Where are the legends?

[hammerklavier]

Where are the legends? Frans Morsch , Marty Hirsch , Johan de Koning , Chris Whittington, Christophe Théron, David Kittinger, Richard Lang Chrilly Donninger and others....

How is possible than this personalities not participate in this forum...

The love for Computer Chess is in part share with others the enthusiasm and feelings for the community.

an living example of this is Ed Schroder, father of Rebel. He always participated in the community.

Sadly Lang Morsch and much others legends are completely absent.

I like too much see commentaries from them.

[kaissa]

Christophe Théron, Richard Lang, Mark Uniacke and Stefan Meyer-Kahlen are still in the business for their love for computer chess as I assume that one cannot sustain himself let alone a family on income from this.

It is just normal for them to change their priorities. I would love to hear from non-active programmers once in a while but why should they be active here? They are probably using their skills elsewhere.

[bob]

Where are the legends? Frans Morsch , Marty Hirsch , Johan de Koning , Chris Whittington, Christophe Théron, David Kittinger, Richard Lang Chrilly Donninger and others....

How is possible than this personalities not participate in this forum...

The love for Computer Chess is in part share with others the enthusiasm and feelings for the community.

an living example of this is Ed Schroder, father of Rebel. He always participated in the community.

Sadly Lang Morsch and much others legends are completely absent.

I like too much see commentaries from them.

It is called "burn out".

[hammerklavier]

Mr Hyatt! Other great personality in World of Computer Chess!!

Sorry my english is limited, i not understand "burn out". Can you please explain me ?

[bob]

Mr Hyatt! Other great personality in World of Computer Chess!!

Sorry my english is limited, i not understand "burn out". Can you please explain me ?

If you do something for a long time, you get tired of doing it. You "burn out" (like a lightbulb) and no longer work. From my experience, this is more related to pressure than effort. IE "Got to get this new version out for the Christmas shopping season..." and such. As a non-commercial programmer that has been doing this almost forever, I have the ability to stop when I get tired and let it rest for a few weeks or a few months, then pick up again. So far there seems to be just one of "me" that has kept at it for so long. Perhaps someone else will follow.

[MikeB]

Mr Hyatt! Other great personality in World of Computer Chess!!

Sorry my english is limited, i not understand "burn out". Can you please explain me ?

Imagine doing something for 50 years that is complicated, mentally taxing, frustrating , competitve and once in a while - very rewarding.

Not quite 50 , but will be 50 years in the next two/three years. Our own Bob Hyatt.

http://www.nytimes.com/1986/10/12/arts/ ... nship.html

[MikeB]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/21/cross ... .html?_r=0

http://www.nytimes.com/1986/10/12/arts/ ... nship.html

I also found this - only because it was the Hyatt Regency - but it must have been some game...

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/01/14/style ... chess.html

[pgn][Event "American op"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1989.??.??"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Dzindzichashvili, Roman"]
[Black "Comp Mephisto Portorose"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2540"]
[BlackElo ""]
[ECO "A13"]

1.g3 c5 2.Bg2 Nc6 3.Nf3 d5 4.O-O Nf6 5.c4 dxc4 6.Na3 e6 7.Nxc4 Be7 8.b3 O-O
9.Bb2 Nd5 10.d4 b6 11.e4 Nf6 12.dxc5 Bxc5 13.Qe2 Ba6 14.Rad1 Qe7 15.e5 Nd5
16.Nfd2 b5 17.Ne3 Nxe3 18.fxe3 Rac8 19.Ne4 Nb8 20.b4 Bxb4 21.Qh5 h6 22.Rd4 Rc2
23.Nf6+ Kh8 24.Rh4 Bb7 25.Rff4 Rxg2+ 26.Kf1 Be4 27.Rxe4 Rd8 28.Kxg2 Rd2+
29.Kh3 Rd8 30.Rxb4 Nc6 31.Rbg4 Qf8 32.Ba3 b4 33.Rxb4 1-0[/pgn]

As noted by Byrne, 25. Rff4 was flawed and leads to a perpetual draw. (see below)

[d]1n3r1k/pb2qpp1/4pN1p/1p2P2Q/1b5R/4P1P1/PBr3BP/5RK1 w - - 6 25


One of the moves missed by Roman earlier was 23. Rf6 with deadly consequences.

[d] 1n3rk1/p3qpp1/b3p2p/1p2P2Q/1b1RN3/4P1P1/PBr3BP/5RK1 w - - 2 23

Crafty Analysis

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         33->   2:30/5:00     9.99   1. Rf6 Rxg2+ 2. Kxg2 Bb7 3. Kh3 Rd8
                                     4. Rxh6 gxh6 5. Nf6+ Qxf6 6. exf6 Rxd4
                                     7. Bxd4 Bf8 8. Qxb5 Nc6 9. Qxb7 Nxd4
                                     10. exd4 a5 11. Kg2 a4 12. Qd7 a3 13. Qe8
                                     h5 14. Qb5 h4 15. Qg5+ Kh7 16. Qh5+ Kg8
                                     17. Qxh4 Bd6 18. Kf3 Bb4 19. Qg5+ Kh7
?        34     3:07/5:00     1/51*  1. Rf6     (57.5Mnps)             
Black(1): ?
        time=3:11(96%)  nodes=11009417858(11.0B)  fh1=80%  pred=0  nps=57.5M
        checks=467.8M  qchecks=784.5M  fp=3.4B  mcp=351.2M  reversible=0
        LMReductions:  1/159.3M  2/94.6M  3/64.1M  4/28.6M  5/3.2M  6/134.5K
              7/2.6K  8/9
        null-move (R):  3/306.0M  4/22.9M  5/948.2K  6/58.8K  7/2.9K  8/49
        splits=521.7K(355.8K)  aborts=37.9K  joins=683.9K  data=29%(29%)

latest stockfish - was sure it was going to announce mate within 15 minutes, it got close. You can see how triple channel memory is really boosting the nps here for stockfish. I never used to anything this fast (nps) for stockfish.

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info depth 35 seldepth 64 multipv 1 score cp 2539 lowerbound nodes 20434590030 nps 24490982 hashfull 999 tbhits 0 time 834372 pv f1f6
info depth 35 currmove f1f6 currmovenumber 1
info nodes 22110801581 time 900000
bestmove f1f6

[supersharp77]

Where are the legends? Frans Morsch , Marty Hirsch , Johan de Koning , Chris Whittington, Christophe Théron, David Kittinger, Richard Lang Chrilly Donninger and others....

How is possible than this personalities not participate in this forum...

The love for Computer Chess is in part share with others the enthusiasm and feelings for the community.

an living example of this is Ed Schroder, father of Rebel. He always participated in the community.

Sadly Lang Morsch and much others legends are completely absent.

I like too much see commentaries from them.

Interesting question.....some drop by from time to time......Hyatt...Ablett
Schroder...Schmidt...Homan..Corbit and others rarely......and some not at all......no matter they are ALL legends and we honor and remember them all and their work lives on!!! AR

[reflectionofpower]

Frans Morsch,Johan de Koning have spoken a few snippets on here but not much, Chris Whittington,Christophe Théron were quite active on here years ago, David Kittinger, Richard Lang Chrilly Donninger were very sparse, Kittinger might have said a few things on here.


For one reason or another they do not choose to participate as they do have lives to live. I remember some would be on here and people would be arguing with them so they would just so the hell with this place.

There are still legends on here now, Hyatt,Lefler, Dailey (RIP) who did frequent here as much as he could and many more who have contributed to the online scene. It also depends when you started coming on here to. Discussions were always onthe newsgroups (remember those?) rec.games.chess.computer, rec.games.chess.analysis etc.

I used to love the BBS too, those were nice cozy little spots in the infancy of my online toddler days.

[fern]

..and yet it looks like you are unsinkable....

Fern, unsinkable too...