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Re: TM Dendogram - Christmas 2013 Edition

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:38 pm
by Adam Hair
ThomasJMiller wrote:
Tom Likens wrote:Hello Thomas,

Djinn is weak, but I know I haven't copied it--that said, I would be very curious who it is most similar to. Could you include it in the test, (latest public version is 0.992)?

thanks,
--tom
Hello Tom,
unfortunately Djinn supports only the Winboard protocol and Don's Similarity Tester works with UCI engines. I might try Wb2UCI, but I had some problems with it in the past.
I think Djinn + wb2uci worked fine for me, but I do not quite remember. It is possible that you will have to change 'go depth 50' to 'go infinite'.

Re: TM Dendogram - Christmas 2013 Edition

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:28 pm
by Dr.Wael Deeb
Adam Hair wrote:
ThomasJMiller wrote:
Tom Likens wrote:Hello Thomas,

Djinn is weak, but I know I haven't copied it--that said, I would be very curious who it is most similar to. Could you include it in the test, (latest public version is 0.992)?

thanks,
--tom
Hello Tom,
unfortunately Djinn supports only the Winboard protocol and Don's Similarity Tester works with UCI engines. I might try Wb2UCI, but I had some problems with it in the past.
I think Djinn + wb2uci worked fine for me, but I do not quite remember. It is possible that you will have to change 'go depth 50' to 'go infinite'.
Here is a fine working WB2UCI configuration:

[ENGINE]
Name=Djinn 0.992
Author=Tom Likens, Etat-Unis
Filename=Wb2Uci.exe

[OPTIONS]
Program=djinn992_x64_popcnt.exe
TerminateHard=true
Whitescore=true
LevelExtend=failsafe
InitTime=5
MateScore=100000
Ownbook=true


Just change the name of the .exe file according to your system....
Dr.D

Re: The main computer chess cancer !

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:40 pm
by Sylwy
Is here:

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A lot of scientists ! :roll:

SilvianR :wink:

Re: The main computer chess cancer !

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:40 pm
by Dr.Wael Deeb
Sylwy wrote:Is here:

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SilvianR :wink:
Who is here :!: :?:

:D

Re: The main computer chess cancer !

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:43 pm
by Sylwy
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Sylwy wrote:Is here:

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SilvianR :wink:
Who is here :!: :?:

:D
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

THE CC SCIENTISTS !

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: The main computer chess cancer !

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:45 pm
by Dr.Wael Deeb
Sylwy wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Sylwy wrote:Is here:

Image

SilvianR :wink:
Who is here :!: :?:

:D
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

THE CC SCIENTISTS !

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: TM Dendogram - Christmas 2013 Edition

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:04 pm
by velmarin
elcabesa wrote:it's has been the most beautiful toy I received, I used lot's of ideas code from stockfish and other open source engines and I alway worried about "being a clone".
Now I'm happy. My engine is not strong but it's not a clone too :)

Marco, do not follow this path.

I indigestible theme clone.
Vajolet is a derivative by Winglet , educational engine by Stef Luijten.

Keep up the good work, but not entangled.
Greetings Jose.

Re: TM Dendogram - Christmas 2013 Edition

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:37 am
by Graham Banks
ThomasJMiller wrote:Will programmers receive toys and candy or coal this Christmas? To find out, let's check Santa's Naughty or Nice List :D
Latest releases of many commercial and free engines have been included together with the most important open source ones.

Testing all the engines and preparing the dendogram has taken a lot of time so I wouldn't like this thread to be moved to the Engine Origins subforum. Therefore, please, avoid making comments like XXX is clone of YYY or so.
Everyone can nowadays read a dendogram, so you can draw your own conclusions by yourself.

Thanks to Adam Hair who helped me improve selfsimilarity results.

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Protector 1.5.0 is most similar to Stockfish DD, yet Protector came out first. Therefore not much can be read into that, despite the correlation being less than the 12.5 cutoff mentioned?

Re: TM Dendogram - Christmas 2013 Edition

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:04 am
by Adam Hair
Graham Banks wrote:
ThomasJMiller wrote:Will programmers receive toys and candy or coal this Christmas? To find out, let's check Santa's Naughty or Nice List :D
Latest releases of many commercial and free engines have been included together with the most important open source ones.

Testing all the engines and preparing the dendogram has taken a lot of time so I wouldn't like this thread to be moved to the Engine Origins subforum. Therefore, please, avoid making comments like XXX is clone of YYY or so.
Everyone can nowadays read a dendogram, so you can draw your own conclusions by yourself.

Thanks to Adam Hair who helped me improve selfsimilarity results.

Image
Protector 1.5.0 is most similar to Stockfish DD, yet Protector came out first. Therefore not much can be read into that, despite the correlation being less than the 12.5 cutoff mentioned?
In this dendrogram, Protector 1.5.0 is most similiar to the group of Stockfish engines, not necessarily Stockfish DD itself. If we could look at the similarity percentages for each pair, I believe that Protector 1.5.0 would be more similar to SF 2.3.1 than to SF DD.

Re: TM Dendogram - Christmas 2013 Edition

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:33 am
by michiguel
Adam Hair wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
ThomasJMiller wrote:Will programmers receive toys and candy or coal this Christmas? To find out, let's check Santa's Naughty or Nice List :D
Latest releases of many commercial and free engines have been included together with the most important open source ones.

Testing all the engines and preparing the dendogram has taken a lot of time so I wouldn't like this thread to be moved to the Engine Origins subforum. Therefore, please, avoid making comments like XXX is clone of YYY or so.
Everyone can nowadays read a dendogram, so you can draw your own conclusions by yourself.

Thanks to Adam Hair who helped me improve selfsimilarity results.

Image
Protector 1.5.0 is most similar to Stockfish DD, yet Protector came out first. Therefore not much can be read into that, despite the correlation being less than the 12.5 cutoff mentioned?
In this dendrogram, Protector 1.5.0 is most similiar to the group of Stockfish engines, not necessarily Stockfish DD itself. If we could look at the similarity percentages for each pair, I believe that Protector 1.5.0 would be more similar to SF 2.3.1 than to SF DD.
The confidence of the branches cannot be assessed if a bootstrap analysis is not done. Quite likely, this protector similarity is meaningless.

Miguel