Human being beat Stockfish playing without Queen 37 moves!!

[skoony]

Machines are crazy .

If you raise , I descend .
Madness and its universe is incomprehensible to computers.
Algorithm has the problem of being prisoner of the mathematical logic.
Computers know how to add, subtract, multiply, divide , but computers do not know poetry and rhyme.
Computers are a lousy dancers.
Computers are a lousy chess lovers.
Computers do not know of loves and hates, computers do not know about the preternatural .
A human error against Deep Blue was follow the tradition of the aesthetics of historical chess.
Chess computers are unaware of the abstract concept.
Chess computers know geometry but computers are unaware of discovering the secrets of creating a simple potato.
Vanity vanity and vanity only vanity; that is the life of man and woman on the face of the Earth.
These words I write and post here are also vanity.
The power, the honor and glory are the God of heaven, the creator of the visible and the invisible.
The story has already been written
My respects,
Father and grandfather in playchess

Pablo come back.
dont follow the lights.
mike

[Father]

Hello,

It is the turn for compuers in my post. Komodo 5, got to me a beutifull mate. An incredible mate with knights.

Best regards,

Father

Congratullations ro Komodo computer team.


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Komodo 5 64-bit (single): 15.5 plies; 1.268kN/s Intel(R) Core(TM)
i5-2400S CPU @ 2.50GHz 2493MHz, (4 CPUs)
Applause has been sent (Kasparito_2)


[pgn][Event "Rated game, 3 min"]
[Site "Engine Room"]
[Date "2014.01.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Grand-father"]
[Black "Kasparito_2"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D00"]
[WhiteElo "1908"]
[BlackElo "2250"]
[PlyCount "50"]
[EventDate "2014.01.29"]
[TimeControl "180"]

1. d4 {1} Nf6 {B 0} 2. e3 {1} d5 {B 0} 3. c3 {2} Bf5 {B 0} 4. f4 {1} Nbd7 {-0.
30/18 23} 5. Nf3 {1} c6 {-0.30/18 3} 6. Bd3 {1 (Ae2)} e6 {-0.31/16 2} 7. O-O {0
} Be7 {-0.27/18 7} 8. Re1 {1 (c4)} O-O {-0.48/15 4} 9. Qc2 {1 (c4)} Bxd3 {3}
10. Qxd3 {-0.60/14 0} Rc8 {-0.52/17 4} 11. Nbd2 {1} c5 {-0.59/17 5} 12. Nf1 {
1 (b3)} Ne4 {-0.88/15 3} 13. Bd2 {2 (Dc2)} Ndf6 {-0.95/15 3} 14. a3 {1 (Cg3)}
Bd6 {-1.09/15 7} 15. Ra2 {2 (Ac1)} Qc7 {-1.21/15 5} 16. g3 {2 (a4)} Qb6 {-1.56/
14 4} 17. Kg2 {5 (h3)} Ng4 {-1.62/14 4} 18. Rea1 {13 (Dc2)} c4 {-1.55/15 5} 19.
Qc2 {3 (De2)} Qb3 {-1.65/15 5} 20. Qb1 {6} Ngf2 {-1.55/17 1} 21. Bc1 {2 (Ae1)}
Nd3 {-2.04/14 3} 22. N3d2 {3 (Ad2)} Ne1+ {-#11/14 1} 23. Kg1 {7} Qd1 {-#8/18 4}
24. Nxe4 {4 (Dxe4)} Qe2 {-#5/14 1} 25. Nf2 {3 (Cf6+)} Qf3 {-#3/14 0
Grand-father resigns (Lag: Av=0.38s, max=0.6s)} 0-1

[/pgn]


[D]2r2rk1/pp3ppp/3bp3/3p4/2pPnP2/PqP1P1P1/RP1N2KP/RQB1nN2 w - - 0 23[D]

[D]2r2rk1/pp3ppp/3bp3/3p4/2pPNP2/P1P1P1P1/RP5P/RQBqnNK1 b - - 0 24[D]

[D]2r2rk1/pp3ppp/3bp3/3p4/2pP1P2/P1P1P1P1/RP2qN1P/RQB1nNK1 b - - 0 25[D]

[kgburcham]

I do not know if there is a top engine that can practically find f4 today,

[D] 2r5/4r1k1/1qb1p1p1/3pPpPp/p1pP3K/PpP2NP1/1P6/R1BB4 b - -

Houdini 4 (8192 MB)

16/51 0:02 -6.95 127...f4 128.gxf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Qf8 130.Be3 Rf7 131.Kg3 h4+ 132.Nxh4 Bd7 133.Rh1 Qh8 134.Nf5+ Rxf5 135.Rxh8 Rxh8 136.Bg4 Rf7 137.Bg1 Rh1 138.Kg2 Rxf4 139.Bh3 Rxh3 140.Kxh3 Rf1 (68.159.062) 32721

See, not that hard. Only took 2 seconds.

You must be joking, he obviously didn't clear the hash.

Hello Milos.
Of course you gave me the ultimate compliment so thanks Milos.
Since I always reboot between test positions, I know hash was cleared.
I assume you know why I reboot.
Let me ask you this, At what time does f4 have to show for you to believe that the hash was cleared? Is 1 minute ok? 2 minutes ok? 30 seconds ok? you tell me then I will show you something, be honest with me and I will show you.

I can have f4 start anytime with a clear hash, your post tells me you don't know how. I do.




[D] 2r5/4r1k1/1qb1p1p1/3pPpPp/p1pP3K/PpP2NP1/1P6/R1BB4 b - -

also I can get f4 to post first and stay without variation after a reboot. I will do it in the last analysis

here is another after a reboot

14/26 0:01 -9.27 127...f4 128.gxf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Qf8 130.Kg3 Rb7 131.Nh4 Qf7 (34.576.052) 22264
15/31 0:01 -9.15 127...f4 128.gxf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Qf8 130.Kg3 Rf7 131.Be3 Qe7 (34.942.781) 22185
16/31 0:02 -9.10 127...f4 128.gxf4 Qd8 (47.749.040) 22095
16/31 0:02 -9.14 127...Qd8 128.Bf4 Kh8 129.Be2 Re8 130.Kh3 Bb7 (53.547.882) 22145
17/34 0:02 -9.12 127...Qd8 128.Bf4 Kh8 (59.431.756) 22019
18/37 0:03 -8.98 127...Qd8 (75.254.628) 21825
18/37 0:03 -8.98 127...Rb7 128.Bf4 Kh8 (86.251.704) 21693
19/37 0:04 -8.98 127...Rb7 128.Bf4 Kh8 (92.677.555) 21448
20/39 0:07 -8.78 127...Rb7 128.Bf4 Be8 (164.318.392) 21085
21/39 0:11 -8.42-- 127...Rb7 128.Bf4 (250.276.834) 20906
21/39 0:17 -7.69-- 127...Rb7 128.Bf4 (362.087.726) 20983
21/69 0:30 -5.63-- 127...Rb7 128.Bf4 (627.704.142) 20596
21/69 0:59 -7.97 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rh8 129.Be3 Qd8 (1.159.273.802) 19633
22/69 1:00 -7.64-- 127...f4 128.gxf4 (1.185.993.175) 19608
22/69 1:06 -6.98-- 127...f4 128.gxf4 (1.294.805.881) 19595
22/75 1:28 -6.85 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rh8 129.Kg3 h4+ (1.725.862.886) 19460
23/75 1:32 -6.89 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rh8 129.Kg3 h4+ (1.795.178.493) 19500
24/75 1:49 -7.18++ 127...f4 (2.138.435.560) 19477
24/75 1:51 -7.75++ 127...f4 (2.162.090.010) 19450

and here is another after a reboot

15/25 0:00 -9.29 127...Ree8 128.Bf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Ba8 130.Kh3 Kf7 (18.442.634) 20933
16/32 0:01 -9.15 127...Ree8 128.Bf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Ba8 130.Kh3 Rb8 131.Rf1 h4 (31.552.241) 21105
16/33 0:02 -9.21 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be3 Ref7 130.Kg3 Qb7 (46.567.312) 20938
17/33 0:02 -9.09 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be3 Ref7 130.Kg3 Qb7 131.Rc1 Qc7 (47.621.098) 20813
18/38 0:03 -8.88 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be3 Be8 130.Be2 Qb7 131.Rh1 Bf7 132.Bf1 Bg8 (77.547.396) 20723
18/38 0:04 -9.08 127...Ree8 128.Bf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Ba8 130.Kh3 h4 131.Nxh4 Rh8 (85.244.214) 20821
19/38 0:05 -9.07 127...Ree8 128.Bf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Qe7 130.Kh3 h4 (110.688.212) 20967
20/38 0:06 -9.06 127...Ree8 128.Bf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Qe7 (134.982.568) 20979
21/38 0:08 -9.05 127...Ree8 128.Bf4 Qd8 (169.435.035) 21019
22/40 0:14 -8.68-- 127...Ree8 128.Bf4 (290.674.847) 20551
22/42 0:19 -8.73 127...Qb7 128.Bf4 Kf8 129.Be2 Ke8 (388.594.918) 20386
23/42 0:25 -8.69 127...Qb7 128.Bf4 Kf8 129.Be2 Ke8 (512.808.530) 20167
24/47 0:42 -8.33-- 127...Qb7 128.Bf4 (839.207.953) 19975
24/52 1:08 -7.91 127...Qb7 128.Bf4 Kf8 129.Be2 Ke8 (1.351.507.781) 19811
25/81 1:39 -7.80 127...Qb7 128.Bf4 Kf8 129.Be2 Ke8 (1.961.181.999) 19636
26/81 2:01 -7.48-- 127...Qb7 128.Bf4 (2.398.013.502) 19678
26/81 2:08 -8.12++ 127...f4 (2.514.976.983) 19581
26/81 3:03 -7.48-- 127...f4 128.gxf4 (3.521.907.179) 19189
26/81 4:35 -7.48 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be3 Qd8 130.Kg3 Rf5 (5.231.057.614) 18986

here is the f4 all the way through after a reboot

16/36 0:01 -8.50-- 127...f4 128.gxf4 (20.358.328) 19333
16/38 0:01 -7.77-- 127...f4 128.gxf4 (36.360.085) 19814
16/41 0:02 -7.60 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be2 Be8 (50.414.233) 19973
17/41 0:02 -7.29-- 127...f4 128.gxf4 (56.891.535) 20174
17/55 0:03 -7.01 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be2 Qc7 (69.591.192) 20253
18/55 0:03 -7.31++ 127...f4 (71.840.818) 20357
18/55 0:04 -6.73 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be3 Qc7 (83.526.542) 20273
19/55 0:04 -7.01++ 127...f4 (95.283.100) 20333
19/55 0:04 -7.58++ 127...f4 (95.382.494) 20315
19/58 0:06 -6.61 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be3 Bb7 (132.267.795) 19753
20/58 0:07 -6.52 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be3 Be8 (157.587.285) 19819
21/58 0:09 -6.79++ 127...f4 (188.435.260) 19843
21/58 0:09 -7.33++ 127...f4 (194.105.332) 19768
21/58 0:10 -6.59 127...f4 128.gxf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Qf8 (204.557.960) 19701
22/58 0:12 -6.32-- 127...f4 128.gxf4 (236.951.360) 19699
22/58 0:12 -6.35 127...f4 128.gxf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Qf8 (254.615.173) 19779
23/58 0:14 -6.46 127...f4 128.gxf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Qf8 (284.384.901) 19687
24/59 0:15 -6.73++ 127...f4 (305.533.914) 19628
24/72 0:24 -6.19-- 127...f4 128.gxf4 (468.709.335) 19258
24/79 0:38 -6.15 127...f4 128.gxf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Qf8 (736.588.436) 19091
25/79 0:56 -5.90-- 127...f4 128.gxf4 (1.072.511.655) 19116
25/79 1:10 -6.40++ 127...f4 (1.345.809.641) 19075
25/79 1:13 -6.91++ 127...f4 (1.395.915.405) 18988
25/83 1:58 -5.71 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be2 Qd8 (2.224.912.483) 18777

Now do you want me to show you how to get f4 to start at 10 minutes, 30 minutes, not show at all.
Milos if you dont know the limits of your race car, you are giving up a lot of potential.
Of course I am limited because I am not a programmer, but when I first purchase a program, I spend a lot of time learning
what I have to work with.
kgburcham

[Father]

Houdini 4 has been for me as a nigtme


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No. of players receiving your offer: 4Houdini 4 Pro x64 (2 cores): 21.6 plies; 2.618kN/s Intel(R) Core(TM) i5
CPU M 480 @ 2.67GHz 2660MHz, (2 cores, 4 threads)

[pgn][Event "Rated game, 3 min"]
[Site "Engine Room"]
[Date "2014.01.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "good times"]
[Black "Grand-father"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A90"]
[WhiteElo "2411"]
[BlackElo "1896"]
[PlyCount "226"]
[EventDate "2014.01.29"]
[TimeControl "180"]

1. d4 {0} d5 {1} 2. c4 {0} c6 {2} 3. Nf3 {0} f5 {2} 4. g3 {0} Nf6 {1} 5. Bg2 {
11} e6 {1} 6. O-O {0} Bd6 {1} 7. Nc3 {0} O-O {1} 8. Qb3 {0} Re8 {2} 9. Qc2 {11}
Qe7 {2} 10. a3 {20} a6 {2} 11. c5 {11} Bc7 {19} 12. Bf4 {0} Qd8 {2} 13. e3 {2}
Nh5 {7} 14. Bxc7 {2} Qxc7 {0} 15. Ne5 {4} Nf6 {1} 16. f4 {6} Re7 {2} 17. b4 {3}
g6 {2} 18. Bf3 {9} Bd7 {1} 19. Na4 {1} Rg7 {3} 20. Nb6 {3} Ra7 {1} 21. Rab1 {3}
Be8 {1} 22. a4 {2} Nfd7 {2} 23. a5 {7} Nf6 {3} 24. Nd3 {14} h5 {6} 25. Nf2 {9}
Nbd7 {2} 26. Nh3 {0} Nf8 {4} 27. Ng5 {2} N6h7 {2} 28. h4 {3} Nf6 {1} 29. Bg2 {9
} Qd8 {1} 30. Ra1 {8} Kh8 {2} 31. Rad1 {6} Kg8 {0} 32. Bf3 {5} Kh8 {1} 33. Kg2
{5} Kg8 {1} 34. Rfe1 {3} Kh8 {1} 35. Be2 {3} Kg8 {1} 36. Rb1 {3} Kh8 {1} 37.
Rb3 {2} Kg8 {1} 38. Ra1 {2} Kh8 {1} 39. Qd1 {2} Kg8 {1} 40. Rb2 {1} Kh8 {1} 41.
Ra3 {1} Kg8 {1} 42. Rba2 {1} Kh8 {1} 43. Bf3 {1} Kg8 {1} 44. Rd3 {1} Kh8 {1}
45. Be2 {1} Kg8 {1} 46. Qb3 {0} Kh8 {1} 47. Rb2 {0} Kg8 {1} 48. Rd1 {0} Kh8 {1}
49. Bd3 {0} Kg8 {1} 50. Re2 {0} Kh8 {1} 51. Qb2 {0} Kg8 {1} 52. Kg1 {0} Ra8 {1}
53. Nxa8 {0} Qxa8 {1} 54. Qc3 {0} Qa7 {1} 55. Rc2 {0} Kh8 {1} 56. Kg2 {0} Kg8 {
1} 57. Be2 {0} Kh8 {1} 58. Ra2 {0} Kg8 {1} 59. Qc2 {0} Kh8 {1} 60. Qd3 {0} Kg8
{1} 61. Bf3 {0} Rh7 {1} 62. Nxh7 {0} Kxh7 {0} 63. Rf2 {0} Kh6 {1} 64. Rfd2 {0}
Kh7 {1} 65. Re1 {0} Kh6 {1} 66. Rf2 {0} Kh7 {1} 67. Rc1 {0} Kh6 {1 '} 68. Rd1 {
0} Bd7 {1} 69. Rfd2 {0} Qa8 {1} 70. Rf2 {0} Qa7 {1} 71. Rc2 {0} N8h7 {1} 72.
Rcd2 {0} Nf8 {1} 73. Rf2 {0} N6h7 {1} 74. Rc2 {0} Kg7 {1} 75. Rf2 {0} Nf6 {1}
76. Ra2 {0} N8h7 {1} 77. Rad2 {0} Ng4 {1} 78. Bxg4 {0} hxg4 {0} 79. Rh1 {0} Nf6
{0} 80. Ra2 {0} Nh5 {0} 81. Rd1 {0} Qa8 {1} 82. Rf2 {0} Qd8 {1} 83. Rh1 {0} Qe8
{1} 84. Rd1 {0} Kh7 {1} 85. Rfd2 {0} Kh6 {0} 86. Rf2 {0} Kh7 {0} 87. Rc2 {0}
Kh6 {0} 88. Rcd2 {0} Kh7 {0} 89. Re1 {0} Kh6 {0} 90. Rc1 {0} Kh7 {1} 91. Rf1 {0
} Kh6 {0} 92. Re1 {0} Kg7 {1} 93. Red1 {0} Kf6 {1} 94. Re1 {0} Ke7 {0} 95. Red1
{0} Kd8 {1} 96. Rc2 {0} Kc8 {0} 97. Rcd2 {0} Kb8 {1} 98. Rb2 {0} Ka8 {0} 99.
Rf2 {0} Ka7 {1} 100. Rb2 {0} Ka8 {1} 101. Rc2 {0} Ka7 {1} 102. Rf2 {0} Ng7 {1}
103. Rb2 {0} Nh5 {1} 104. Qf1 {0} Qe7 {1} 105. Qd3 {0} Qe8 {1} 106. Rc2 {0} Ka8
{0} 107. Rb1 {0} Kb8 {1} 108. b5 {0} cxb5 {1} 109. Rcb2 {0} Bc6 {0} 110. Rh1 {0
} Ka7 {1} 111. Rd1 {0} Qd7 {1} 112. Re1 {0} Ka8 {1} 113. Rd1 {0} Kb8 {1 Time
(Lag: Av=0.43s, max=6.0s)} 0-1

[/pgn]

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[Uri Blass]

I do not know if there is a top engine that can practically find f4 today,

[D] 2r5/4r1k1/1qb1p1p1/3pPpPp/p1pP3K/PpP2NP1/1P6/R1BB4 b - -

Houdini 4 (8192 MB)

16/51 0:02 -6.95 127...f4 128.gxf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Qf8 130.Be3 Rf7 131.Kg3 h4+ 132.Nxh4 Bd7 133.Rh1 Qh8 134.Nf5+ Rxf5 135.Rxh8 Rxh8 136.Bg4 Rf7 137.Bg1 Rh1 138.Kg2 Rxf4 139.Bh3 Rxh3 140.Kxh3 Rf1 (68.159.062) 32721

See, not that hard. Only took 2 seconds.

You must be joking, he obviously didn't clear the hash.

Hello Milos.
Of course you gave me the ultimate compliment so thanks Milos.
Since I always reboot between test positions, I know hash was cleared.
I assume you know why I reboot.
Let me ask you this, At what time does f4 have to show for you to believe that the hash was cleared? Is 1 minute ok? 2 minutes ok? 30 seconds ok? you tell me then I will show you something, be honest with me and I will show you.

I can have f4 start anytime with a clear hash, your post tells me you don't know how. I do.




[D] 2r5/4r1k1/1qb1p1p1/3pPpPp/p1pP3K/PpP2NP1/1P6/R1BB4 b - -

also I can get f4 to post first and stay without variation after a reboot. I will do it in the last analysis

here is another after a reboot

14/26 0:01 -9.27 127...f4 128.gxf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Qf8 130.Kg3 Rb7 131.Nh4 Qf7 (34.576.052) 22264
15/31 0:01 -9.15 127...f4 128.gxf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Qf8 130.Kg3 Rf7 131.Be3 Qe7 (34.942.781) 22185
16/31 0:02 -9.10 127...f4 128.gxf4 Qd8 (47.749.040) 22095
16/31 0:02 -9.14 127...Qd8 128.Bf4 Kh8 129.Be2 Re8 130.Kh3 Bb7 (53.547.882) 22145
17/34 0:02 -9.12 127...Qd8 128.Bf4 Kh8 (59.431.756) 22019
18/37 0:03 -8.98 127...Qd8 (75.254.628) 21825
18/37 0:03 -8.98 127...Rb7 128.Bf4 Kh8 (86.251.704) 21693
19/37 0:04 -8.98 127...Rb7 128.Bf4 Kh8 (92.677.555) 21448
20/39 0:07 -8.78 127...Rb7 128.Bf4 Be8 (164.318.392) 21085
21/39 0:11 -8.42-- 127...Rb7 128.Bf4 (250.276.834) 20906
21/39 0:17 -7.69-- 127...Rb7 128.Bf4 (362.087.726) 20983
21/69 0:30 -5.63-- 127...Rb7 128.Bf4 (627.704.142) 20596
21/69 0:59 -7.97 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rh8 129.Be3 Qd8 (1.159.273.802) 19633
22/69 1:00 -7.64-- 127...f4 128.gxf4 (1.185.993.175) 19608
22/69 1:06 -6.98-- 127...f4 128.gxf4 (1.294.805.881) 19595
22/75 1:28 -6.85 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rh8 129.Kg3 h4+ (1.725.862.886) 19460
23/75 1:32 -6.89 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rh8 129.Kg3 h4+ (1.795.178.493) 19500
24/75 1:49 -7.18++ 127...f4 (2.138.435.560) 19477
24/75 1:51 -7.75++ 127...f4 (2.162.090.010) 19450

and here is another after a reboot

15/25 0:00 -9.29 127...Ree8 128.Bf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Ba8 130.Kh3 Kf7 (18.442.634) 20933
16/32 0:01 -9.15 127...Ree8 128.Bf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Ba8 130.Kh3 Rb8 131.Rf1 h4 (31.552.241) 21105
16/33 0:02 -9.21 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be3 Ref7 130.Kg3 Qb7 (46.567.312) 20938
17/33 0:02 -9.09 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be3 Ref7 130.Kg3 Qb7 131.Rc1 Qc7 (47.621.098) 20813
18/38 0:03 -8.88 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be3 Be8 130.Be2 Qb7 131.Rh1 Bf7 132.Bf1 Bg8 (77.547.396) 20723
18/38 0:04 -9.08 127...Ree8 128.Bf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Ba8 130.Kh3 h4 131.Nxh4 Rh8 (85.244.214) 20821
19/38 0:05 -9.07 127...Ree8 128.Bf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Qe7 130.Kh3 h4 (110.688.212) 20967
20/38 0:06 -9.06 127...Ree8 128.Bf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Qe7 (134.982.568) 20979
21/38 0:08 -9.05 127...Ree8 128.Bf4 Qd8 (169.435.035) 21019
22/40 0:14 -8.68-- 127...Ree8 128.Bf4 (290.674.847) 20551
22/42 0:19 -8.73 127...Qb7 128.Bf4 Kf8 129.Be2 Ke8 (388.594.918) 20386
23/42 0:25 -8.69 127...Qb7 128.Bf4 Kf8 129.Be2 Ke8 (512.808.530) 20167
24/47 0:42 -8.33-- 127...Qb7 128.Bf4 (839.207.953) 19975
24/52 1:08 -7.91 127...Qb7 128.Bf4 Kf8 129.Be2 Ke8 (1.351.507.781) 19811
25/81 1:39 -7.80 127...Qb7 128.Bf4 Kf8 129.Be2 Ke8 (1.961.181.999) 19636
26/81 2:01 -7.48-- 127...Qb7 128.Bf4 (2.398.013.502) 19678
26/81 2:08 -8.12++ 127...f4 (2.514.976.983) 19581
26/81 3:03 -7.48-- 127...f4 128.gxf4 (3.521.907.179) 19189
26/81 4:35 -7.48 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be3 Qd8 130.Kg3 Rf5 (5.231.057.614) 18986

here is the f4 all the way through after a reboot

16/36 0:01 -8.50-- 127...f4 128.gxf4 (20.358.328) 19333
16/38 0:01 -7.77-- 127...f4 128.gxf4 (36.360.085) 19814
16/41 0:02 -7.60 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be2 Be8 (50.414.233) 19973
17/41 0:02 -7.29-- 127...f4 128.gxf4 (56.891.535) 20174
17/55 0:03 -7.01 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be2 Qc7 (69.591.192) 20253
18/55 0:03 -7.31++ 127...f4 (71.840.818) 20357
18/55 0:04 -6.73 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be3 Qc7 (83.526.542) 20273
19/55 0:04 -7.01++ 127...f4 (95.283.100) 20333
19/55 0:04 -7.58++ 127...f4 (95.382.494) 20315
19/58 0:06 -6.61 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be3 Bb7 (132.267.795) 19753
20/58 0:07 -6.52 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be3 Be8 (157.587.285) 19819
21/58 0:09 -6.79++ 127...f4 (188.435.260) 19843
21/58 0:09 -7.33++ 127...f4 (194.105.332) 19768
21/58 0:10 -6.59 127...f4 128.gxf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Qf8 (204.557.960) 19701
22/58 0:12 -6.32-- 127...f4 128.gxf4 (236.951.360) 19699
22/58 0:12 -6.35 127...f4 128.gxf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Qf8 (254.615.173) 19779
23/58 0:14 -6.46 127...f4 128.gxf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Qf8 (284.384.901) 19687
24/59 0:15 -6.73++ 127...f4 (305.533.914) 19628
24/72 0:24 -6.19-- 127...f4 128.gxf4 (468.709.335) 19258
24/79 0:38 -6.15 127...f4 128.gxf4 Qd8 129.Be2 Qf8 (736.588.436) 19091
25/79 0:56 -5.90-- 127...f4 128.gxf4 (1.072.511.655) 19116
25/79 1:10 -6.40++ 127...f4 (1.345.809.641) 19075
25/79 1:13 -6.91++ 127...f4 (1.395.915.405) 18988
25/83 1:58 -5.71 127...f4 128.gxf4 Rf8 129.Be2 Qd8 (2.224.912.483) 18777

Now do you want me to show you how to get f4 to start at 10 minutes, 30 minutes, not show at all.
Milos if you dont know the limits of your race car, you are giving up a lot of potential.
Of course I am limited because I am not a programmer, but when I first purchase a program, I spend a lot of time learning
what I have to work with.
kgburcham

I did not purchase Houdini4 but I think that if you do not use the default version for analysis then you should at least say it.

I know that you can get f4 relatively fast if you reduce the value of the fifty move parameter to non default small value
giving analysis of houdini with this change without mentioning that you
used non default parameter is misleading in case that you did it.

[Father]

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Stockfish 290114 64 SSE4.2 * Policja - Polizei * (4 cores): 18.9
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[pgn][Event "Rated game, 5 min"]
[Site "Engine Room"]
[Date "2014.01.30"]
[Round "?"]
[White "SOLIDOR"]
[Black "Grand-father"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A85"]
[WhiteElo "2447"]
[BlackElo "1924"]
[PlyCount "116"]
[EventDate "2014.01.30"]
[TimeControl "300"]

1. Nf3 {B 1} d5 {3} 2. d4 {B 1} e6 {1} 3. c4 {B 1} c6 {1} 4. e3 {B 1} f5 {1} 5.
Nc3 {B 1} Nf6 {1} 6. Bd3 {B 1} Bd6 {1} 7. O-O {B 1} O-O {1} 8. b3 {B 1} Re8 {1}
9. Bb2 {0.67/19 5} Qe7 {3 (Se4)} 10. Qc2 {0.70/22 17} g6 {2 (Se4)} 11. Ne5 {0.
69/22 12} Nbd7 {2} 12. f4 {0.66/23 8} a6 {1 (Se4)} 13. Be2 {0.87/22 14} Qd8 {
3 (Gc7)} 14. c5 {0.81/20 5} Bc7 {1 (Ge7)} 15. Qd1 {0.83/24 13} Re7 {2 (Sxe5)}
16. Qe1 {1.01/24 9} Rg7 {1 (Sxe5)} 17. Nf3 {0.69/22 17} Qe7 {3 (Se4)} 18. Rc1 {
0.78/22 25} Ng4 {2 (Se4)} 19. Qd2 {0.83/21 14} Ngf6 {2} 20. Bd3 {0.77/21 4} Kh8
{3 (Se4)} 21. Qe2 {0.92/19 12} Kg8 {1 (Se4)} 22. g3 {0.81/21 7} Kh8 {1 (Se4)}
23. Qc2 {0.95/19 9} Kg8 {1 (Se4)} 24. Be2 {0.87/22 15} Kh8 {2 (Se4)} 25. Ra1 {
1.03/20 10} Kg8 {3 (b6)} 26. b4 {1.04/20 12} Nb8 {6 (b6)} 27. a4 {1.37/18 3}
Bd7 {2 (Sbd7)} 28. b5 {1.45/18 7} Be8 {3 (Ga5)} 29. b6 {1.60/17 2} Bd8 {1} 30.
Nd1 {1.46/19 1} Qd7 {5 (Sbd7)} 31. Nf2 {1.56/19 3} Qe7 {1} 32. Nd3 {1.46/19 4}
Ng4 {2 (h6)} 33. Qc1 {1.46/19 5} Nf6 {2 (Sd7)} 34. Qe1 {1.43/20 2} Ne4 {1
(Sbd7)} 35. Bc3 {1.27/20 9} Nf6 {2 (Sd7)} 36. Bb4 {1.50/19 4} Ng4 {2 (Sbd7)}
37. Bd1 {1.53/19 4} Nf6 {1 (Sd7)} 38. Bc2 {1.40/20 8} Ne4 {1 (Sbd7)} 39. a5 {
1.29/19 6} Nf6 {1 (Sd7)} 40. Qe2 {1.60/18 4} Ng4 {1 (Sbd7)} 41. Nfe5 {1.94/18 3
} Nf6 {1 (Sxe5)} 42. Qg2 {1.54/15 2} Kh8 {2 (Sbd7)} 43. Nf3 {1.60/17 3} Ng4 {
3 (Sbd7)} 44. Rae1 {1.87/17 2} Nf6 {1 (Sd7)} 45. Nf2 {1.81/19 2} Kg8 {1 (Sbd7)}
46. g4 {1.87/17 1} Kf7 {1 (Sbd7)} 47. g5 {2.35/14 1} Nh5 {4 (Se4)} 48. Nd3 {2.
78/15 1} Kg8 {1 (Sd7)} 49. Nde5 {2.55/18 2} Qf8 {8 (Sd7)} 50. Qd2 {2.45/18 1}
Kh8 {1} 51. Nd3 {2.42/23 1} Kg8 {2 (Ge7)} 52. Rc1 {2.48/16 1} Kh8 {1 (Sd7)} 53.
Bb3 {2.42/17 1} Kg8 {2 (Sd7)} 54. Nde5 {2.58/14 1} Kh8 {2 (Sd7)} 55. Bd1 {2.46/
15 1} Kg8 {1 (Ge7)} 56. Bc3 {2.72/12 1} Rd7 {5 ' (Sd7)} 57. Nxd7 {4.11/10 1}
Nxd7 {1} 58. Qg2 {3.94/22 1 .} Kg7 {3 (Ge7) Czas (Lag: Av=0.58s, max=1.2s)}
0-1

[/pgn]

[Father]

Grand-father - Alexander3 ½-2½ Deep Fritz 14 (4 cores): 15.9 plies; 4.063kN/s AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor 3400MHz

[pgn][Event "Rated game, 5 min"]
[Site "Engine Room"]
[Date "2014.01.30"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Alexander3"]
[Black "Grand-father"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A84"]
[WhiteElo "2268"]
[BlackElo "1953"]
[PlyCount "238"]
[EventDate "2014.01.30"]
[TimeControl "300"]

1. d4 {B 0} d5 {1} 2. c4 {B 0} e6 {1} 3. Nc3 {B 0} f5 {1} 4. Nf3 {B 0} c6 {1}
5. Bf4 {B 0} Nf6 {1} 6. e3 {B 0} Bd6 {1} 7. Bd3 {B 0} O-O {2} 8. O-O {B 0} Re8
{1} 9. Ne2 {0.53/18 14} g6 {3 (Le7)} 10. h3 {0.62/17 12} Qe7 {1 (dxc4)} 11. Qb3
{0.53/18 24} Nbd7 {4 (a5)} 12. a4 {0.54/17 9} Nf8 {2 (a5)} 13. a5 {0.70/17 16}
a6 {2 (S8d7)} 14. Bxd6 {0.83/17 8} Qxd6 {3} 15. Nf4 {0.91/19 4} Re7 {47 (S8d7)}
16. c5 {0.96/17 10} Qc7 {2} 17. Bc2 {0.88/18 4} Bd7 {3 (S8d7)} 18. Qb4 {0.74/
16 8} Be8 {0} 19. Nd3 {0.67/18 6} Kg7 {1 (S8d7)} 20. Qa3 {0.76/16 6} Kg8 {2
(S8d7)} 21. Rfe1 {0.67/17 5} Kg7 {1 (S8d7)} 22. Qc3 {0.76/16 5} Kg8 {1 (S8d7)}
23. Qd2 {14} Kg7 {0.70/18 0 (S8d7)} 24. Qb4 {0.74/17 6} Kg8 {1 (S8d7)} 25. Ra3
{0.78/18 4} Kg7 {1 (S8d7)} 26. Rb3 {0.76/17 5} Kg8 {1 (Tb8)} 27. Nf4 {0.76/17 5
} Kg7 {1 (Tb8)} 28. Bd1 {0.77/15 4} Kg8 {1 (Tb8)} 29. Be2 {0.76/17 4} Kg7 {1
(Tg7)} 30. Ra1 {0.87/17 5} Kg8 {2 (h6)} 31. Rd1 {0.82/16 5} Kg7 {1 (Se4)} 32.
Re1 {0.78/17 11} Kg8 {1 (h6)} 33. Ra1 {0.83/16 4} Kg7 {1 (h6)} 34. Raa3 {0.80/
16 4} Kg8 {1 (h6)} 35. Qb6 {0.86/17 4} Qxb6 {2 (h6)} 36. Rxb6 {0.72/18 4} Ra7 {
1 (Se4)} 37. Rab3 {0.84/19 7} Kg7 {1 (Se4)} 38. g3 {0.75/16 2} Rc7 {1 (h6)} 39.
Kg2 {0.70/17 2} Kg8 {7 (h6)} 40. Bd1 {0.76/15 2} Bd7 {1 (h6)} 41. Bc2 {0.91/15
2} Kg7 {1 (Lc8)} 42. Ra3 {0.74/15 2} Bc8 {1 (h6)} 43. Ra1 {0.86/17 2} Kg8 {1
(Te7)} 44. Rb3 {0.82/15 2} Kg7 {0 (Te7)} 45. Rh1 {0.82/15 2} Kg8 {1 (Te7)} 46.
h4 {1.13/16 1} h5 {3 (Te7)} 47. Bd1 {1.07/14 1} Rg7 {1 (Te7)} 48. Rc3 {0.99/15
2} Kh8 {1 (Te7)} 49. Ba4 {1.13/15 2} Kg8 {1 (Sg4)} 50. Re1 {1.10/16 2} Kh8 {1
(Sg4)} 51. Rcc1 {1.12/15 3} Kg8 {1 (Sg4)} 52. Ra1 {1.02/16 4} Kh8 {1 (Sg4)} 53.
b4 {1.18/15 3} Kg8 {1} 54. Rec1 {1.09/15 1} Ra8 {0} 55. Bd1 {1.07/16 0} Bd7 {
1 (Sg4)} 56. Be2 {1.08/13 1} Be8 {0 (Sg4)} 57. Re1 {0.79/13 1} Kh8 {0 (Te7)}
58. Ne5 {0.84/13 1} Kg8 {2 (S6d7)} 59. Bd1 {0.79/12 1} Kh8 {1 (Te7)} 60. Bc2 {
1.03/12 1} Kg8 {0} 61. f3 {1.04/14 0} N6d7 {4 (Te7)} 62. Ned3 {0.98/16 1} Bf7 {
4 (Te7)} 63. Nh3 {0.84/14 1} Be8 {4 (Te8)} 64. Ng5 {1.03/15 1} Nf6 {1} 65. Nf4
{0.98/17 0} Bd7 {1 (Te7)} 66. e4 {1.26/14 1} N6h7 {6 (dxe4)} 67. exf5 {1.10/15
1} exf5 {7} 68. Ngh3 {0.90/19 0} Re8 {3 (Sf6)} 69. Rxe8 {1.31/16 0} Bxe8 {1}
70. Re1 {1.30/18 0} Bd7 {2 (Sf6)} 71. Nf2 {1.31/17 1} Nf6 {2} 72. Ba4 {1.20/18
0} Kh7 {1 (g5)} 73. N2d3 {1.09/16 1} Kg8 {1 (Kh6)} 74. Kg1 {1.30/15 1} Kf7 {1
(Kh7)} 75. Re3 {1.30/16 1} Kg8 {0} 76. Kf2 {1.09/15 0} Kh7 {1} 77. Kg2 {0.98/
16 0} Kg8 {1 (Sg8)} 78. Re1 {1.10/15 1} Kh7 {0} 79. Nh3 {1.01/17 0} Kg8 {1
(Kh6)} 80. Ndf4 {0.99/17 1} Kh8 {1 (Kh7)} 81. Bc2 {1.04/15 1} Kg8 {1 (Kh7)} 82.
Re2 {1.01/15 1} Kh8 {0 (Se8)} 83. Ng5 {1.06/15 1} Kg8 {1 (S6h7)} 84. Bb3 {1.12/
16 1} Kh8 {1 (S8h7)} 85. Re3 {1.10/15 0} Kg8 {2} 86. Kf2 {1.05/18 0} Kh8 {1
(Lc8)} 87. Bc2 {1.08/15 1} Kg8 {0} 88. Re1 {1.04/17 0} Kh8 {1 (S8h7)} 89. Ba4 {
1.06/16 1} Kg8 {1 (S6h7)} 90. Ngh3 {1.01/16 1} Kh8 {0 (S6h7)} 91. Re2 {1.08/17
1} Kg8 {0} 92. Kg2 {0.97/17 0} Kh8 {0 (Kh7)} 93. Bc2 {1.06/15 1} Kg8 {0 (Se8)}
94. Bd3 {0.94/16 1} Kh8 {0 (Kh7)} 95. Ng5 {0.86/16 1} Kg8 {1 (S6h7)} 96. Re3 {
1.04/16 1} Kh8 {1 (S8h7)} 97. Bc2 {1.06/15 0} Kg8 {0 (Se8)} 98. Bb3 {1.04/16 1}
Kh8 {2 (S8h7)} 99. Ba4 {0.97/16 1} Kg8 {2 (S6h7)} 100. Bd1 {0.94/15 0} Kh8 {1
(Se8)} 101. Kf2 {0.98/16 1} Kg8 {0} 102. Bc2 {0.88/18 0} Kh8 {1 (Se8)} 103. Re2
{0.98/15 0} Kg8 {0 (S6h7)} 104. Bb3 {0.92/16 0} Kh8 {1 (Le8)} 105. Re1 {0.98/
16 0} Kg8 {0 (Lc8)} 106. Kg2 {0.93/15 0} Kh8 {0 (S8h7)} 107. Re5 {0.96/15 0}
Kg8 {0 (S6h7)} 108. Ba2 {0.93/15 0} Kh8 {1 (Le8)} 109. Bb1 {0.91/15 0} Kg8 {0
(S6h7)} 110. Bc2 {0.81/17 0} Kh8 {1 (S6h7)} 111. Ba4 {0.93/15 0} Kg8 {1 (S6h7)}
112. Bb3 {0.93/14 0} Kh8 {1} 113. Ba2 {0.81/17 0} Kg8 {1 (S6h7)} 114. Re3 {0.
90/14 0} Kh8 {1 (Le8)} 115. Re1 {0.83/14 0} Kg8 {1 (Le8)} 116. Ngh3 {0.80/15 0}
Kh8 {1 (Le8)} 117. Bb1 {0.30/12 0} Kg8 {0 (Se8)} 118. Ng5 {0.14/14 0} Kh8 {0
(Se8)} 119. Nd3 {0.00/14 0} Kg8 {1 (Lc8) (Lag: Av=0.59s, max=1.6s)} 1/2-1/2

[/pgn]

[duncan]

Note that draws against weaker player may be not because of bad evaluation function but because the program does not know that it is playing against a weaker player and I can accept it if the evaluation is close to draw during all the game but the game of pablo is not a case like that because stockfish evaluates the drawn position as a clear advantage for black.

I believe that it is possible to fix the evaluation without doing the program weaker against chess programs.
I do not claim to know how to do it.

would it weaken the program against chess programs if you tell it something like that if it is ahead and danger of draw because of 50 move rule, then sacrifice a piece if (a)it means that you can move to 7th or 8th rank and (b)you will still be ahead.

duncan

[Richard Allbert]

I am sure pablo could draw even with increment and no premove

Good for you. As long as you're sure. We've never seen a single game without premove and with an inc. All we see are blocked positions and engines losing on time.

What makes it worse is all the "fight to the machines" self greatness that is claimed - usually it is assigned by others.

One win with 5min + 2s or similar would be very impressive, and I think for many here would much more of a feat than blocking the position and winning on time.

I would really enjoy seeing a genuine 5 + 2, 3 + 1, 2+12 (or whatever) win.

[Father]

February 4 2014

Stockfish 030214 64 SSE4.2 Syz (6 cores): 25.2 plies; 6.685kN/s AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor 3520MHz

Innovation. The sentinel horse. ...Innovation. The sentinel horse. What is the best place to stay a horse in the game of chess? The best place is the manger, motionless, active, vigilant, awake winner.

Innovation. The sentinel horse. What is the best place to stay a horse in the game of chess? The best place is the manger, motionless, active, vigilant, awake winner. The Roman empire against Spartacus.

[D]2br1rk1/5npp/1p2qp2/pP1p2P1/P1pPpP1P/2P1P3/6R1/1N1BRQK1 b - - 0 32[D]

[pgn][Event "Rated game, 5 min"]
[Site "Engine Room"]
[Date "2014.02.04"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Grand-father"]
[Black "Sparta 300"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D00"]
[WhiteElo "1957"]
[BlackElo "2502"]
[PlyCount "63"]
[EventDate "2014.02.04"]
[TimeControl "300"]

1. d4 {2} Nf6 {B 0} 2. e3 {0} d5 {B 0} 3. c3 {1} e6 {B 0} 4. f4 {1} c5 {0} 5.
Nf3 {B 0} Nc6 {0} 6. a3 {B 0} Bd6 {B 0} 7. b4 {1} b6 {B 0} 8. Bd3 {2} O-O {B 0}
9. O-O {2} Bb7 {B 0} 10. Bb2 {2} c4 {-0.53/22 9} 11. Bc2 {3} a5 {-0.53/24 0}
12. b5 {4 (Se5)} Ne7 {6} 13. a4 {-0.39/25 0} Nf5 {6} 14. Re1 {-0.16/25 0} Ng4 {
-0.08/25 11} 15. Bc1 {6} Rc8 {-0.13/25 3} 16. Re2 {2 (Se5)} Nh4 {-0.05/24 15}
17. Nxh4 {7 (Se5)} Qxh4 {5} 18. g3 {-0.07/25 0 (h3)} Qh5 {-0.40/25 9} 19. Rg2 {
7 (Sd2)} Qh3 {-0.48/26 19} 20. Qf3 {8 (Te2)} f6 {-0.47/25 11} 21. Re2 {4 (Ld1)}
Nh6 {-0.65/27 12} 22. Ba3 {5 (Dg2)} Bxa3 {-0.71/24 5} 23. Nxa3 {1} e5 {-0.72/
28 0} 24. Rae1 {3 (Ld1)} Qe6 {-0.81/24 20} 25. Nb1 {4 (Dg2)} e4 {-0.81/24 3}
26. Qf1 {2 (Dg2)} Rce8 {-0.91/25 6} 27. Rg2 {1 (Ld1)} Bc8 {-0.84/23 5} 28. Bd1
{2} Ng4 {-0.77/25 2} 29. h3 {11 (Sa3)} Nh6 {-0.82/23 4} 30. g4 {5} Nf7 {-0.80/
30 0} 31. h4 {9 (Ta2)} Rd8 {-0.82/30 19} 32. g5 {11 (f5) Sparta 300,Stockfish
030214 64 gibt auf (Lag: Av=5.40s, max=20.0s)} 1-0

[/pgn]

Man versus Machine

Innovation. The sentinel horse. What is the best place to stay a horse in the game of chess? The best place is the manger, motionless, active, vigilant, awake winner. The Roman empire against Spartacus. Man versus machine. The fight continues.

Best regards,

Father @ Grand-Father playchess.com user