Can White win this?

[zullil]

Does anyone or any engine see a win here for White?
[D]2b2rk1/5ppp/2q5/1n1pPPP1/2pP1N1P/1pP4B/1Q6/R6K w - - 9 8

[Howard E]

Looks like kingside play is white's only hope of a possible win.
Maybe h5 with Qd2 next? Depending what black does, Rg1 or h6 in some order.

Some shots for Black to be careful of are Ng6 or even e6 under favourable circumstances.

[zullil]

Does anyone or any engine see a win here for White?
[D]2b2rk1/5ppp/2q5/1n1pPPP1/2pP1N1P/1pP4B/1Q6/R6K w - - 9 8

Stockfish sees only a draw, at least at depth 35 with MultiPV=5:

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info depth 35 seldepth 61 multipv 1 score cp 0 nodes 24788735375 nps 23398556 hashfull 999 tbhits 0 time 1059413 pv h4h5 c6b6 a1g1 b6a7 g1a1 a7b6

info depth 35 seldepth 61 multipv 2 score cp 0 nodes 24788735375 nps 23398556 hashfull 999 tbhits 0 time 1059413 pv a1f1 c6c7 h1h2 c7d8 b2d2 f8e8 f1a1 e8f8 h2g3 b5c7 a1e1 d8e8 e1f1 c8d7 f1e1 d7c8

info depth 35 seldepth 61 multipv 3 score cp 0 nodes 24788735375 nps 23398556 hashfull 999 tbhits 0 time 1059413 pv a1e1 g8h8 b2d2 c6a6 h1g1 b5c7 h4h5 h8g8 d2g2 a6a5 g2d2 a5a6

info depth 35 seldepth 61 multipv 4 score cp 0 nodes 24788735375 nps 23398556 hashfull 999 tbhits 0 time 1059413 pv a1g1 c8d7 b2d2 f8b8 f4h5 b5c3 h5f6 g8h8 f6d7 c6d7 d2c3 b3b2 g1b1 d7a7 e5e6 b8b3 e6e7 a7e7 b1b2 b3b2 c3b2 e7e4 h1g1 e4e3 g1h2 e3f4 h2g2 f4e4 g2g3 e4e3 g3g4 e3e4 g4g3

info depth 35 seldepth 61 multipv 5 score cp 0 nodes 24788735375 nps 23398556 hashfull 999 tbhits 0 time 1059413 pv b2d2 c6b7 a1f1 g7g6 f1g1 b7e7 h1h2 f8d8 f5g6 h7g6 h3c8 d8c8 f4d5 e7b7 d5f6 g8g7 d4d5 c8a8 h2g3 a8a2 d2e3 b3b2 g1b1 b5a3 f6e8 g7f8 e8f6 f8g7

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

OK, I give this position a break.

Simply can not concentrate sufficiently.
It might be the case that black draws with perfect play, I am not certain.

What is certain is that white is attacking and black is on the defence all the time.

Another cursory look that I took at this position seemingly shows black drawing with single moves in each line, again, one move drawing, and the other 4 or 5 moves losing, that tells me only white can have the advantage above, but that tells Louis nothing.

Maybe, when I am fresh in the future, I will go back to this position again.

In any case, my main point was not that white is winning, but that such closed positions are simply very deep and interesting.

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

Does anyone or any engine see a win here for White?
[D]2b2rk1/5ppp/2q5/1n1pPPP1/2pP1N1P/1pP4B/1Q6/R6K w - - 9 8

Stockfish sees only a draw, at least at depth 35 with MultiPV=5:

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info depth 35 seldepth 61 multipv 1 score cp 0 nodes 24788735375 nps 23398556 hashfull 999 tbhits 0 time 1059413 pv h4h5 c6b6 a1g1 b6a7 g1a1 a7b6

info depth 35 seldepth 61 multipv 2 score cp 0 nodes 24788735375 nps 23398556 hashfull 999 tbhits 0 time 1059413 pv a1f1 c6c7 h1h2 c7d8 b2d2 f8e8 f1a1 e8f8 h2g3 b5c7 a1e1 d8e8 e1f1 c8d7 f1e1 d7c8

info depth 35 seldepth 61 multipv 3 score cp 0 nodes 24788735375 nps 23398556 hashfull 999 tbhits 0 time 1059413 pv a1e1 g8h8 b2d2 c6a6 h1g1 b5c7 h4h5 h8g8 d2g2 a6a5 g2d2 a5a6

info depth 35 seldepth 61 multipv 4 score cp 0 nodes 24788735375 nps 23398556 hashfull 999 tbhits 0 time 1059413 pv a1g1 c8d7 b2d2 f8b8 f4h5 b5c3 h5f6 g8h8 f6d7 c6d7 d2c3 b3b2 g1b1 d7a7 e5e6 b8b3 e6e7 a7e7 b1b2 b3b2 c3b2 e7e4 h1g1 e4e3 g1h2 e3f4 h2g2 f4e4 g2g3 e4e3 g3g4 e3e4 g4g3

info depth 35 seldepth 61 multipv 5 score cp 0 nodes 24788735375 nps 23398556 hashfull 999 tbhits 0 time 1059413 pv b2d2 c6b7 a1f1 g7g6 f1g1 b7e7 h1h2 f8d8 f5g6 h7g6 h3c8 d8c8 f4d5 e7b7 d5f6 g8g7 d4d5 c8a8 h2g3 a8a2 d2e3 b3b2 g1b1 b5a3 f6e8 g7f8 e8f6 f8g7

That depth is not sufficient.

On h5, only h6 draws, on Rg1, only Qa8, on Kh2, only g6, etc.

[zullil]

Another cursory look that I took at this position seemingly shows black drawing with single moves in each line, again, one move drawing, and the other 4 or 5 moves losing, that tells me only white can have the advantage above, but that tells Louis nothing.

It tells me many humans would lose this playing Black.

Certainly the position you posted is both deep and interesting.

[Karlo Bala]

Does anyone or any engine see a win here for White?
[D]2b2rk1/5ppp/2q5/1n1pPPP1/2pP1N1P/1pP4B/1Q6/R6K w - - 9 8

The position reminds me on Anand - Carlsen game from 2013. I think it is about equal.

[peter]

Certainly the position you posted is both deep and interesting.

+1

[zullil]

Does anyone or any engine see a win here for White?
[D]2b2rk1/5ppp/2q5/1n1pPPP1/2pP1N1P/1pP4B/1Q6/R6K w - - 9 8

The position reminds me on Anand - Carlsen game from 2013. I think it is about equal.

Yes, you are correct. See http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55952 for more about this position.