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Re: Hiarcs wins 3rd World Chess Software Championship

Post by edwardyu » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:30 am

BTW, what is the difference between WCCC and WCSC ? Hardware?

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Re: Hiarcs wins 3rd World Chess Software Championship

Post by Vinvin » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:37 am

edwardyu wrote:BTW, what is the difference between WCCC and WCSC ? Hardware?
WCCC : free chosen hardware : http://icga.uvt.nl/?page_id=631

WCSC : S= software, so same hardware : All programs play on the following hardware: laptop with I7-3740, 2.7 GHz and 16 GB RAM.
-> http://icga.uvt.nl/?page_id=633

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Re: Hiarcs wins 3rd World Chess Software Championship

Post by geots » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:05 am

Modern Times wrote:Anybody has the right to call something a World Championship. The ICGA is just one that does it. Just because it has been doing it for several years or is affiliated to FIDE does not make it "Official", or any more worthy than anyone else.


I would be embarrassed if anyone knew I was affiliated with the International Chewing Gum Association in the first place.


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Re: Hiarcs wins 3rd World Chess Software Championship

Post by Milos » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:28 pm

Gerd Isenberg wrote:
Laskos wrote:Is ICGA affiliated with FIDE? Just curious about FIDE allowing social events like WCCC to be called whatever. How are the girls there, in Yokohama?
ICGA is Affiliated International Organization of FIDE, with the aim to organize the World Computer Chess Championship.
http://www.fide.com/component/fidedirec ... affiliated
http://ilk.uvt.nl/icga/organisation/

There once was a statement in ICGAJ related to FIDE/ICGA, where FIDE abstained from computer-computer championships, and authorized ICGA in organizing their own championships.
This is just bollocks.
Affiliation means nothing at all. FIDE has members, there is no computer chess organization that is a member of FIDE.
Any organization even remotely related to chess can be affiliated with FIDE if it provides a sufficient "gift" to Ilyumzhinov.

Levy is nothing but a "businessman" whose main company is ICGA registered as some NGO. Profit is earned by donations of authors of commercial engines of the third league of computer chess who wouldn't be able to have any sales of their products if there was no advertizing done through commercial events of ICGA.
The whole organization is nothing but a pathetic society of couple of 60+ yo chess programmers and handful of equally senile chess enthusiasts.

In other words it's a joke, probably even bigger than its "world champion".

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Re: Hiarcs wins 3rd World Chess Software Championship

Post by Gerd Isenberg » Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:21 pm

Milos wrote:
Gerd Isenberg wrote:
Laskos wrote:Is ICGA affiliated with FIDE? Just curious about FIDE allowing social events like WCCC to be called whatever. How are the girls there, in Yokohama?
ICGA is Affiliated International Organization of FIDE, with the aim to organize the World Computer Chess Championship.
http://www.fide.com/component/fidedirec ... affiliated
http://ilk.uvt.nl/icga/organisation/

There once was a statement in ICGAJ related to FIDE/ICGA, where FIDE abstained from computer-computer championships, and authorized ICGA in organizing their own championships.
This is just bollocks.
Affiliation means nothing at all. FIDE has members, there is no computer chess organization that is a member of FIDE.
Any organization even remotely related to chess can be affiliated with FIDE if it provides a sufficient "gift" to Ilyumzhinov.

Levy is nothing but a "businessman" whose main company is ICGA registered as some NGO. Profit is earned by donations of authors of commercial engines of the third league of computer chess who wouldn't be able to have any sales of their products if there was no advertizing done through commercial events of ICGA.
The whole organization is nothing but a pathetic society of couple of 60+ yo chess programmers and handful of equally senile chess enthusiasts.

In other words it's a joke, probably even bigger than its "world champion".
The question was "Is ICGA affiliated with FIDE", not what that means. Obviously there are some relations and agreements. On the sufficient "gift" to Ilyumzhinov, see the 2006 ChessBase article.

ICGA is non profit afaik. Members pay 40€/50$ fee per year to receive 4 issues of the ICGAJ. They organize their tournaments funded by sponsors and entry fees of participants, and have annual treasurer reports in ICGAJ. Regression in computer chess is probably compensated by other games, Go, Shogi, Poker etc.. As HGM mentioned elsewhere in this thread, ICGA is a pretty democratic organization.

Of course Levy is "businessman", but neither is ICGA a company nor his company. This is Intelligent Toys Ltd.. Not sure about the "Brain and Mind Sports Foundation", primary sponsor of the recent Games Tournament 2013 in Yokohama aka 17th Computer Olympiad, and former MSO Ltd. or MSO Worldwide Ltd..

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Re: Hiarcs wins 3rd World Chess Software Championship

Post by mclane » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:55 pm

and handful of equally senile chess enthusiasts
senile ?

i am 46.

i am not senile.
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Re: Hiarcs wins 3rd World Chess Software Championship

Post by Henk » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:03 pm

mclane wrote:
and handful of equally senile chess enthusiasts
senile ?

i am 46.

i am not senile.
I am 47.
I am senile.

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Re: Hiarcs wins 3rd World Chess Software Championship

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:14 am

Henk wrote:
mclane wrote:
and handful of equally senile chess enthusiasts
senile ?

i am 46.

i am not senile.
I am 47.
I am senile.
You guys made me laugh :lol:

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Re: Hiarcs wins 3rd World Chess Software Championship

Post by beram » Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:35 pm

Peter Skinner wrote:
overlord wrote:Yes, exactly. Without win in match against Houdini, Hiarcs will never be world champion. If you want to become heavy weight champion in boxing, you have to beat Vladimir Kličko not some drunk guys in the pub :D :D :D
..
Hiarcs _won_ an event against the opposition presented. It's impossible for Hiarcs to win against someone who _didn't_ participate. Therefore, Hiarcs _is_ the World Computer Software Champion because is won against the other programs at the World Computer Software Championships.
..
Based on your logic, it doesn't matter who wins the World Series if the Yankees didn't make it to the playoffs. Since they didn't face the Yankees, calling them the World Champions is ridiculous.

Peter
Well here is an equal conditions 50 games match between WCCC champion and Houdini 4: http://cegt.forumieren.com/t41-testing-houdini-40-x64

Quite a devastating result for a champion


vs Hiarcs 14 [2829] 44.0- 6.0 perf=3175 [G.S.]

Code: Select all

Houdini 4.0 x64 1CPU

vs BlackMamba 1.4 x64          [2927] 39.5-10.5 perf=3157 [W.S.]
vs Chiron 1.5 x64              [2850] 40.0-10.0 perf=3091 [G.S.]
vs Critter 1.6 x64             [2985] 35.5-14.5 perf=3141 [W.B.]
vs Deep Fritz 14 x64           [2905] 41.0- 9.0 perf=3168 [W.S.]
vs Deep Junior 13.3 x64        [2757] 46.5- 3.5 perf=3206 [G.S.]
vs Deep Shredder 12 x64        [2800] 44.5- 5.5 perf=3163 [W.B.]
vs Deep Sjeng ct 2010 w32      [2795] 44.5- 5.5 perf=3158 [G.S.]
vs Equinox 2.01 x64            [2973] 35.5-14.5 perf=3129 [G.S.]
vs Fritz 13                    [2815] 43.5- 6.5 perf=3145 [W.S.]
vs Gull 2.2 x64                [2976] 33.0-17.0 perf=3091 [G.S.]
vs Hannibal 1.4a x64           [2840] 39.0-11.0 perf=3060 [G.S.]
vs Hiarcs 14                   [2829] 44.0- 6.0 perf=3175 [G.S.]
vs Jonny 6.00 x64              [2784] 46.5- 3.5 perf=3233 [G.S.]
vs Komodo 5.1r2 x64            [3024] 00.0-00.0 perf=xxxx [W.B.]
vs Komodo 6.0 x64              [3046] 00.0-00.0 perf=xxxx [G.S.]
vs Loop 2010-x x64             [2837] 41.0- 9.0 perf=3100 [G.S.]
vs Naum 4.2 x64                [2815] 45.0- 5.0 perf=3197 [W.B.]
vs Protector 1.5.0 x64         [2837] 00.0-00.0 perf=xxxx [W.B.]
vs Quazar 0.4 x64              [2740] 00.0-00.0 perf=xxxx [W.B.]
vs Rybka 4.1 x64               [2947] 37.5-12.5 perf=3138 [G.S.]
vs Spark 1.0 x64               [2754] 45.0- 5.0 perf=3136 [W.S.]
vs Spike 1.4                   [2772] 45.5- 4.5 perf=3176 [W.B.]
vs Stockfish 4.0 x64           [3015] 28.5-21.5 perf=3064 [W.B.]

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Re: Hiarcs wins 3rd World Chess Software Championship

Post by Milos » Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:47 pm

beram wrote:Well here is an equal conditions 50 games match between WCCC champion and Houdini 4: http://cegt.forumieren.com/t41-testing-houdini-40-x64

Quite a devastating result for a champion


vs Hiarcs 14 [2829] 44.0- 6.0 perf=3175 [G.S.]

Code: Select all

Houdini 4.0 x64 1CPU

vs BlackMamba 1.4 x64          [2927] 39.5-10.5 perf=3157 [W.S.]
vs Chiron 1.5 x64              [2850] 40.0-10.0 perf=3091 [G.S.]
vs Critter 1.6 x64             [2985] 35.5-14.5 perf=3141 [W.B.]
vs Deep Fritz 14 x64           [2905] 41.0- 9.0 perf=3168 [W.S.]
vs Deep Junior 13.3 x64        [2757] 46.5- 3.5 perf=3206 [G.S.]
vs Deep Shredder 12 x64        [2800] 44.5- 5.5 perf=3163 [W.B.]
vs Deep Sjeng ct 2010 w32      [2795] 44.5- 5.5 perf=3158 [G.S.]
vs Equinox 2.01 x64            [2973] 35.5-14.5 perf=3129 [G.S.]
vs Fritz 13                    [2815] 43.5- 6.5 perf=3145 [W.S.]
vs Gull 2.2 x64                [2976] 33.0-17.0 perf=3091 [G.S.]
vs Hannibal 1.4a x64           [2840] 39.0-11.0 perf=3060 [G.S.]
vs Hiarcs 14                   [2829] 44.0- 6.0 perf=3175 [G.S.]
vs Jonny 6.00 x64              [2784] 46.5- 3.5 perf=3233 [G.S.]
vs Komodo 5.1r2 x64            [3024] 00.0-00.0 perf=xxxx [W.B.]
vs Komodo 6.0 x64              [3046] 00.0-00.0 perf=xxxx [G.S.]
vs Loop 2010-x x64             [2837] 41.0- 9.0 perf=3100 [G.S.]
vs Naum 4.2 x64                [2815] 45.0- 5.0 perf=3197 [W.B.]
vs Protector 1.5.0 x64         [2837] 00.0-00.0 perf=xxxx [W.B.]
vs Quazar 0.4 x64              [2740] 00.0-00.0 perf=xxxx [W.B.]
vs Rybka 4.1 x64               [2947] 37.5-12.5 perf=3138 [G.S.]
vs Spark 1.0 x64               [2754] 45.0- 5.0 perf=3136 [W.S.]
vs Spike 1.4                   [2772] 45.5- 4.5 perf=3176 [W.B.]
vs Stockfish 4.0 x64           [3015] 28.5-21.5 perf=3064 [W.B.]
Don't be so cruel my Droidfish on S4 smartphone performed just a slightly better result against H4 on modern hexacore, which means if I gave Hiaracs 4 times longer thinking time on modern hexacore it might make a very tight 10 games match with Droidfish on my smartphone. That's quite good performance for a world champion, don't you think? :lol: :lol:

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