Gligoric-Smyslov, 1959

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov
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Gligoric-Smyslov, 1959

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Here a nice position to try your engines:

[d]b2r2k1/2q3bp/1r4p1/p2nPp2/2pP1P2/2P4P/R1B1NQ1K/2B2R2 b - - 1 31

How does Smyslov win?
Or is there actually a win?
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Re: Gligoric-Smyslov, 1959

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Re: Gligoric-Smyslov, 1959

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:Here a nice position to try your engines:

[d]b2r2k1/2q3bp/1r4p1/p2nPp2/2pP1P2/2P4P/R1B1NQ1K/2B2R2 b - - 1 31

How does Smyslov win?
Or is there actually a win?
[pgn]
[Event "Kiev"]
[Site "Kiev"]
[Date "1959.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Svetozar Gligoric"]
[Black "Vasily Smyslov"]
[ECO "D87"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "78"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3
Bg7 7. Bc4 c5 8. Ne2 O-O 9. O-O Nc6 10. Be3 Qc7 11. Rc1 Rd8
12. h3 b6 13. f4 e6 14. Qe1 Bb7 15. Qf2 Na5 16. Bd3 f5 17. e5
c4 18. Bc2 Nc6 19. g4 Ne7 20. Kh2 Qc6 21. Ng3 b5 22. a4 a6
23. Rb1 Rab8 24. Bd2 bxa4 25. Ra1 Ba8 26. Bxa4 Qc7 27. Ra2 Rb6
28. gxf5 exf5 29. Bc1 Nd5 30. Ne2 a5 31. Bc2 Rb3 32. Bxb3 cxb3
33. Ra4 Bf8 34. Bb2 Ne3 35. Rfa1 Nc4 36. Ng3 Be7 37. Nf1 Qc6
38. Rxc4 Qh1+ 39. Kg3 h5 0-1
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Re: Gligoric-Smyslov, 1959

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Here a nice position to try your engines:
you are joking correct?
I tried a program set at strength=1500 and it solved your position.

[d]b2r2k1/2q3bp/1r4p1/p2nPp2/2pP1P2/2P4P/R1B1NQ1K/2B2R2 b - - 1 31
How does Smyslov win?
another easy question to answer.
typical human blunder

before 37.Nf1
[D] b2r2k1/2q1b2p/6p1/p3Pp2/R1nP1P2/1pP3NP/1B3Q1K/R7 w - -
45/67 4:40 0.00 37.Qe2 Bd5 38.Nf1 Be6 39.Ne3 Nxb2 40.Qxb2 Qc6 (4.811.091.681) 17150


after 37.Nf1
[D] b2r2k1/2q1b2p/6p1/p3Pp2/R1nP1P2/1pP4P/1B3Q1K/R4N2 b - -
25/48 0:02 -4.42 37...Qc6 38.Ng3 Nxb2 39.Qxb2 Bh4 (27.092.082) 13031
26/48 0:02 -4.05 37...Qc6 38.Ng3 Nxb2 39.Qxb2 Bh4 (30.770.756) 13032
27/48 0:03 -4.41++ 37...Qc6 (40.859.975) 13543
27/48 0:03 -4.35 37...Qc6 38.Ng3 Nxb2 39.Qxb2 Bh4 40.Qe2 b2 41.Rg1 Bxg3+ 42.Kxg3 Qxa4 43.Qxb2 Qc6
Or is there actually a win?
what??

[Event "Kiev"]
[Site "Kiev"]
[Date "1959.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Svetozar Gligoric"]
[Black "Vasily Smyslov"]
[ECO "D87"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3
6. bxc3 Bg7 7. Bc4 c5 8. Ne2 O-O 9. O-O Nc6 10. Be3 Qc7
11. Rc1 Rd8 12. h3 b6 13. f4 e6 14. Qe1 Bb7 15. Qf2 Na5
16. Bd3 f5 17. e5 c4 18. Bc2 Nc6 19. g4 Ne7 20. Kh2 Qc6
21. Ng3 b5 22. a4 a6 23. Rb1 Rab8 24. Bd2 bxa4 25. Ra1 Ba8
26. Bxa4 Qc7 27. Ra2 Rb6 28. gxf5 exf5 29. Bc1 Nd5 30. Ne2
a5 31. Bc2 Rb3 32. Bxb3 cxb3 33. Ra4 Bf8 34. Bb2 Ne3
35. Rfa1 Nc4 36. Ng3 Be7 37. Nf1 Qc6 38. Rxc4 Qh1+ 39. Kg3
h5 0-1
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Re: Gligoric-Smyslov, 1959

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Hi Ted.

Your fonts are so smallish, that I can barely see them.

Do I see Komodo 8, depth 19, and 0.28cps white advantage? :?
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Re: Gligoric-Smyslov, 1959

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zullil wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:Here a nice position to try your engines:

[d]b2r2k1/2q3bp/1r4p1/p2nPp2/2pP1P2/2P4P/R1B1NQ1K/2B2R2 b - - 1 31

How does Smyslov win?
Or is there actually a win?
Stockfish sees only a draw, and does not choose Smyslov's Rb3. I assume Gligorić blundered later.

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Re: Gligoric-Smyslov, 1959

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zullil wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:Here a nice position to try your engines:

[d]b2r2k1/2q3bp/1r4p1/p2nPp2/2pP1P2/2P4P/R1B1NQ1K/2B2R2 b - - 1 31

How does Smyslov win?
Or is there actually a win?
[pgn]
[Event "Kiev"]
[Site "Kiev"]
[Date "1959.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Svetozar Gligoric"]
[Black "Vasily Smyslov"]
[ECO "D87"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "78"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3
Bg7 7. Bc4 c5 8. Ne2 O-O 9. O-O Nc6 10. Be3 Qc7 11. Rc1 Rd8
12. h3 b6 13. f4 e6 14. Qe1 Bb7 15. Qf2 Na5 16. Bd3 f5 17. e5
c4 18. Bc2 Nc6 19. g4 Ne7 20. Kh2 Qc6 21. Ng3 b5 22. a4 a6
23. Rb1 Rab8 24. Bd2 bxa4 25. Ra1 Ba8 26. Bxa4 Qc7 27. Ra2 Rb6
28. gxf5 exf5 29. Bc1 Nd5 30. Ne2 a5 31. Bc2 Rb3 32. Bxb3 cxb3
33. Ra4 Bf8 34. Bb2 Ne3 35. Rfa1 Nc4 36. Ng3 Be7 37. Nf1 Qc6
38. Rxc4 Qh1+ 39. Kg3 h5 0-1
[/pgn]
How did you find that? :shock:
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Re: Gligoric-Smyslov, 1959

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kgburcham wrote:
Here a nice position to try your engines:
you are joking correct?
I tried a program set at strength=1500 and it solved your position.

[d]b2r2k1/2q3bp/1r4p1/p2nPp2/2pP1P2/2P4P/R1B1NQ1K/2B2R2 b - - 1 31
How does Smyslov win?
another easy question to answer.
typical human blunder

before 37.Nf1
[D] b2r2k1/2q1b2p/6p1/p3Pp2/R1nP1P2/1pP3NP/1B3Q1K/R7 w - -
45/67 4:40 0.00 37.Qe2 Bd5 38.Nf1 Be6 39.Ne3 Nxb2 40.Qxb2 Qc6 (4.811.091.681) 17150


after 37.Nf1
[D] b2r2k1/2q1b2p/6p1/p3Pp2/R1nP1P2/1pP4P/1B3Q1K/R4N2 b - -
25/48 0:02 -4.42 37...Qc6 38.Ng3 Nxb2 39.Qxb2 Bh4 (27.092.082) 13031
26/48 0:02 -4.05 37...Qc6 38.Ng3 Nxb2 39.Qxb2 Bh4 (30.770.756) 13032
27/48 0:03 -4.41++ 37...Qc6 (40.859.975) 13543
27/48 0:03 -4.35 37...Qc6 38.Ng3 Nxb2 39.Qxb2 Bh4 40.Qe2 b2 41.Rg1 Bxg3+ 42.Kxg3 Qxa4 43.Qxb2 Qc6
Or is there actually a win?
what??

[Event "Kiev"]
[Site "Kiev"]
[Date "1959.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Svetozar Gligoric"]
[Black "Vasily Smyslov"]
[ECO "D87"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3
6. bxc3 Bg7 7. Bc4 c5 8. Ne2 O-O 9. O-O Nc6 10. Be3 Qc7
11. Rc1 Rd8 12. h3 b6 13. f4 e6 14. Qe1 Bb7 15. Qf2 Na5
16. Bd3 f5 17. e5 c4 18. Bc2 Nc6 19. g4 Ne7 20. Kh2 Qc6
21. Ng3 b5 22. a4 a6 23. Rb1 Rab8 24. Bd2 bxa4 25. Ra1 Ba8
26. Bxa4 Qc7 27. Ra2 Rb6 28. gxf5 exf5 29. Bc1 Nd5 30. Ne2
a5 31. Bc2 Rb3 32. Bxb3 cxb3 33. Ra4 Bf8 34. Bb2 Ne3
35. Rfa1 Nc4 36. Ng3 Be7 37. Nf1 Qc6 38. Rxc4 Qh1+ 39. Kg3
h5 0-1
Kim, I think you should do some mowing, just to relax a bit. :)

I bet black wins this, but I am not responsible for engines' weak play.

A 1500-elo engine would blunder a piece or pawn on the very next move.

Skipper is a 1500-elo engine, and I bet Skipper would not play that perfectly.
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Re: Gligoric-Smyslov, 1959

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
zullil wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:Here a nice position to try your engines:

[d]b2r2k1/2q3bp/1r4p1/p2nPp2/2pP1P2/2P4P/R1B1NQ1K/2B2R2 b - - 1 31

How does Smyslov win?
Or is there actually a win?
[pgn]
[Event "Kiev"]
[Site "Kiev"]
[Date "1959.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Svetozar Gligoric"]
[Black "Vasily Smyslov"]
[ECO "D87"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "78"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3
Bg7 7. Bc4 c5 8. Ne2 O-O 9. O-O Nc6 10. Be3 Qc7 11. Rc1 Rd8
12. h3 b6 13. f4 e6 14. Qe1 Bb7 15. Qf2 Na5 16. Bd3 f5 17. e5
c4 18. Bc2 Nc6 19. g4 Ne7 20. Kh2 Qc6 21. Ng3 b5 22. a4 a6
23. Rb1 Rab8 24. Bd2 bxa4 25. Ra1 Ba8 26. Bxa4 Qc7 27. Ra2 Rb6
28. gxf5 exf5 29. Bc1 Nd5 30. Ne2 a5 31. Bc2 Rb3 32. Bxb3 cxb3
33. Ra4 Bf8 34. Bb2 Ne3 35. Rfa1 Nc4 36. Ng3 Be7 37. Nf1 Qc6
38. Rxc4 Qh1+ 39. Kg3 h5 0-1
[/pgn]
How did you find that? :shock:
Searched at http://www.chessgames.com/index.html

using Gligoric and 1959.
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