Hard talkchess 2016 set in PGN

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Re: Hard talkchess 2016 set in PGN

Post by Vinvin » Thu May 26, 2016 12:20 pm

Rebel wrote:
Vinvin wrote:Add reference (players, composer, sources, ...)

Any comments are welcome !
You can use ProDeo 1.85 for that purpose. Paste the second position results in:
...
Etc.
Thanks, Ed. I just tested it, nice tools !

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Re: Hard talkchess 2016 set in PGN

Post by EvgeniyZh » Thu May 26, 2016 12:25 pm

Vinvin wrote:
Rebel wrote:
Vinvin wrote:Add reference (players, composer, sources, ...)

Any comments are welcome !
You can use ProDeo 1.85 for that purpose. Paste the second position results in:
...
Etc.
Thanks, Ed. I just tested it, nice tools !
Afaik, it's just searches in chessbase. So you may try Chessbase as well.

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Re: Hard talkchess 2016 set in PGN

Post by Vinvin » Thu May 26, 2016 1:01 pm

EvgeniyZh wrote:
Vinvin wrote:
Rebel wrote:
Vinvin wrote:Add reference (players, composer, sources, ...)

Any comments are welcome !
You can use ProDeo 1.85 for that purpose. Paste the second position results in:
...
Etc.
Thanks, Ed. I just tested it, nice tools !
Afaik, it's just searches in chessbase. So you may try Chessbase as well.
I've never bought Chessbase.

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Re: Hard talkchess 2016 set in PGN

Post by Dann Corbit » Thu May 26, 2016 6:17 pm

Vinvin wrote:
EvgeniyZh wrote:
Vinvin wrote:
Rebel wrote:
Vinvin wrote:Add reference (players, composer, sources, ...)

Any comments are welcome !
You can use ProDeo 1.85 for that purpose. Paste the second position results in:
...
Etc.
Thanks, Ed. I just tested it, nice tools !
Afaik, it's just searches in chessbase. So you may try Chessbase as well.
I've never bought Chessbase.
Scid does a nice job of that sort of thing also.
And it is free.
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Re: Hard talkchess 2016 set in PGN

Post by Werewolf » Fri May 27, 2016 9:25 pm

[d]2r1k2r/4qpp1/p3p2p/1pn1P3/3N2P1/P7/1PP3QP/1K1R2R1 w k -

I'm struggling to see a win here for white. Is 1.h4 BM? In which case I think it is less than half a pawn better than alternatives.

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Re: Hard talkchess 2016 set in PGN

Post by Eelco de Groot » Fri May 27, 2016 10:52 pm

[pgn][Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[White "W"]
[Black "B"]
[Result "*"]
[FEN "2r1k2r/4qpp1/p3p2p/1pn1P3/3N2P1/P7/1PP3QP/1K1R2R1 w k - 0 1"]
[Comment "bm Nf5;"]

1. Nf5 exf5 2. gxf5 f6 (2... Rg8 3. Rd5 {!?} (3. e6 {?!} 3... fxe6 4. fxe6 g5
{!?} (4... g6 5. Rgf1 a5 6. Rde1 b4 7. Qg3 Nxe6 8. Rxe6 Qxe6 9. Re1 Kd7 10.
Rxe6 Kxe6 11. axb4 axb4 12. Qg4+ Kf7 13. Qxb4 {±})5. Rge1 g4 {8})3... g5 (3...
Qc7 4. Re1 g6 5. Re3 Rd8 6. Rxd8+ Kxd8 7. Qa8+ {!} (7. Qd5+ Kc8 8. Rc3 Rd8 9.
Qxc5 Qxc5 10. Rxc5+ Kb7 {±})7... Qc8 8. Qd5+ Ke8 9. f6 {+?-})4. Qh3 Na4 5.
Qxh6 Qc7 6. Rc1 Nb6 7. Rd4 Qc5 8. c3 Nc4 9. Qh7 Rf8 10. e6 Qe5 11. f6 Qxe6 12.
Rcd1 Qxf6 13. Re4+ Ne5 14. Qh3 {+?-}) 3. exf6 Qxf6 4. Qd5 Kf8 5. Rg6 Qf7 6.
Qd6+ Kg8 7. Rdg1 Rh7 8. f6 Ne6 9. Qxa6 Qd7 10. Qb6 Re8 11. h4 Kh8 12. Qf2 Rf8
(12... gxf6 13. Qf5 Qd8 14. Rxf6 Ng7 15. Qf3 Qe7 16. Rf1 Rg8 17. Qc3 {+?-})
13. Qf5 Qf7 14. fxg7+ Nxg7 15. Qxb5 Nf5 16. a4 Rg7 17. Rxg7 Nxg7 18. Qc6 {±} *[/pgn]
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Re: Hard talkchess 2016 set in PGN

Post by Werewolf » Sat May 28, 2016 9:36 am

[d]2r1k2r/4qpp1/p3p2p/1pn1P3/3N2P1/P7/1PP3QP/1K1R2R1 w k -

I believe this position is flawed. I've analysed all the lines given in an IDeA project and I find that 1.Nf5 is no better than 1.h4

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Re: Hard talkchess 2016 set in PGN

Post by Dann Corbit » Sat May 28, 2016 10:53 am

SF and Houdini both liked h4 after an hour long think. Small score of about 1/3 pawn though.
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Re: Hard talkchess 2016 set in PGN

Post by Vinvin » Sat May 28, 2016 12:42 pm

Werewolf wrote:[d]2r1k2r/4qpp1/p3p2p/1pn1P3/3N2P1/P7/1PP3QP/1K1R2R1 w k -

I believe this position is flawed. I've analysed all the lines given in an IDeA project and I find that 1.Nf5 is no better than 1.h4
Look at given variations. "IDeA" is a random thing.

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Re: Hard talkchess 2016 set in PGN

Post by Vinvin » Sat May 28, 2016 12:44 pm

Dann Corbit wrote:SF and Houdini both liked h4 after an hour long think. Small score of about 1/3 pawn though.
20 to 100 hours is probably more reasonable for this position for current top engines.

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