 +1.39 00:00 1459 Ne6 f3 gxf3
4 +2.28 00:00 2582 Ne6 f3 g3 Rc8 Rxd6
5 +2.28 00:00 3005 Ne6 f3 g3 Rc8 Rxd6
6 +2.36 00:00 4041 Ne6 f3 g3 Rc8 Rxd6 a5 Rd8+ Rxd8 Nxd8
7 +1.23 00:00 17377 Ne6 Rc8 Nxf4 Qf6 Nd5 Bxd5 Rxd5 Qxb2 Qxb2 Bxb2
8 +1.23 00:00 25200 Ne6 Rc8 Nxf4 Qf6 Nd5 Bxd5 Rxd5 Qxb2 Qxb2 Bxb2
9 +1.19 00:00 178579 Nb4 Be5 Nbd5 Kh8 Qc2 Rg7 g3 fxg3 fxg3 Rxf1+ Rxf1 Bd4
10 +1.27 00:00 209303 Nb4 Be5 Nbd5 Kh8 Qc2 Rg7 Rg1 Rc8 Qc1 f3 g3
11 +1.37 00:00 337622 Nb4 Be5 Nbd5 Kh8 Qc2 Rg7 Rg1 Rc8 Qd2 Qg4 Rde1 f3 g3
Rgg8 Qh6
12 +1.03 00:00 691343 Nb4 Be5 Nbd5 Kh8 Qc2 Rg7 Rg1 Rc8 f3 Bxd5 Rxd5 Rb8
Qxe4 Qxe4 fxe4 Rxb6
13 +1.03 00:00 750767 Nb4 Be5 Nbd5 Kh8 Qc2 Rg7 Rg1 Rc8 f3 Bxd5 Rxd5 Rb8
Qxe4 Qxe4 fxe4 Rxb6
14 +1.03 00:00 2649K Nb4 Be5 Nbd5 Kh8 Qc2 Rg7 Rg1 Rc8 f3 Bxd5 Rxd5 Rb8
Qxe4 Qxe4 fxe4 Rxb6
15 +0.99 00:00 4695K Rg1 e3 f3 Rb8 Nd4 Kh8 a4 Kg8 Rge1 Be5 a5 Rc8 Nd5 Qg5
Ne6 Qh4
16 +1.03 00:01 7386K Nb4 Be5 Nbd5 Kh8 Qc2 Rg7 Rg1 Rc8 f3 e3 Qxg6 hxg6
Rge1 Rh7 b3 Rb8 Kg1 Kg8
17 +0.83 00:02 11196K Nb4 Be5 Nbd5 Qh6 Rfe1 e3 f3 Kh8 Re2 Rg7 Qc4 Rc8 Rc2
a5 Kg1 Rcg8 Qa4 Bc8 Qxa5
18 +1.13 00:03 20449K Rg1 e3 f3 Rb8 Nb4 Kh8 Rge1 Rc8 Nd3 Bh6 Re2 Kg8 Rc1
Qf5 Kg1 Bg7 Rc4 Be5
19 +0.87 00:04 27737K Nb4 Be5 Nbd5 Qh6 Rfe1 e3 f3 Kh8 Re2 Rg7 Qc4 Rfg8 Qb4
Rg3 Rc1 R3g7 Rec2 Rc8 Qc4 Rcg8 Kg1
20 +0.65 00:09 62237K Rg1 e3 f3 d5 Nd4 Qh6 Nxd5 Kh8 Rge1 Rd7 Ne2 Rxd5 Rxd5
Bxd5 Qxd5 Qxb6 b3 Qb4 Rd1 Qa3 Qc4 Qxa2 Nxf4 Qf2 Nd3
21 +0.99 00:10 67569K Rg1 e3 f3 d5 Nd4 Qh6 Nxd5 Kh8 Rge1 Rd7 Ne2 Rxd5 Rxd5
Bxd5 Qxd5 Qxb6 b3 Qb4 Rd1 Qa3 Qc4 Qxa2 Nxf4 Qf2 Nd3
Qe2
22 +0.91 00:12 77753K Rg1 e3 f3 d5 Nd4 Qh6 Nxd5 Kh8 Rge1 Rd7 Ne2 Rxd5 Rxd5
Bxd5 Qxd5 Qxb6 b3 Qb4 Rd1 Qa3 Qc4 Be5 b4 Qb2 Kg1 Rg8
a4
23 +0.95 00:13 88100K Rg1 e3 f3 d5 Nd4 Qh6 Nxd5 Kh8 Rge1 Rd7 Ne2 Rxd5 Rxd5
Bxd5 Qxd5 Qxb6 b3 Qb4 Rd1 Qa3 Qc4 Be5 b4 Qb2 Kg1 Rg8
a4
24 +0.61 00:26 179204K f3 Kh8 Ne6 exf3 gxf3 Rg8 Rg1 Bxf3+ Qxf3 Qxe6 b3 Rb8
Na3 d5 Rxd5 Qxb6 Nc4 Qb4 Qe4 Rg8 Ra5 Bf8 Rxg8+ Kxg8
Rg5+ Bg7 Kg1 Qe7 Qa8+ Rf8 Qd5+ Qf7
25 +0.24 01:08 485179K f3 Kh8 Nb4 Rg8 Qc2 e3 Qxg6 hxg6 Rd3 g5 h3 Be5 Re1 a5
Nbd5 Bxb2 Kg1 Kg7 Rb1 Be5 Kf1 Rc8 Ra3 Kg6 Rxa5 Rh7
Ke2 Bd4 Ra7
26 +0.00 01:46 765990K Nd4 Kh8 Nce6 Rg8 Nxg7 Rgxg7 Rg1 e3 f3 Rf6 h3 Qh5 Qc2
Rg3 Kh2 Rg7 Kh1
27 +0.00 01:53 817020K Nd4 Kh8 Nce6 Rg8 Nxg7 Rgxg7 Rg1 e3 f3 Rf6 h3 d5 Ne2
Rxb6 Nxf4
28 +0.00 02:29 1097M Rg1 Be5 Ne6 Re8 Nc7 Rf8
29 +0.00 02:41 1183M Rg1 Be5 Ne6 Re8 Nc7 Rf8
30 +0.00 03:08 1384M Rg1 Be5 Ne6 Re8 Nc7 Rf8
31 +0.00 03:42 1645M Rg1 Be5 Ne6 Re8 Nc7 Rf8
32 +0.00 05:57 2677M f3 Kh8 Ne6 Rg8 Ne1 exf3 Nxf3 Bxf3 Rxf3 Bd4 Rd2 Re7
Qc4 Bxb6 Qc3+ Rgg7 Re2 Ba5 Qxa5 Rxe6 Ref2 Qb1+ Rf1
Qxb2 R3f2 Re2 Rxe2 Qxe2 Qd8+ Rg8 Qf6+ Rg7 Qd8+
33 +0.00 07:16 3281M f3 Kh8 Ne6 Rg8 Ne1 exf3 Nxf3 Bxf3 Rxf3 Bd4 Rd2 Re7
Qc4 Bxb6 Qc3+ Rgg7 Re2 Ba5 Qxa5 Rxe6 Ref2 Qb1+ Rf1
Qxb2 R3f2 Re2 Rxe2 Qxe2 Qd8+ Rg8 Qf6+ Rg7 Qd8+
34 +0.00 09:08 4132M f3 Kh8 Ne6 Rg8 Ne1 exf3 Nxf3 Bxf3 Rxf3 Bd4 Rd2 Re7
Qc4 Bxb6 Qc3+ Rgg7 Re2 Ba5 Qxa5 Rxe6 Ref2 Qb1+ Rf1
Qxb2 R3f2 Re2 Rxe2 Qxe2 Qd8+ Rg8 Qf6+ Rg7 Qd8+
35 +0.00 11:20 5152M f3 Kh8 Ne6 Rg8 Ne1 exf3 Nxf3 Bxf3 Rxf3 Bd4 Rd2 Re7
Qc4 Bxb6 Qc3+ Rgg7 Re2 Ba5 Qxa5 Rxe6 Ref2 Qb1+ Rf1
Qxb2 R3f2 Re2 Rxe2 Qxe2 Qd8+ Rg8 Qf6+ Rg7 Qd8+
36 +0.00 17:11 7900M f3 Kh8 Ne6 Rg8 Ne1 exf3 Nxf3 Bxf3 Rxf3 Bd4 Rd2 Re7
Qc4 Bxb6 Qc3+ Rgg7 Re2 Ba5 Qxa5 Rxe6 Ref2 Qb1+ Rf1
Qxb2 R3f2 Re2 Rxe2 Qxe2 Qd8+ Rg8 Qf6+ Rg7 Qd8+
37 -0.34 1:28:03 41478M f3 e3 Rc1 d5 Rfd1 Kh8 Nxd5 Bxd5 Rxd5 Rb7 Qc4 Qxb6
Nd4 Bxd4 Rxd4 Qxb2 Rdd1 Qf6 Kg1 Rb2 Rc2 Rbb8 Qe2
Rfd8 Rxd8+ Rxd8 g3 Qf5 Rc1 Qe5 Kf1 Kg7 gxf4 Qxf4 Rc3
Rd2 Qxe3 Qxe3 Rxe3 Rxa2 Re7+ Kg6 h4 a5 Ke1 a4 Ra7 a3
Kd1 h5 Ra5 Ra1+ Kc2
38 -0.06 1:42:24 48154M f3 e3 Rc1 d5 Rfd1 Kh8 Nxd5 Bxd5 Rxd5 Rb7 Qc4 Qxb6
Nd4 Qxb2 Ne6 Rg8 Rd8 Rxd8 Nxd8 Re7 Ne6 Re8 Qc6 Rg8
Rg1 Qf6 Qc4 Bh6 a4 Re8 Nd4 a5 Rb1 Qg6 Re1 Rg8 Rg1
Qf6 Ne6
39 -0.51 5:27:09 158234M f3 e3 Rc1 d5 Rfd1 Kh8 Nxd5 Bxd5 Rxd5 Rb7 Qc4 Rxb6 b4
Rc6 Rc5 Rd6 a4 Rd2 Rg1 Qd3 Qxd3 Rxd3 b5 axb5 axb5
Rb3 g3 e2 Rc6 fxg3 hxg3 Rbxf3 Re6
Nodes: 158414873176
Nodes/second: 8060809
Best move: f3
Ponder move: e3
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Re: a position beyond the scope of most top engines....
Hi,
here the Analyse of the Oldie Fritz 10:
Shows from the beginning that black is better, very smart!
6201: Komodo 5 64-bit - Houdini 3 Pro x64, Pelikan_1-4 2013
5rk1/1bN2rbp/pP1p2q1/8/4pp2/1Q6/PPN2PPP/3R1R1K w - - 0 1
Analysis by Fritz 10:
24.Se6 Te8 25.Sxf4 Dh6 26.Sh3 d5 27.Sd4 Le5 28.f4
= (0.04) Tiefe: 9/25 00:00:00 373kN
24.Se6 e3
= (-0.24) Tiefe: 10/25 00:00:00 576kN
24.Se6 e3
-/+ (-1.04) Tiefe: 10/32 00:00:00 771kN
24.f3
-/+ (-1.03) Tiefe: 10/32 00:00:00 785kN
24.f3
-/+ (-0.87) Tiefe: 10/32 00:00:00 791kN
24.f3
=/+ (-0.56) Tiefe: 10/32 00:00:00 837kN
24.f3 Kh8 25.Se6 Tg8 26.Td2 exf3 27.gxf3
=/+ (-0.45) Tiefe: 10/32 00:00:00 1324kN
24.De6
=/+ (-0.44) Tiefe: 10/32 00:00:01 1891kN
24.De6
= (-0.29) Tiefe: 10/32 00:00:01 1926kN
24.De6
= (0.03) Tiefe: 10/32 00:00:01 2052kN
24.De6 Le5 25.Dxg6+ hxg6 26.b4 Th7 27.Sd4 f3
= (0.11) Tiefe: 10/32 00:00:01 2249kN
24.De6 Dh5
= (-0.17) Tiefe: 11/31 00:00:01 3065kN
24.De6 Dh5 25.Sd4 f3 26.g3 Kh8 27.b4 Tf6 28.De7 Tg6 29.Tfe1
-/+ (-0.98) Tiefe: 11/31 00:00:02 4756kN
24.f3
-/+ (-0.97) Tiefe: 11/31 00:00:02 4771kN
24.f3
-/+ (-0.82) Tiefe: 11/31 00:00:02 4778kN
24.f3
=/+ (-0.50) Tiefe: 11/31 00:00:02 4807kN
24.f3 Kh8 25.Se6 Tg8
=/+ (-0.45) Tiefe: 11/31 00:00:02 4961kN
24.f3 Kh8 25.Se6 Tg8 26.Sg5 Tf5
=/+ (-0.55) Tiefe: 12/34 00:00:03 7420kN
24.Sd4
=/+ (-0.55) Tiefe: 12/34 00:00:03 8916kN
24.Sd4
=/+ (-0.39) Tiefe: 12/34 00:00:03 9449kN
24.Sd4 Kh8 25.Sce6 e3 26.f3 Te8 27.Tg1
=/+ (-0.39) Tiefe: 13/31 00:00:04 13527kN
24.Tg1
=/+ (-0.39) Tiefe: 13/31 00:00:06 17335kN
24.Tg1
= (-0.11) Tiefe: 14/35 00:00:10 31390kN
24.Tg1 Le5 25.Sa3 e3 26.f3 Kh8 27.Sc4 Tf5 28.Sxe5 dxe5 29.De6 Dh5 30.Sd5 e2 31.Tde1 Td8
= (-0.16) Tiefe: 15/35 00:00:17 53866kN
24.Tg1 Le5
=/+ (-0.44) Tiefe: 16/36 00:00:27 84982kN
24.Tg1 Le5 25.Sa3
=/+ (-0.44) Tiefe: 16/50 00:00:29 91147kN
24.Tg1 Le5
-/+ (-0.72) Tiefe: 17/38 00:01:14 233mN
24.Tg1 Le5 25.Sa3
-/+ (-0.72) Tiefe: 17/38 00:01:17 241mN
24.f3
-/+ (-0.71) Tiefe: 17/38 00:01:31 287mN
24.f3 Kh8 25.Se6 Tg8 26.Se1 d5 27.Sxg7 e3 28.Tg1 Tgxg7 29.Sd3
-/+ (-0.83) Tiefe: 18/42 00:05:25 1041mN
24.Tg1
-/+ (-0.83) Tiefe: 18/42 00:05:44 1104mN
24.Tg1
=/+ (-0.67) Tiefe: 18/42 00:05:49 1120mN
24.Tg1 Le5
-/+ (-0.95) Tiefe: 19/41 00:08:25 1616mN
24.Tg1 Le5 25.Se6
-/+ (-0.95) Tiefe: 19/62 00:08:56 1718mN
24.f3
-/+ (-0.95) Tiefe: 19/62 00:11:12 2160mN
24.f3
-/+ (-0.79) Tiefe: 19/62 00:11:39 2249mN
24.f3 Kh8 25.Se6 Tg8 26.Se1 d5 27.Sxg7 e3 28.Td3 Tf6 29.Db4 Txg7 30.a4 Dg5
-/+ (-0.73) Tiefe: 19/62 00:12:33 2423mN
(Doe, 26.06.2013)
Regards
Andi
here the Analyse of the Oldie Fritz 10:
Shows from the beginning that black is better, very smart!
6201: Komodo 5 64-bit - Houdini 3 Pro x64, Pelikan_1-4 2013
5rk1/1bN2rbp/pP1p2q1/8/4pp2/1Q6/PPN2PPP/3R1R1K w - - 0 1
Analysis by Fritz 10:
24.Se6 Te8 25.Sxf4 Dh6 26.Sh3 d5 27.Sd4 Le5 28.f4
= (0.04) Tiefe: 9/25 00:00:00 373kN
24.Se6 e3
= (-0.24) Tiefe: 10/25 00:00:00 576kN
24.Se6 e3
-/+ (-1.04) Tiefe: 10/32 00:00:00 771kN
24.f3
-/+ (-1.03) Tiefe: 10/32 00:00:00 785kN
24.f3
-/+ (-0.87) Tiefe: 10/32 00:00:00 791kN
24.f3
=/+ (-0.56) Tiefe: 10/32 00:00:00 837kN
24.f3 Kh8 25.Se6 Tg8 26.Td2 exf3 27.gxf3
=/+ (-0.45) Tiefe: 10/32 00:00:00 1324kN
24.De6
=/+ (-0.44) Tiefe: 10/32 00:00:01 1891kN
24.De6
= (-0.29) Tiefe: 10/32 00:00:01 1926kN
24.De6
= (0.03) Tiefe: 10/32 00:00:01 2052kN
24.De6 Le5 25.Dxg6+ hxg6 26.b4 Th7 27.Sd4 f3
= (0.11) Tiefe: 10/32 00:00:01 2249kN
24.De6 Dh5
= (-0.17) Tiefe: 11/31 00:00:01 3065kN
24.De6 Dh5 25.Sd4 f3 26.g3 Kh8 27.b4 Tf6 28.De7 Tg6 29.Tfe1
-/+ (-0.98) Tiefe: 11/31 00:00:02 4756kN
24.f3
-/+ (-0.97) Tiefe: 11/31 00:00:02 4771kN
24.f3
-/+ (-0.82) Tiefe: 11/31 00:00:02 4778kN
24.f3
=/+ (-0.50) Tiefe: 11/31 00:00:02 4807kN
24.f3 Kh8 25.Se6 Tg8
=/+ (-0.45) Tiefe: 11/31 00:00:02 4961kN
24.f3 Kh8 25.Se6 Tg8 26.Sg5 Tf5
=/+ (-0.55) Tiefe: 12/34 00:00:03 7420kN
24.Sd4
=/+ (-0.55) Tiefe: 12/34 00:00:03 8916kN
24.Sd4
=/+ (-0.39) Tiefe: 12/34 00:00:03 9449kN
24.Sd4 Kh8 25.Sce6 e3 26.f3 Te8 27.Tg1
=/+ (-0.39) Tiefe: 13/31 00:00:04 13527kN
24.Tg1
=/+ (-0.39) Tiefe: 13/31 00:00:06 17335kN
24.Tg1
= (-0.11) Tiefe: 14/35 00:00:10 31390kN
24.Tg1 Le5 25.Sa3 e3 26.f3 Kh8 27.Sc4 Tf5 28.Sxe5 dxe5 29.De6 Dh5 30.Sd5 e2 31.Tde1 Td8
= (-0.16) Tiefe: 15/35 00:00:17 53866kN
24.Tg1 Le5
=/+ (-0.44) Tiefe: 16/36 00:00:27 84982kN
24.Tg1 Le5 25.Sa3
=/+ (-0.44) Tiefe: 16/50 00:00:29 91147kN
24.Tg1 Le5
-/+ (-0.72) Tiefe: 17/38 00:01:14 233mN
24.Tg1 Le5 25.Sa3
-/+ (-0.72) Tiefe: 17/38 00:01:17 241mN
24.f3
-/+ (-0.71) Tiefe: 17/38 00:01:31 287mN
24.f3 Kh8 25.Se6 Tg8 26.Se1 d5 27.Sxg7 e3 28.Tg1 Tgxg7 29.Sd3
-/+ (-0.83) Tiefe: 18/42 00:05:25 1041mN
24.Tg1
-/+ (-0.83) Tiefe: 18/42 00:05:44 1104mN
24.Tg1
=/+ (-0.67) Tiefe: 18/42 00:05:49 1120mN
24.Tg1 Le5
-/+ (-0.95) Tiefe: 19/41 00:08:25 1616mN
24.Tg1 Le5 25.Se6
-/+ (-0.95) Tiefe: 19/62 00:08:56 1718mN
24.f3
-/+ (-0.95) Tiefe: 19/62 00:11:12 2160mN
24.f3
-/+ (-0.79) Tiefe: 19/62 00:11:39 2249mN
24.f3 Kh8 25.Se6 Tg8 26.Se1 d5 27.Sxg7 e3 28.Td3 Tf6 29.Db4 Txg7 30.a4 Dg5
-/+ (-0.73) Tiefe: 19/62 00:12:33 2423mN
(Doe, 26.06.2013)
Regards
Andi