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Re: This is where top Engines fail compared to human........

Post by zullil » Sat May 30, 2015 9:27 pm

...where the Salov vs. Korchnoi, 1997 example is wrong, as proved in this thread!

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Re: This is where top Engines fail compared to human........

Post by BBauer » Sun May 31, 2015 6:40 am

This is no fortress, as has been shown
[D]8/5p2/4k2p/7R/6P1/5PK1/3q4/8 b - - 21 58
but after 58. ...f6 played by Korchnoi the defence on the 5.th rank is possible,
so this seams to be a fortresss
[D]r8/8/4kp1p/5R2/6P1/5PK1/3q4/8 b - - 1 59

Can you confirm?
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Re: This is where top Engines fail compared to human........

Post by BBauer » Sun May 31, 2015 6:42 am

Should be
[D]8/8/4kp1p/5R2/6P1/5PK1/3q4/8 b - - 1 59

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Re: This is where top Engines fail compared to human........

Post by AdminX » Sun May 31, 2015 8:06 am

BBauer wrote:Should be
[D]8/8/4kp1p/5R2/6P1/5PK1/3q4/8 b - - 1 59

8/8/4kp1p/5R2/6P1/5PK1/3q4/8 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Komodo 9.02 64-bit:

59...Qc1 60.Rh5 Qg1+ 61.Kf4 Qe1 62.Rb5 Qc1+ 63.Kg3 Qg1+ 64.Kf4 Qd4+ 65.Kg3 Qd1 66.Rh5 Qa1 67.Kf4 Qb1 68.Ke3 Qb8 69.Ke4 Qb4+ 70.Ke3 Qe1+ 71.Kf4 Kd6 72.Rb5 Qd2+ 73.Kg3 Qd3 74.Ra5 Ke6 75.Rh5 Qa6 76.Kg2 Qc6 77.Rh1 Qd5 78.Rh5 Qd2+ 79.Kg3 Qd1 80.Kf4 Qd6+ 81.Ke3 Qb6+ 82.Kf4 Qf2 83.Rb5 Qd2+ 84.Kg3 Qe3 85.Rb1 Kd6 86.Rb8 Qg1+ 87.Kf4 Kc6 88.Rc8+ Kd7
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Re: This is where top Engines fail compared to human........

Post by whereagles » Sun May 31, 2015 8:45 am

zullil wrote:
...where the Salov vs. Korchnoi, 1997 example is wrong, as proved in this thread!
Well, login to wiki and fix it :)

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Re: This is where top Engines fail compared to human........

Post by BBauer » Sun May 31, 2015 8:59 am

Thank you for your interest.
[D]1q6/8/4kp1p/7R/6P1/4KP2/8/8 w - -
In your line komodo played 69.Ke4 which was not forced.
SF proposes Kf2 which should hold the draw.
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Re: This is where top Engines fail compared to human........

Post by zullil » Sun May 31, 2015 9:56 am

BBauer wrote:Should be
[D]8/8/4kp1p/5R2/6P1/5PK1/3q4/8 b - - 1 59
Stockfish agrees with Ted's Komodo. No fortress:

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info depth 61 seldepth 109 multipv 1 score cp 12334 nodes 39613860187 nps 59365372 hashfull 359 tbhits 54489857 time 667289 pv d2d4 g3g2 d4b2 g2g3 b2b1 f5h5 b1g1 g3f4 e6d7 h5d5 d7c6 d5h5 g1f2 h5f5 f2h2 f4e3 c6d6 f5b5 d6e6 b5a5 h2g1 e3e2 g1b6 a5f5 b6a7 f5h5 a7d4 h5f5 d4c4 e2e3 c4c1 e3e4 c1d2 f5h5 e6e7 h5f5 e7f7 f5h5 f7g6 h5d5 d2e2 e4f4 e2c4 f4e3 c4d5 f3f4 d5e6 e3f3 e6g4

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Re: This is where top Engines fail compared to human........

Post by zullil » Sun May 31, 2015 10:08 am

BBauer wrote:Thank you for your interest.
[D]1q6/8/4kp1p/7R/6P1/4KP2/8/8 w - -
In your line komodo played 69.Ke4 which was not forced.
SF proposes Kf2 which should hold the draw.
Kind regards
Bernhard
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Re: This is where top Engines fail compared to human........

Post by BBauer » Sun May 31, 2015 10:30 am

I tried the position again and got a 123.77 score.
So you are right. No fortress.
Sorry.
Bernhard

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