Magnus thinks 7-piece TBs won't be resolved in our lifetime

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Magnus thinks 7-piece TBs won't be resolved in our lifetime

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Magnus: "There are databases already for all possible moves with six pieces on the board, but I don’t think we’ll see seven pieces resolved in our lifetime."

(When he says "our lifetime", I think he means his lifetime, so take it from that perspective.)

I wonder what are people's thoughts on this.

http://en.chessbase.com/post/carlsen-wi ... con-valley
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arjuntemurnikar wrote:I wonder what are people's thoughts on this.
Assuming he's including the kings into the number 7 (which he does, as he also mentions the number 32), he's not very up to date. The 7-piece tables have all been generated already.
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arjuntemurnikar wrote:Magnus: "There are databases already for all possible moves with six pieces on the board, but I don’t think we’ll see seven pieces resolved in our lifetime."

(When he says "our lifetime", I think he means his lifetime, so take it from that perspective.)

I wonder what are people's thoughts on this.

http://en.chessbase.com/post/carlsen-wi ... con-valley
Not very surprising seeing a chess player talking about things they have no clue about. He is not immune. The fact that he became famous fast, and the fact that people bombard him with all sort of questions does not help either. Every youngster will say something silly sooner or later when it is constantly in the spotlight.

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syzygy wrote:
arjuntemurnikar wrote:I wonder what are people's thoughts on this.
Assuming he's including the kings into the number 7 (which he does, as he also mentions the number 32), he's not very up to date. The 7-piece tables have all been generated already.
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arjuntemurnikar wrote:Magnus: "There are databases already for all possible moves with six pieces on the board, but I don’t think we’ll see seven pieces resolved in our lifetime."

(When he says "our lifetime", I think he means his lifetime, so take it from that perspective.)

I wonder what are people's thoughts on this.

http://en.chessbase.com/post/carlsen-wi ... con-valley
Obviously it won't ever happen, but it seems to me that IF there would ever be 11-piece tablebasses, and they can be accessed in any parts of games where the search reaches positions with those possible end-games,

then, if so,

I think that chess can be considered solved!

I mean, as we will certainly never reach 32-piece tablebasses, if our dreams will end at 11-piece, I think we will have reached the highest perfection possible. It might be worth a try, if the results might be so great!

Just think how wonderful it would be, if any position with up to 11 pieces, is totally worked out to perfection!

(I'm speaking from a little amount of observation and thought, that 11 would hit a goldmine, but that 10 would still miss it but also that 12 will not be necesary. It would be interesting to know if the greatest experts and geniuses and chess visionaries would agree about this).
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S.Taylor wrote:
arjuntemurnikar wrote:Magnus: "There are databases already for all possible moves with six pieces on the board, but I don’t think we’ll see seven pieces resolved in our lifetime."

(When he says "our lifetime", I think he means his lifetime, so take it from that perspective.)

I wonder what are people's thoughts on this.

http://en.chessbase.com/post/carlsen-wi ... con-valley
Obviously it won't ever happen, but it seems to me that IF there would ever be 11-piece tablebasses, and they can be accessed in any parts of games where the search reaches positions with those possible end-games,

then, if so,

I think that chess can be considered solved!

I mean, as we will certainly never reach 32-piece tablebasses, if our dreams will end at 11-piece, I think we will have reached the highest perfection possible. It might be worth a try, if the results might be so great!

Just think how wonderful it would be, if any position with up to 11 pieces, is totally worked out to perfection!

(I'm speaking from a little amount of observation and thought, that 11 would hit a goldmine, but that 10 would still miss it but also that 12 will not be necesary. It would be interesting to know if the greatest experts and geniuses and chess visionaries would agree about this).
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arjuntemurnikar wrote:Are there any plans to have a DTZ version of Lomonosov Endgame Tablebases by yourself, or someone else? Is this even feasible?
My generator (with a few minor modifications) would need a machine with 1TB of shared memory to generate 7-piece tables. Such machines exist, but I don't have one :). I suppose they will become affordable eventually.
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syzygy wrote:
arjuntemurnikar wrote:I wonder what are people's thoughts on this.
Assuming he's including the kings into the number 7 (which he does, as he also mentions the number 32), he's not very up to date. The 7-piece tables have all been generated already.
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I just bought a new ssd for your 6 man endgame tables. Now I need another 100 TB of storage. :roll:
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mwyoung wrote:I just bought a new ssd for your 6 man endgame tables. Now I need another 100 TB of storage. :roll:
Luckily those tables have not been made available for download :-)
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syzygy wrote:
arjuntemurnikar wrote:I wonder what are people's thoughts on this.
Assuming he's including the kings into the number 7 (which he does, as he also mentions the number 32), he's not very up to date. The 7-piece tables have all been generated already.
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Magnus obviously doesn't know Aquarium :-)