No chance

[Alexander Schmidt]

also don't tell me Bf2 was not from Lyudmil.
Look here.....

On Ne3, Rd2 Nf5 Rh7, followed by Bg4 wins, while on Na3 - same Bf2.


He initially proposed 26.Bf2 on 25...Nxa3.

Come on, it was some smalltalk about different variations and not in the mainline...

[George Tsavdaris]

is this the correct line?
Are these the correct positions?
this thread is not clear and no analysis.
Lyudmil does not show program analysis with clear lines.
I think these type of threads are showing a pattern and I think it is called fishing, and it is working for some.

Look the game from the beginning.
Every final move from black in the variations is covering the best response to the suggestions of Lyudmil.

He actually suggests now as main line 26.Bd2 so white should find a win after 26.Bd2 Nc2
But the 26.Bf2 line he suggested as winning in december, is interesting too and i have put as variations the moves for white as he said today.

I haven't found any win for now for white. But i'm not and the one who said there is one.


[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2015.03.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Lyudmil Tsvetkov "]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "User"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r4rk1/1b2bp1p/1q2p1p1/3pPnP1/p1pP2Q1/PpP1PN1R/1P5P/R1BB3K w - - 0 17"]
[PlyCount "24"]

17. Bd2 Rab8 18. Be2 Bc6 19. Be1 Nxe3 20. Qf4 Nc2 21. Rd1 Kg7 22. Qf6+ Bxf6 23.gxf6+ Kg8 24. Ng5 h6 25. Rxh6 Nxa3 $1 (25... Rb7 $2 26. Bf2 $1 {It's over!!!!1-0}) 26. Bf2 (26. Bd2 Nc2 $1) 26... Qa5 $1 27. Rh3 $1 (27. Kg2 Qxc3 $1) (27.Rg1 Qxc3) (27. Be1 Nc2) 27... Nb5 $1 28. Rg1 Nd6 *

does Lyudmil say this is a mate in 8 from this position?

He was close to say that, but i think he meant white has a forced win by king attack.
Which i can't seem to find there is any.

[Alexander Schmidt]

After 26.Bd2 instead of Bf2 black whould play 26...Nc2 and then white has what? I see nothing for him.
[d]1r3rk1/5p2/1qb1pPpR/3pP1N1/p1pP4/1pP5/1PnBB2P/3R3K w - - 0 27

Nf3
[d]1r3rk1/5p2/1qb1pPpR/3pP3/p1pP4/1pP2N2/1PnBB2P/3R3K b - - 1 27

Still struggling? Time to resign I think

[George Tsavdaris]

[d][d]1r3rk1/5p2/1qb1pPpR/3pP1N1/p1pP4/1pP5/1PnBB2P/3R3K w - - 0 27

I told you, Nf3, Rh4, Bh6-g7, Rh8 mate.

Now we are talking!! Yes this is the correct continuation.
26.Bd2! then is a winning move as it seems now.
So this testposition starts to seem correct.

[kgburcham]

1... Bxf6 2. gxf6+ Kg8 3. Ng5 h6 4. Rxh6 Ne3 5. Rh7 Nxd1

I saw your analysis but what about instead of Nxa3 Ne3 and then
[D] 1r3rk1/5p2/1qb1pPpR/3pP1N1/p1pP4/PpP1n3/1P2B2P/3RB2K w - -

can you get the bishop to g7 like Lyudmil said but he wont post a winning line.

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

1... Bxf6 2. gxf6+ Kg8 3. Ng5 h6 4. Rxh6 Ne3 5. Rh7 Nxd1

I saw your analysis but what about instead of Nxa3 Ne3 and then
[D] 1r3rk1/5p2/1qb1pPpR/3pP1N1/p1pP4/PpP1n3/1P2B2P/3RB2K w - -

can you get the bishop to g7 like Lyudmil said but he wont post a winning line.

I do not need winning lines, I evaluate this position with some 5-6 full pawns white advantage, so I do not need winning lines.

[kgburcham]

[d][d]1r3rk1/5p2/1qb1pPpR/3pP1N1/p1pP4/1pP5/1PnBB2P/3R3K w - - 0 27

I told you, Nf3, Rh4, Bh6-g7, Rh8 mate.

Now we are talking!! Yes this is the correct continuation.
26.Bd2! then is a winning move as it seems now.
So this testposition starts to seem correct.

George lets play it out from your position, you make first white move to mate.
[D] 1r3rk1/5p2/1qb1pPpR/3pP1N1/p1pP4/1pP5/1PnBB2P/3R3K w - -

[kgburcham]

1... Bxf6 2. gxf6+ Kg8 3. Ng5 h6 4. Rxh6 Ne3 5. Rh7 Nxd1

I saw your analysis but what about instead of Nxa3 Ne3 and then
[D] 1r3rk1/5p2/1qb1pPpR/3pP1N1/p1pP4/PpP1n3/1P2B2P/3RB2K w - -

can you get the bishop to g7 like Lyudmil said but he wont post a winning line.

I do not need winning lines, I evaluate this position with some 5-6 full pawns white advantage, so I do not need winning lines.

no not true. you said you had a winning line that was a mate in 8.

if you have a mate you must have a winning line.

[George Tsavdaris]

Now we are talking!! Yes this is the correct continuation.
26.Bd2! then is a winning move as it seems now.
So this testposition starts to seem correct.

George lets play it out from your position, you make first white move to mate.
[D] 1r3rk1/5p2/1qb1pPpR/3pP1N1/p1pP4/1pP5/1PnBB2P/3R3K w - - 27

I play 27.Nf3
[d]1r3rk1/5p2/1qb1pPpR/3pP3/p1pP4/1pP2N2/1PnBB2P/3R3K b - - 0 27

[George Tsavdaris]

1... Bxf6 2. gxf6+ Kg8 3. Ng5 h6 4. Rxh6 Ne3 5. Rh7 Nxd1

I saw your analysis but what about instead of Nxa3 Ne3 and then
[D] 1r3rk1/5p2/1qb1pPpR/3pP1N1/p1pP4/PpP1n3/1P2B2P/3RB2K w - -

can you get the bishop to g7 like Lyudmil said but he wont post a winning line.

I has seen this position today(focused on the 25...Nxa3 26.Bf2 Qa5 line) and thought you have already established 25...Nxa3 was the best.

But as it seems you are right and 25...Ne3 may hold.
There are other moves that seems to be investigated whether they are better for black or not like 24...h6 for example.

So after 25...Ne3 we have 26.Nf3! and let's assume black will take on Rook on d1 with 26...Nxd1

Then: 27.Bxd1
[d]1r3rk1/5p2/1qb1pPpR/3pP3/p1pP4/PpP2N2/1P5P/3BB2K b - - 0 27

Now it is very easy for white to put the Bishop to g7 without having any fear that the black will counterattack on the queenside(what black can do there? Nothing!).
The best plan for black of course is to protect g7(since with a Bishop there white will checkmate with Rh8+) and only the Queen can do that so the best continuation is:
27...Rb7 28.Bd2 Rfb8 29. Rh3
[d]1r4k1/1r3p2/1qb1pPp1/3pP3/p1pP4/PpP2N1R/1P1B3P/3B3K b - - 0 29

And now 29...Qd8 is forced.
And after 30.Bh6 Qf8(forced) 31.Bxf8 Rxf8 we have this:
[d]5rk1/1r3p2/2b1pPp1/3pP3/p1pP4/PpP2N1R/1P5P/3B3K w - - 0 32

Is this a win for white?
Yes is the answer i think. But i only now i'm analyzing this, so i have to analyze it a more.
And it's an incredible position!