Ok...this challenge is ended in favor for Stockfish too !
To be honest,
I expected better results by Nakamura+Rybka+book vs Stockfish+no book
But it seems Nakamura was not so lucky...and congrats to Stockfish team !
Btw,
Right now I am considering to create a well-optimized book against Stockfish+no book
I plan to run a test: Rybka 3 + book vs Stockfish 5 + without book
The planning test conditions:
i7 980 3.33 GHz / i7 970 3.20 GHz
Time control: 3m+2s per game
MP testing (6 cores)
Ponder OFF
512 MB Hash
Tablebases OFF
More Details:
I preferred blitz due to we will have possibility to see more played games
And more games that means more accurate Elo measuring !
Note also that the difference between blitz and slow time control is approx. 50-100 Elo
With neutral short books, the Elo difference is between R3+SF 5 is approx. 200 Elo
To see the final results, probably it will take more than one month period of time
And who knows,
If I will be successful...then I expect to see Rybka 3 to have almost same performance as Stockfish 5
Plus, my new optimized opening book can be used in the future, in case of similar challenges too ))
Best,
Sedat
Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
Good luck Sedat but I doubt an opening book will help Rybka that much, Stockfish is decent in the opening.
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
Game 3:
[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2014.08.24"]
[Round "?"]
[White "GM Hikaru Nakamura"]
[Black "Stockfish"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[TimeControl ""]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/ppppppp1/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "63"]
[WhiteType ""]
[BlackType ""]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nc3 Nc6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 e5 6. Ndb5 d6 7. Nd5 Nxd5
8. exd5 Ne7 9. c4 Nf5 10. Bd3 Bd7 11. Bxf5 Bxf5 12. Qa4 Bd7 13. Qb4 Qb8 14.
Be3 a6 15. Nc3 b5 16. cxb5 Bxb5 17. Nxb5 Qxb5 18. Qxb5+ axb5 19. Ke2 Kd7
20. b3 Be7 21. a4 bxa4 22. Rxa4 Rhc8 23. Rha1 Rab8 24. Rc4 Rc7 25. Rxc7+
Kxc7 26. Ra7+ Kd8 27. Bd2 Rxb3 28. Ba5+ Ke8 29. Ra8+ Kd7 30. Ra7+ Ke8 31.
Ra8+ Kd7 32. Ra7+ 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
Source: http://youtu.be/_ue_woDfr9A?list=UUCDOQ ... TCKzqarxLg
[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2014.08.24"]
[Round "?"]
[White "GM Hikaru Nakamura"]
[Black "Stockfish"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[TimeControl ""]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/ppppppp1/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "63"]
[WhiteType ""]
[BlackType ""]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nc3 Nc6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 e5 6. Ndb5 d6 7. Nd5 Nxd5
8. exd5 Ne7 9. c4 Nf5 10. Bd3 Bd7 11. Bxf5 Bxf5 12. Qa4 Bd7 13. Qb4 Qb8 14.
Be3 a6 15. Nc3 b5 16. cxb5 Bxb5 17. Nxb5 Qxb5 18. Qxb5+ axb5 19. Ke2 Kd7
20. b3 Be7 21. a4 bxa4 22. Rxa4 Rhc8 23. Rha1 Rab8 24. Rc4 Rc7 25. Rxc7+
Kxc7 26. Ra7+ Kd8 27. Bd2 Rxb3 28. Ba5+ Ke8 29. Ra8+ Kd7 30. Ra7+ Ke8 31.
Ra8+ Kd7 32. Ra7+ 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
Source: http://youtu.be/_ue_woDfr9A?list=UUCDOQ ... TCKzqarxLg
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
Hello Leto,Leto wrote:Good luck Sedat but I doubt an opening book will help Rybka that much, Stockfish is decent in the opening.
Let's see... ) the time will show up !
I strongly believe that the used opening lines will play a big role for Rybka 3
And normally my goal is to reach almost same performance,
But at least I think that I can reduce from 200 Elo to 100 Elo difference
Best,
Sedat
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
EDIT: the time control will be 3 minutes per game
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
Can't wait to see the results. I'm sure Nakamura was practicing against Stockfish without opening book but perhaps he didn't have enough time to prepare. Perhaps you'll be able to find its weaknesses.Sedat Canbaz wrote:Hello Leto,Leto wrote:Good luck Sedat but I doubt an opening book will help Rybka that much, Stockfish is decent in the opening.
Let's see... ) the time will show up !
I strongly believe that the used opening lines will play a big role for Rybka 3
And normally my goal is to reach almost same performance,
But at least I think that I can reduce from 200 Elo to 100 Elo difference
Best,
Sedat
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
I am not a GM, but I have some experience in book making...Leto wrote:Can't wait to see the results. I'm sure Nakamura was practicing against Stockfish without opening book but perhaps he didn't have enough time to prepare. Perhaps you'll be able to find its weaknesses.Sedat Canbaz wrote:Hello Leto,Leto wrote:Good luck Sedat but I doubt an opening book will help Rybka that much, Stockfish is decent in the opening.
Let's see... ) the time will show up !
I strongly believe that the used opening lines will play a big role for Rybka 3
And normally my goal is to reach almost same performance,
But at least I think that I can reduce from 200 Elo to 100 Elo difference
Best,
Sedat
Even there is possibility Rybka to be performed better than Stockfish
Of course to reach such successful results...much more hard work is required...!!
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
Nakamura could have drawn all four, but he prodded and pushed, looking for wins that were not there. Respect to Naka!
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
Here is the Chess.Com article about the event.
http://www.chess.com/news/stockfish-out ... amura-3634
http://www.chess.com/news/stockfish-out ... amura-3634
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
I don't think he had any chance to draw the match ...rcmaddox wrote:Nakamura could have drawn all four, but he prodded and pushed, looking for wins that were not there. Respect to Naka!
I find it highly unlikely that in a perhaps historically significant match of man vs machine...he had chances to draw against a 3300 engine (possibly proving human can be equal to a machine), and simply threw them away.
If that's true, he's either incredibly conceited or a complete idiot...(both of which I doubt)