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Unleash Komodo 9 to the Computer-Chess World!

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:04 pm
by APassionForCriminalJustic
I am hopeful that the release of Komodo 9 is only just around the corner. Please Mark and Larry, give us a new Komodo.

Is there anybody else out there eagerly dying for the release of Komodo 9?

Re: Unleash Komodo 9 to the Computer-Chess World!

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:05 pm
by Dr.Wael Deeb
I would personally wait for a +50 Elo improvement or even more....

So my answer is no....
Dr.D

Re: Unleash Komodo 9 to the Computer-Chess World!

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:31 pm
by JJJ
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:I would personally wait for a +50 Elo improvement or even more....

So my answer is no....
Dr.D
Same here. At least +40 Elo as minimum.

Re: Unleash Komodo 9 to the Computer-Chess World!

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:43 pm
by Lyudmil Tsvetkov
APassionForCriminalJustic wrote:I am hopeful that the release of Komodo 9 is only just around the corner. Please Mark and Larry, give us a new Komodo.

Is there anybody else out there eagerly dying for the release of Komodo 9?
I very much hope Komodo 9 will not be released until they reach at least 50 elo improvement over Komodo 8.
40 elo could also qualify as lowest bound.

The point is, a human simply can not make a distinction between an engine and another engine playing 20 elo stronger. You simply can not see what is improved, can not feel it. 50 or 40 elo though make sense.

Re: Unleash Komodo 9 to the Computer-Chess World!

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:10 pm
by Werewolf
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
APassionForCriminalJustic wrote:I am hopeful that the release of Komodo 9 is only just around the corner. Please Mark and Larry, give us a new Komodo.

Is there anybody else out there eagerly dying for the release of Komodo 9?
I very much hope Komodo 9 will not be released until they reach at least 50 elo improvement over Komodo 8.
40 elo could also qualify as lowest bound.

The point is, a human simply can not make a distinction between an engine and another engine playing 20 elo stronger. You simply can not see what is improved, can not feel it. 50 or 40 elo though make sense.
Then just wait for the next version. There's no harm releasing something for those that want to buy it.

Re: Unleash Komodo 9 to the Computer-Chess World!

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:40 pm
by Lyudmil Tsvetkov
Werewolf wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
APassionForCriminalJustic wrote:I am hopeful that the release of Komodo 9 is only just around the corner. Please Mark and Larry, give us a new Komodo.

Is there anybody else out there eagerly dying for the release of Komodo 9?
I very much hope Komodo 9 will not be released until they reach at least 50 elo improvement over Komodo 8.
40 elo could also qualify as lowest bound.

The point is, a human simply can not make a distinction between an engine and another engine playing 20 elo stronger. You simply can not see what is improved, can not feel it. 50 or 40 elo though make sense.
Then just wait for the next version. There's no harm releasing something for those that want to buy it.
There is big harm, as this would be unethical.

How much are you going to pay for Komodo 9 that is 25 elo stronger than Komodo 8?

I guess half of what you would be ready to pay, if the new version was 50 elo stronger than older version. :)

But that is not the main point. The main point is that you simply will not notice any observable differences in Komodo play, the same way it is difficult to tell apart 2 GMs of roughly equal strength, but easy to do so with GMs that are 50-100-200 elo apart.

Re: Unleash Komodo 9 to the Computer-Chess World!

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:48 pm
by zullil
Werewolf wrote: There's no harm releasing something for those that want to buy it.
Sure there is. Premature releases that underwhelm consumers (or potential consumers) leave lasting impressions. At least, that's my experience.

Re: Unleash Komodo 9 to the Computer-Chess World!

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:09 pm
by lkaufman
I voted for "Sometime in March" because I think we will reach +40 over Komodo 8 sometime this month. Not a promise, just the way I would bet.

Re: Unleash Komodo 9 to the Computer-Chess World!

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:43 pm
by JJJ
lkaufman wrote:I voted for "Sometime in March" because I think we will reach +40 over Komodo 8 sometime this month. Not a promise, just the way I would bet.
Come on ! Take your time. Congrulation already for your work anyway.

Re: Unleash Komodo 9 to the Computer-Chess World!

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:08 pm
by Graham Banks
APassionForCriminalJustic wrote:I am hopeful that the release of Komodo 9 is only just around the corner. Please Mark and Larry, give us a new Komodo.

Is there anybody else out there eagerly dying for the release of Komodo 9?
Engine authors shouldn't feel pressured to release before they're fully satisfied that they're ready to do so.