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Paloma
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WCCC 2013 in Yokohama

Post by Paloma » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:32 pm

20th WCCC will held in Yokohama from 2013-08-12 to 2013-08-18

Participants so far:
Jonny
Pandix
Shredder
Merlin
Junior
HIARCS

http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/event.php?id=44

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Re: WCCC 2013 in Yokohama

Post by Sean Evans » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:05 am

Paloma wrote:20th WCCC will held in Yokohama from 2013-08-12 to 2013-08-18

Participants so far:
Jonny
Pandix
Shredder
Merlin
Junior
HIARCS

http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/event.php?id=44
I wonder if Houdini will enter :lol:

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Re: WCCC 2013 in Yokohama

Post by overlord » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:07 am

Funny tournament. Houdini running on low-end smartphone would crush them all in 25 moves :lol:

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Re: WCCC 2013 in Yokohama

Post by overlord » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:09 am

It is really funny that engines like Shredder, Fritz, Junior or Hiarcs are not freeware. Computer chess is very special, freeware might be much stronger then paid programmes :)

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Re: WCCC 2013 in Yokohama

Post by hgm » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:19 am

overlord wrote:Funny tournament. Houdini running on low-end smartphone would crush them all in 25 moves :lol:
Want to bet on that? :roll:

And there really isn't anything remarkable in computer Chess. Fenced goods are usually much cheaper than the real thing...

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Re: WCCC 2013 in Yokohama

Post by overlord » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:18 am

unfortunatelly, still there isn´t android version of Houdini :D

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Re: WCCC 2013 in Yokohama

Post by Modern Times » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:59 pm

overlord wrote:Funny tournament. Houdini running on low-end smartphone would crush them all in 25 moves :lol:
It may crush them, but probably not in 25 moves. But Houdini for Andrioid doesn't exist (yet).

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Re: WCCC 2013 in Yokohama

Post by hgm » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:53 pm

I am pretty sure the odds are overwhelmingly against that. Running on a low-end phone you take an 500-800 Elo hit compared to running on a heavy multi-chip server machine.

Do you really believe Houdini has the required 800-1100 Elo advantage (on equal hardware) over Shredder needed to crush it in 25 moves in those conditions?

Fact is that the pretty marginal advantage it does have on equal hardware is likely more than offset by the much better books used by the participants. That makes that its chances to win the WCCC, if it would register in addition to the currently registered field, are not really very good. You must be really a lot stronger than the rest of the field if you are outnumbered by a lot of nearly equal opponents to get a better than 50-50 winning chance, as almost certainly one of those will be more lucky than you.

It is not really a mystery why Houdini categorically refuses to participate in tournaments that use own books. :lol:

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Re: WCCC 2013 in Yokohama

Post by Mike S. » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:45 pm

Alone the fact that this is being discussed, is very telling about what the general audience thinks about that group of opponents. I wonder if the travelling costs to Yokohama are a good investment, even for those which gain an ICGA title or two.

OTOH, of course I would love to see Komodo or Stockfish go there, which shouldn't have any "derivative" problem (if wee see Glaurung --> Stockfish as one continuous developement which it in fact is), and grab titles easily. :mrgreen:

That would establish somewhat more realism beyond the ultrainformed computer chess circles.
Regards, Mike

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Re: WCCC 2013 in Yokohama

Post by hgm » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:51 pm

Mike S. wrote:Alone the fact that this is being discussed, is very telling about what the general audience thinks about that group of opponents.
It is actually more telling about the intelligence level of this 'general audience'.

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