Chessmaster v Christiansen test position (2002)

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Chessmaster v Christiansen test position (2002)

Post by JVMerlino »

I've dug this one up a few times since it was played almost fourteen years ago, and I don't think any engine definitively answered the question one way or another. It's been a few years since I last posted it, so I guess it's about time again....

This is a position from round 3 of Chessmaster vs. GM Larry Christiansen:

[D]8/p1p5/Pp1p2nk/1P1Bq1r1/2P1Pprp/1Q6/5RPP/3R3K b - - 0 53

At this point, Larry played 53...Rg3?! Afterwards, he claimed it was winning. But unfortunately he blundered later on in the game and lost.

But with today's powerful engines and hardware (neither of which I have), I would very much appreciate it if any of you could run this position and see if any engine can find a win for black AFTER playing Rg3. Bonus if an engine actually DOES play Rg3!

Here's the game, for your amusement:

[Event "ICC 2 120 u"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2002.09.29"]
[Round "3"]
[White "CM9000 (Botvinnik)"]
[Black "LarryC"]
[TimeControl "120+120"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A28"]

1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.d4 exd4 5.Nxd4 Bb4 6.Bg5 h6 7.Bh4 Bxc3+
8.bxc3 Ne5 9.e3 d6 10.Be2 Ng6 11.Bxf6 Qxf6 12.O-O O-O 13.Qc2 Re8 14.Rfd1
Nf8 15.Bd3 Ne6 16.Nb3 Rb8 17.a4 Qe7 18.a5 Bd7 19.a6 b6 20.Nd4 Nc5 21.Nb5
Bxb5 22.cxb5 Qf6 23.Bc4 Re5 24.Bd5 Rbe8 25.Rd4 Ne6 26.Rd2 g6 27.Ra4 Kg7
28.Rd1 Re7 29.Rb4 g5 30.Bc6 Qg6 31.Qb2 f5 32.Qb1 Qf6 33.Bd5 f4 34.e4 Nf8
35.f3 h5 36.Qc2 Ng6 37.Qa2 Kh6 38.Qd2 Rg7 39.Qd4 g4 40.fxg4 Nh4 41.Rb2
Rxg4 42.Kh1 Ng6 43.Rf2 Qe7 44.Qd2 Reg5 45.Ra1 h4 46.c4 Qe5 47.Rc1 Kg7
48.Bc6 Qe7 49.Rcf1 Re5 50.Qc3 Kh6 51.Bd5 Reg5 52.Qb3 Qe5 53.Rd1 Rg3
54.hxg3 hxg3 55.Ra2 Rg4 56.Kg1 Qh5 57.Kf1 f3 58.Ke1 f2+ 59.Kd2 Rh4
60.Qe3+ Kg7 61.Rf1 Qe5 62.Kc2 Rh2 63.Qf3 Qf4 64.e5 Qxf3 65.Bxf3 Nxe5
66.Bd5 Rh5 67.Ra3 Rg5 68.Kd2 Ng6 69.Re3 Ne5 70.Ke2 Kf6 71.Rh1 Ng6 72.Rh7
1-0

Many thanks in advance,
jm
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Re: Chessmaster v Christiansen test position (2002)

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[D] 8/p1p5/Pp1p2nk/1P1Bq1r1/2P1Pprp/1Q6/5RPP/3R3K b - -



8 processor(s) found, POPCNT available
NUMA configuration with 1 node(s), offset 0
Nalimov 6 men EGTB available - 999 MB cache
Engine: Houdini 4 Pro x64 (8192 MB)
by Robert Houdart
18/55 0:00 -0.43++ 53...Rg3 (14.005.007) 16772
18/55 0:00 -0.58++ 53...Rg3 (15.561.183) 17044
18/55 0:00 -0.47 53...Rg3 54.hxg3 hxg3 55.Ra2 Rg4 56.Kg1 Qh5 57.Kf1 Qh1+ 58.Ke2 Qxg2+ 59.Kd3 Qf3+ 60.Kc2 Qxb3+ 61.Kxb3 f3 62.Kc3 Kg5 63.Kd4 g2 64.Rg1 Nf4 65.Ke3 Nh3 66.Rd1 g1Q+ (16.474.473) 17071
19/62 0:01 -0.40-- 53...Rg3 54.hxg3 (28.278.954) 18543
19/62 0:02 -0.25-- 53...Rg3 54.hxg3 (38.024.558) 18955
19/67 0:03 0.00 53...Rg3 54.hxg3 hxg3 55.Rf3 Rg4 56.Kg1 Qh5 57.e5 Nxe5 58.Kf1 Qh1+ 59.Ke2 Qxg2+ 60.Ke1 Qh2 61.Rd2 Qh4 62.Rg2 Nxf3+ 63.Qxf3 Rg5 64.Kd2 Re5 65.Be4 Kg5 66.Bd3 Qh8 (77.885.245) 20240
20/67 0:07 0.00 53...Rg3 54.hxg3 hxg3 55.Rf3 Rg4 56.Kg1 Qh5 57.e5 Nxe5 58.Kf1 Qh1+ 59.Ke2 Qxg2+ 60.Ke1 Qh2 61.Rd2 Qh4 62.Rg2 Nxf3+ 63.Qxf3 Rg5 64.Kd2 Re5 65.Be4 Kg5 66.Bd3 Qh8 (160.763.511) 21845
21/67 0:10 -0.07++ 53...Rg3 (242.267.747) 22316 TB:12
21/67 0:11 0.00 53...Rg3 54.hxg3 hxg3 55.Rf3 Rg4 56.Kg1 Qh5 57.e5 Rg5 58.Qc3 Qh2+ 59.Kf1 Qh1+ 60.Ke2 Qxg2+ 61.Kd3 Nxe5+ 62.Kd4 Nxf3+ 63.Qxf3 Qb2+ 64.Kd3 Qb3+ 65.Kd2 Qxf3 66.Bxf3 Re5 (246.314.250) 22286 TB:12
22/67 0:15 -0.05 53...Rg3 54.hxg3 hxg3 55.Rf3 Rg4 56.Kg1 Qh5 57.e5 Rg5 58.Qc3 Qh2+ 59.Kf1 Qh1+ 60.Ke2 Qxg2+ 61.Kd3 Nxe5+ 62.Kd4 Nxf3+ 63.Qxf3 Qb2+ 64.Kd3 Qb3+ 65.Kd2 Qxf3 66.Bxf3 Rg7 (340.151.959) 22569 TB:12
22/67 0:21 -0.07++ 53...Qf6 (490.294.834) 22856 TB:12
22/67 0:23 -0.01 53...Qf6 54.Rdf1 Rg3 55.Qd1 Re3 56.Rf3 Qb2 57.R1f2 Qc3 58.Rf1 Kg7 59.Be6 h3 60.Bxh3 Rxf3 61.Qxf3 Qxf3 62.Rxf3 Re5 63.Bf5 Nh4 64.Rxf4 Nxf5 65.Rxf5 Rxe4 66.Kg1 Rh4 (545.909.938) 22776 TB:12
22/67 0:23 -0.05 53...Rg3 54.hxg3 hxg3 55.Rf3 Rg4 56.Kg1 Qh5 57.e5 Rg5 58.Qc3 Qh2+ 59.Kf1 Qh1+ 60.Ke2 Qxg2+ 61.Kd3 Nxe5+ 62.Kd4 Nxf3+ 63.Qxf3 Qb2+ 64.Kd3 Qb3+ 65.Kd2 Qxf3 66.Bxf3 Rg7 (545.913.121) 22771 TB:12
23/69 0:35 -0.12++ 53...Rg3 (819.313.321) 23079 TB:16
23/69 0:36 -0.27++ 53...Rg3 (835.234.305) 23065 TB:16
23/81 0:38 -0.61++ 53...Rg3 (880.133.962) 23030 TB:16
23/82 0:41 -0.04 53...Rg3 54.hxg3 hxg3 55.Rf3 Rg4 56.Kg1 Qh5 57.e5 Qh2+ 58.Kf1 Qh1+ 59.Ke2 Qxg2+ 60.Ke1 Rg5 61.Rd2 Rxe5+ 62.Kd1 Qh1+ 63.Kc2 Re1 64.Qa3 Ra1 65.Qb2 g2 66.Rh3+ Qxh3 (954.632.877) 22928 TB:928
24/82 1:19 0.00 53...Rg3 54.hxg3 hxg3 55.Rf3 Rg4 56.Kg1 Qh5 57.e5 Qh2+ 58.Kf1 Qh1+ 59.Ke2 Qxg2+ 60.Ke1 Rg5 61.Rd2 Rxe5+ 62.Kd1 Qh1+ 63.Kc2 Re1 64.Qa3 Ra1 65.Rb3 Qe1 66.Qb2 Ne5 (1.881.071.728) 23779 TB:1.420
24/82 1:23 -0.12++ 53...Qf6 (1.992.601.432) 23755 TB:1.420
24/82 1:25 -0.11 53...Qf6 54.Rdf1 Rg3 55.Qd1 Ra3 56.Qc1 Rd3 57.Rf3 Qd4 58.Rxd3 Qxd3 59.Rf3 Qe2 60.Qg1 Qxf3 61.gxf3 Rxg1+ 62.Kxg1 Kg5 63.Kf2 Ne5 64.Ke2 Kf6 65.h3 Kg6 66.Kf2 Kg5 (2.023.912.237) 23752 TB:1.420
25/82 1:46 -0.11 53...Qf6 54.Rdf1 Rg3 55.Qd1 Ra3 56.Qc1 Rd3 57.Rf3 Qd4 58.Rxd3 Qxd3 59.Rf3 Qe2 60.Qg1 Qxf3 61.gxf3 Rxg1+ 62.Kxg1 Kg5 63.Kf2 Ne5 64.Ke2 Kf6 65.h3 Kg6 66.Kf2 Kg5 (2.545.230.802) 23882 TB:1.424
26/82 2:38 -0.17 53...Qf6 54.Rdf1 Rg3 55.Qb1 Re3 56.Qd1 Qc3 57.Rf3 h3 58.gxh3 Rxf3 59.Qxf3 Qxf3+ 60.Rxf3 Rh5 61.Kg1 Rh4 62.Kg2 Ne5 63.Rf2 Kg6 64.Rf1 Kf6 65.Bg8 f3+ 66.Kg3 Rh5 (3.808.184.474) 23991 TB:1.427
27/89 16:18 -0.25++ 53...Qf6 (24.646.391.018) 25194 TB:5.958
27/89 17:25 -0.10-- 53...Qf6 54.c5 (26.251.373.419) 25110 TB:6.047
27/93 66:18 -0.10 53...Rh5 54.Rf3 Kg7 55.Qc3 Qxc3 56.Rxc3 h3 57.Rxh3 Rxh3 58.gxh3 Rh4 59.Be6 Ne5 60.Kg1 Kf6 61.Bf5 Rh5 62.Rf1 Rg5+ 63.Bg4 Nxc4 64.Rxf4+ Ke7 65.Rf5 Rxf5 66.exf5 d5 (102.309.374.155) 25712 TB:125.900
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Re: Chessmaster v Christiansen test position (2002)

Post by acase »

Hi Jon,



Here is the latest version of Stockfish on a 20 core machine with a 16GB hashtable AFTER 53...Rg3 is played (after about 2 hours):

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FEN: 8/p1p5/Pp1p2nk/1P1Bq1r1/2P1Pp1p/1Q4r1/5RPP/3R3K w - - 0 53

Stockfish_16092510_x64_bmi2:

 53/78	57:02	116,009,264k	33,899k	 0.00	53.h2xg3 h4xg3 54.Rf2-f3 Rg5-g4 55.Kh1-g1 Qe5-h5 56.e4-e5 Rg4-g5 57.Qb3-c3 Qh5-h2+ 58.Kg1-f1 Qh2-h1+ 59.Kf1-e2 Qh1xg2+ 60.Ke2-d3 Ng6xe5+ 61.Kd3-d4 Rg5-g4 62.Bd5-e4 Kh6-g5 63.Rf3-f1 Qg2-h2 64.Rf1-h1 Qh2-f2+ 65.Kd4-d5 g3-g2 66.Rh1-h7 Rg4-g3 67.Qc3-d4 Qf2xd4+ 68.Kd5xd4 f4-f3 69.Rh7xc7 Kg5-f6 70.Rc7xa7 g2-g1Q+ 71.Rd1xg1 Rg3xg1 72.Ra7-a8 Rg1-d1+ 73.Kd4-e3 Rd1-e1+ 74.Ke3-f2 Re1xe4 75.a6-a7 Re4-e2+ 76.Kf2-g3 Re2-g2+ 77.Kg3-h3 Rg2-a2 78.Ra8-f8+ Kf6-e7 79.a7-a8Q Ra2xa8 80.Rf8xa8 Ne5xc4 81.Kh3-g3 f3-f2 82.Kg3xf2 d6-d5 83.Kf2-e2 Nc4-d6 84.Ke2-d3 Nd6xb5 85.Ra8-g8 Nb5-d6 86.Kd3-d4 Nd6-f7 87.Rg8-g1 Ke7-d6 88.Rg1-c1 Nf7-e5 89.Rc1-b1 Ne5-f3+ 90.Kd4-d3 Nf3-e5+ 91.Kd3-d4

 54/78	1:19:01	161,330,701k	34,029k	 0.00	53.h2xg3 h4xg3 54.Rf2-f3 Rg5-g4 55.Kh1-g1 Qe5-h5 56.e4-e5 Rg4-g5 57.Qb3-c3 Qh5-h2+ 58.Kg1-f1 Qh2-h1+ 59.Kf1-e2 Qh1xg2+ 60.Ke2-d3 Ng6xe5+ 61.Kd3-d4 Rg5-g4 62.Bd5-e4 Kh6-g5 63.Rf3-f1 Qg2-h2 64.Rf1-h1 Qh2-f2+ 65.Kd4-d5 g3-g2 66.Rh1-h7 Rg4-g3 67.Qc3-d4 Qf2xd4+ 68.Kd5xd4 f4-f3 69.Rh7xc7 Kg5-f6 70.Rc7xa7 g2-g1Q+ 71.Rd1xg1 Rg3xg1 72.Ra7-a8 Rg1-d1+ 73.Kd4-e3 Rd1-e1+ 74.Ke3-f2 Re1xe4 75.a6-a7 Re4-e2+ 76.Kf2-g3 Re2-g2+ 77.Kg3-h3 Rg2-a2 78.Ra8-f8+ Kf6-e7 79.a7-a8Q Ra2xa8 80.Rf8xa8 Ne5xc4 81.Kh3-g3 f3-f2 82.Kg3xf2 d6-d5 83.Kf2-e2 Nc4-d6 84.Ke2-d3 Nd6xb5 85.Ra8-g8 Nb5-d6 86.Kd3-d4 Nd6-f7 87.Rg8-g1 Ke7-d6 88.Rg1-c1 Nf7-e5 89.Rc1-b1 Ne5-f3+ 90.Kd4-d3 Nf3-e5+ 91.Kd3-d4

 55/78	1:29:18	183,054,468k	34,164k	 0.00	53.h2xg3 h4xg3 54.Rf2-f3 Rg5-g4 55.Kh1-g1 Qe5-h5 56.e4-e5 Rg4-g5 57.Qb3-c3 Qh5-h2+ 58.Kg1-f1 Qh2-h1+ 59.Kf1-e2 Qh1xg2+ 60.Ke2-d3 Ng6xe5+ 61.Kd3-d4 Rg5-g4 62.Bd5-e4 Kh6-g5 63.Rf3-f1 Qg2-h2 64.Rf1-h1 Qh2-f2+ 65.Kd4-d5 g3-g2 66.Rh1-h7 Rg4-g3 67.Qc3-d4 Qf2xd4+ 68.Kd5xd4 f4-f3 69.Rh7xc7 Kg5-f6 70.Rc7xa7 g2-g1Q+ 71.Rd1xg1 Rg3xg1 72.Ra7-a8 Rg1-d1+ 73.Kd4-e3 Rd1-e1+ 74.Ke3-f2 Re1xe4 75.a6-a7 Re4-e2+ 76.Kf2-g3 Re2-g2+ 77.Kg3-h3 Rg2-a2 78.Ra8-f8+ Kf6-e7 79.a7-a8Q Ra2xa8 80.Rf8xa8 Ne5xc4 81.Kh3-g3 f3-f2 82.Kg3xf2 d6-d5 83.Kf2-e2 Nc4-d6 84.Ke2-d3 Nd6xb5 85.Ra8-g8 Nb5-d6 86.Kd3-d4 Nd6-f7 87.Rg8-g1 Ke7-d6 88.Rg1-c1 Nf7-e5 89.Rc1-b1 Ne5-f3+ 90.Kd4-d3 Nf3-e5+ 91.Kd3-d4

 56/78	1:36:09	197,175,372k	34,176k	 0.00	53.h2xg3 h4xg3 54.Rf2-f3 Rg5-g4 55.Kh1-g1 Qe5-h5 56.e4-e5 Rg4-g5 57.Qb3-c3 Qh5-h2+ 58.Kg1-f1 Qh2-h1+ 59.Kf1-e2 Qh1xg2+ 60.Ke2-d3 Ng6xe5+ 61.Kd3-d4 Rg5-g4 62.Bd5-e4 Kh6-g5 63.Rf3-f1 Qg2-h2 64.Rf1-h1 Qh2-f2+ 65.Kd4-d5 g3-g2 66.Rh1-h7 Rg4-g3 67.Qc3-d4 Qf2xd4+ 68.Kd5xd4 f4-f3 69.Rh7xc7 Kg5-f6 70.Rc7xa7 g2-g1Q+ 71.Rd1xg1 Rg3xg1 72.Ra7-a8 Rg1-d1+ 73.Kd4-e3 Rd1-e1+ 74.Ke3-f2 Re1xe4 75.a6-a7 Re4-e2+ 76.Kf2-g3 Re2-g2+ 77.Kg3-h3 Rg2-a2 78.Ra8-f8+ Kf6-e7 79.a7-a8Q Ra2xa8 80.Rf8xa8 Ne5xc4 81.Kh3-g3 f3-f2 82.Kg3xf2 d6-d5 83.Kf2-e2 Nc4-d6 84.Ke2-d3 Nd6xb5 85.Ra8-g8 Nb5-d6 86.Kd3-d4 Nd6-f7 87.Rg8-g1 Ke7-d6 88.Rg1-c1 Nf7-e5 89.Rc1-b1 Ne5-f3+ 90.Kd4-d3 Nf3-e5+ 91.Kd3-d4

 57/78	2:02:27	252,563,838k	34,373k	 0.00	53.h2xg3 h4xg3 54.Rf2-f3 Rg5-g4 55.Kh1-g1 Qe5-h5 56.e4-e5 Qh5-h2+ 57.Kg1-f1 Rg4-g5 58.Kf1-e1 Qh2xg2 59.Rd1-d2 Rg5xe5+ 60.Ke1-d1 Qg2-h1+ 61.Kd1-c2 Re5-e1 62.Qb3-a3 Re1-a1 63.Qa3-b2 g3-g2 64.Rf3-h3+ Qh1xh3 65.Qb2xa1 Qh3-f5+ 66.Kc2-b3 f4-f3 67.Qa1-g1 Ng6-e5 68.Rd2-d1 Qf5-g5 69.Qg1-h2+ Kh6-g7 70.Qh2-g1 Kg7-h6


Perhaps Larry saw something that the engines didn't, it would have been cool if Larry had demonstrated the win after 53...Rg3 for further scrutiny.
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Re: Chessmaster v Christiansen test position (2002)

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8/p1p5/Pp1p2nk/1P1Bq1r1/2P1Pprp/1Q6/5RPP/3R3K b - - 0 1

Analysis by Cfish 180916 64 POPCNT:

53...Rg3 54.hxg3 hxg3 55.Rf3 Rg4 56.Kg1 Qh5 57.e5 Rg5 58.Qc3 Qh2+ 59.Kf1 Qh1+ 60.Ke2 Qxg2+ 61.Kd3 Nxe5+ 62.Kd4 Nxf3+ 63.Qxf3 Qb2+ 64.Kd3 g2 65.Qh3+ Kg7 66.Qd7+ Kh6 67.Qh3+
= (0.00) Depth: 42/68 00:07:36 3766MN, tb=1252309
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Re: Chessmaster v Christiansen test position (2002)

Post by Dann Corbit »

I first analyzed the position after the key move was made. For a while, it looked like white was in trouble (up to depth 28) but then it faded to a draw.

Now I am analyzing the original position before the key move was made.

Analysis of the position after the key move has been made:

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Analysis of X:\users\dcorbit\lccm-sub.epd   
9/27/2016 2:44:00 PM Level: 7200 Seconds
Analyzing engine: Stockfish-x64-crusty2

 1                      
    Avoid move: 
    Best move (Stockfish-x64-crusty2): h2xg3
    Not found in: 2:00:00
     2/2	00:00	       9,355	719,615	+3.11	hxg3 hxg3
     3/3	00:00	      30,816	1,339,826	+2.21	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3
     4/4	00:00	      53,829	1,682,156	+2.06	hxg3 hxg3 Rb2 Rg4
     5/5	00:00	      80,553	1,873,325	+2.35	hxg3 hxg3 Rb2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5
     6/6	00:00	     107,533	2,028,924	+2.09	hxg3 hxg3 Rb2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5
     7/7	00:00	     133,042	2,111,777	+2.09	hxg3 hxg3 Rb2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Be6
     8/9	00:00	     161,253	2,150,040	+1.93	hxg3 hxg3 Rb2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Be6 Qh2+ Kf1
     9/20	00:00	     187,541	2,155,643	+1.79	hxg3 hxg3 Rb2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Be6 Qh2+ Kf1 Rh4 Bh3
    10/20	00:00	     214,957	2,193,438	+1.70	hxg3 hxg3 Rb2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Be6 Qh2+ Kf1 Rh4 Ke1 Qh1+ Kd2 Qxg2+ Kc1
    11/20	00:00	     250,376	2,255,639	+2.25	hxg3 hxg3 Ra2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Be6 Qh2+ Kf1 Rh4 Bh3 Rxh3 gxh3 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxe4+ Kd2 Ne5 Kc1 f3
    12/20	00:00	     293,926	2,314,377	+1.52	hxg3 hxg3 Rb2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Ne5+ Kd4 Qf3 Be6 g2 Bxg4
    13/25	00:00	     978,960	2,845,813	-0.41	hxg3 hxg3 Ra2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Ke1 Qg1+ Kd2 Qh2+ Kc1 g2 Qf3 Ne5 Qf2 f3
    14/37	00:00	   1,067,681	2,862,415	+0.22	hxg3 hxg3 Ra2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Qf3+ Kc2 Qxb3+ Kxb3 f3 Kc3 g2 Rg1 Rf4 Raxg2 fxg2 Rxg2 Rf3+ Kb4 Ne5 Rg8 Nd3+ Kb3 Ne5+ Kc2 Rf2+ Kd1 Ra2 Ra8 Ra1+ Kc2
    15/37	00:01	   1,232,847	2,853,812	-0.46	hxg3 hxg3 Ra2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Qf3+ Kc2 Qxb3+ Kxb3 f3 Kc3 f2 Rc1 Kg5 c5 bxc5
    16/37	00:01	   1,390,548	2,826,317	-0.54	hxg3 hxg3 Ra2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Qf3+ Kc2 Qxb3+ Kxb3 f3 Kc3 Ne5 Kd4 g2 Rg1 Rg3 Rf2 Ng4
    17/41	00:01	   1,834,540	2,889,039	-0.27	hxg3 hxg3 Ra2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Qf3+ Kc2 Qxb3+ Kxb3 f3 Kc3 Ne5 Be6 Rxe4 Rg1 f2 Rxg3 Re3+ Rxe3 f1Q Rae2 Kg5 Bd5 Qc1+ Kb3 Kf4 Re4+ Kg5 Rg2+ Kf6 Rf2+ Kg6
    18/49	00:01	   3,242,149	3,129,487	-0.50	hxg3 hxg3 Ra2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Qf3+ Kc2 Qxb3+ Kxb3 f3 Kc3 Kg5 Kd4 f2 Be6 Rf4 Bh3 Rh4 Bf5 Ne5 Ke3 Nxc4+ Kd4
    19/49	00:01	   3,373,469	3,123,582	-0.49	hxg3 hxg3 Ra2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Qf3+ Kc2 Qxb3+ Kxb3 f3 Kc3 Kg5 Kd4 f2 Be6 Rf4 Ra3 g2 Rg3+ Kf6 Rxg2 f1Q Rxf1 Rxf1 Bg4 Ne5 Rg3
    20/49	00:02	   4,993,609	3,192,844	-0.24	hxg3 hxg3 Ra2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Qf3+ Kc2 Qxb3+ Kxb3 f3 e5 Nxe5 Rf1 Rd4 Bxf3 Rd3+ Kb4 Nxf3 Rg2 Nh4 Rgg1 g2 Rf8 Re3 Ra8 Re2 Rxa7 Nf3
    21/49	00:02	   5,343,483	3,126,672	-0.08	hxg3 hxg3 Ra2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Qf3+ Kc2 Qxb3+ Kxb3 f3 e5 Nxe5 Rf1 f2 Kc3 Kg5 Kd2 Rxc4 Ke2 Rc5 Ra3 Rxd5 Rxg3+ Kf4 Rg7 Ng4 Rxc7 Re5+ Kd2 Kg3 Rxa7 Kg2 Rxf2+ Kxf2 Rf7+ Kg3 Rd7 Ne3
    22/51	00:02	   6,760,633	2,956,114	-0.12	hxg3 hxg3 Ra2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Qf3+ Kc2 Qxb3+ Kxb3 f3 e5 Nxe5 Rf1 f2 Kc3 Ng6 Kd2 Kg5 Raa1 Ne7 Bg2 Nf5 Ke2 Rxc4 Rfc1 Nd4+ Kf1 Rc5 Rxc5+ dxc5
    23/51	00:03	   7,854,654	2,882,441	-0.09	hxg3 hxg3 Ra2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Qf3+ Kc2 Qxb3+ Kxb3 f3 e5 Nxe5 Rf1 g2 Rg1 Rg3 Rf2 Rh3 Kc2 Kh5 Bxf3+ Nxf3 Rfxg2 Nxg1 Rxg1 Rh4 Kc3 Rg4 Rf1 Rg3+ Kd4 Rg2 Rf7
    24/51	00:03	   8,924,938	2,849,597	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Ra2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Qf3+ Kc2 Qxb3+ Kxb3 f3 e5 Nxe5 Rf1 g2 Rg1 Rg3 Rf2 Rh3 Kc2 Kh7 Be4+ Kh6 Bd5
    25/56	00:10	  24,689,428	2,549,770	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Ke1 Rg5 Rd2 Rxe5+ Kd1 Qh1+ Kc2 Re1 Qa3 Ra1 Qb2 g2 Rh3+ Qxh3 Qxa1 Qf5+ Kb3 f3 Qg1 Ne5 Rd1 Qf4 Qf2 Kg5 Kc3 Qg4 Qe3+ Qf4 Qf2
    26/56	00:15	  41,831,845	2,756,810	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Qc3 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Rxe5 Kd4 Qe2 Qd3 Qb2+ Qc3 Qe2
    27/56	00:26	  69,664,024	2,724,337	-0.47	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nf4 Bc6 Kf5 Bf3 Ke5 Be4 Ne6 Bd5 Ng5 Bc6 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4
    28/56	00:27	  72,364,684	2,735,594	-0.48	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nf4 Kf3 Nxd5 cxd5 Kf5 Kxg3 Ke4 Kh4 Kxd5 g4 Ke6 g5 d5 Kg4 d4 Kf4 Kd5 g6
    29/56	00:30	  78,565,360	2,667,663	-0.06	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kf6 Be4 Ke6 Bc6 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Bd5+ Kd7 Kf3 c6 bxc6+ Nxc6 Kxg3 Nb4 Bb7 Nd3 Be4 Nc5 Kf4 Nxa6 g4
    30/62	00:36	  92,864,101	2,581,853	-0.02	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kg6 Bb7 Nf5 Kf4 Kf6 Bd5 Nd4 Ke4 Ne6 Kf3 Ke5 Bxe6 Kxe6
    31/65	00:43	 115,757,292	2,679,132	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kg6 Bb7 Nf5 Kf4 Kf6 Bd5 Nd4 Bb7 Ne2+ Kf3 Nc3 Kf4 Ke6 Bc8+ Kf6 Bb7
    32/65	00:46	 123,796,167	2,694,208	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    33/65	00:58	 159,394,700	2,762,760	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    34/65	01:09	 190,928,615	2,786,953	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    35/65	01:28	 249,023,271	2,828,974	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    36/65	01:38	 272,434,582	2,794,401	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    37/65	02:12	 364,449,262	2,757,344	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    38/65	03:02	 480,910,572	2,638,205	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    39/65	04:11	 651,430,465	2,593,181	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    40/65	04:31	 717,918,907	2,646,178	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    41/65	05:29	 857,607,378	2,606,281	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    42/65	08:10	1,254,619,504	2,558,536	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    43/65	09:36	1,478,874,065	2,566,790	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    44/65	14:30	2,280,500,786	2,621,156	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    45/65	17:42	2,863,084,907	2,696,078	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    46/65	20:06	3,315,592,083	2,749,187	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    47/65	28:31	4,865,776,956	2,844,123	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    48/65	35:22	6,053,563,751	2,853,247	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    49/65	45:49	8,133,400,327	2,958,362	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    50/65	53:33	9,669,925,478	3,009,953	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    51/65	1:07:21	12,336,799,768	3,053,242	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    52/65	1:31:42	17,173,361,139	3,121,134	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
    53/65	1:57:05	22,136,609,048	3,151,376	 0.00	hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Re1 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Rxe5+ Re3 Rxe3+ Qxe3 Qxe1+ Kxe1 fxe3 Ke2 Kg5 Kxe3 Nh4 Bb7 Kf5 Bd5 Kg4 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Kf5 Kd4 Kg4 Ke3 Nf5+ Ke4 Ne7 Be6+ Kh5 Bf7+ Kh6 Bd5 Kg5 Bb7 Kg4 Bd5 Ng6 Be6+ Kg5 Bd5 Ne7
   9/27/2016 4:44:03 PM, Time for this analysis: 02:00:00, Rated time: 2:00:00
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Re: Chessmaster v Christiansen test position (2002)

Post by royb »

Analysis of position before ...Rg3 was played by SF 160921:

... <snip of lower depth analysis>

38 +0.00 53.... Rg3 54.hxg3 hxg3 55.Rf3 Rg4 56.Kg1 Qh5 57.e5 Rg5 58.Re1 Qh2+ 59.Kf1 Qh1+ 60.Ke2 Rxe5+ 61.Re3 Rxe3+ 62.Qxe3 Qxe1+ 63.Kxe1 fxe3 64.Ke2 Nh4 65.Kxe3 Kg5 66.Be4 Kg4 67.Bd5 Nf5+ 68.Ke4 Kg5 69.Kf3 Nh4+ 70.Kxg3 Ng6 71.Bf7 Ne5 72.Bd5 Kf5 73.Kh4 Ng6+ 74.Kg3 Ne5 (195.99)

39 +0.00 53.... Rg3 54.hxg3 hxg3 55.Rf3 Rg4 56.Kg1 Qh5 57.e5 Rg5 58.Re1 Qh2+ 59.Kf1 Qh1+ 60.Ke2 Rxe5+ 61.Re3 Rxe3+ 62.Qxe3 Qxe1+ 63.Kxe1 fxe3 64.Ke2 Nh4 65.Kxe3 Kg5 66.Be4 Kg4 67.Bd5 Nf5+ 68.Ke4 Kg5 69.Kf3 Nh4+ 70.Kxg3 Ng6 71.Bf7 Ne5 72.Bd5 Kf5 73.Kh4 Ng6+ 74.Kg3 Ne5 (248.75)

40 -0.07 53.... Qf6 (390.22)
40 -0.14 53.... Qf6 (497.58)
40 -0.07 53.... Qf6 54.c5 (605.29)
40 +0.00 53.... Qf6 54.c5 Rg3 55.Qb2 Qxb2 56.Rxb2 Re3 57.cxd6 cxd6 58.Rbd2 h3 59.gxh3 Ne5 60.Be6 f3 61.Bf5 Kh5 62.Rxd6 Re2 63.Bg4+ Rxg4 64.hxg4+ Nxg4 65.R6d2 Nf2+ 66.Kg1 Nxd1 67.Rxd1 Kg4 68.e5 Rg2+ 69.Kf1 Rxh2 70.Rd7 Kf4 71.Rc7 Ke3 72.Rc3+ Kf4 73.Rc7 (678.74)

41 -0.07 53.... Qf6 (807.83)
41 -0.14 53.... Qf6 (854.49)
41 -0.07 53.... Qf6 54.c5 (944.15)
41 -0.07 53.... Qf6 54.c5 Rg3 55.Qb2 Qxb2 56.Rxb2 Rc3 57.cxd6 cxd6 58.Rf2 h3 59.gxh3 f3 60.Rff1 Kg7 61.Rc1 Rxc1 62.Rxc1 Nf4 63.h4 Rg2 64.Rg1 Kh6 65.Rxg2 fxg2+ 66.Kg1 Kh5 67.Bb3 Kg4 68.Bd1+ Kxh4 69.Bb3 Kh3 70.Bd1 Nd3 71.Bf3 Ne1 72.Bd1 Kh4 73.Bb3 Kg5 74.Bd5 Kf4 75.Bc6 Kg4 76.Bb7 (959.45)

42 +0.00 53.... Qf6 54.c5 (1038.14)
42 +0.00 53.... Qf6 54.c5 Rg3 55.Qb2 Qxb2 56.Rxb2 Rc3 57.cxd6 cxd6 58.Rf2 h3 59.gxh3 f3 60.Rff1 Re3 61.Be6 Ne5 62.Bg4 Rg6 63.Rc1 Rg5 64.Rc7 Re2 65.Rxa7 Nxg4 66.hxg4 Rxb5 67.Ra8 Rbb2 68.Rh8+ Kg7 69.Rh5 Ra2 70.Rh3 Rf2 71.Kg1 Rg2+ 72.Kh1 Rgf2 (1069.77)

43 +0.00 53.... Qf6 54.c5 Rg3 55.Qb2 Qxb2 56.Rxb2 Rc3 57.cxd6 cxd6 58.Rf2 h3 59.gxh3 f3 60.Rff1 Re3 61.Be6 Ne5 62.Bg4 Rg6 63.Rc1 Rg5 64.Rc7 Re2 65.Rxa7 Nxg4 66.hxg4 Rxb5 67.Ra8 Rbb2 68.Rh8+ Kg7 69.Rh5 Ra2 70.Rh3 Rf2 71.Kg1 Rg2+ 72.Kh1 Rgf2 (1212.03)

44 +0.00 53.... Qf6 54.c5 Rg3 55.Qb2 Qxb2 56.Rxb2 Rc3 57.cxd6 cxd6 58.Rf2 h3 59.gxh3 f3 60.Rff1 Re3 61.Be6 Ne5 62.Bg4 Rg6 63.Rc1 Rg5 64.Rc7 Re2 65.Rxa7 Nxg4 66.hxg4 Rxb5 67.Ra8 Rbb2 68.Rh8+ Kg7 69.Rh5 Ra2 70.Kg1 Rg2+ 71.Kh1 Rxg4 72.Rf5 Rxa6 73.R5xf3 b5 74.Rf7+ Kh6 75.Rb7 Rxe4 76.Rxb5 Ra2 77.Rd5 Ree2 78.Rxd6+ Kg5 79.Rd5+ Kg4 80.Rd4+ Kg5 81.Rg1+ Kh5 82.Rd5+ Kh4 83.Rd4+ Kh5 (1995.52)

45 +0.00 53.... Qf6 54.c5 Rg3 55.Qb2 Qxb2 56.Rxb2 Rc3 57.cxd6 cxd6 58.Rf2 h3 59.gxh3 f3 60.Rff1 Re3 61.Be6 Ne5 62.Bg4 Rg6 63.Rc1 Rg5 64.Rc7 Re2 65.Rxa7 Nxg4 66.hxg4 Rxb5 67.Ra8 Rbb2 68.Rh8+ Kg7 69.Rh5 Ra2 70.Kg1 Rg2+ 71.Kh1 Rxg4 72.Rf5 Rxa6 73.R5xf3 b5 74.Rf7+ Kh6 75.Rb7 Rxe4 76.Rxb5 Ra2 77.Rd5 Ree2 78.Rxd6+ Kg5 79.Rd5+ Kg4 80.Rd4+ Kg5 81.Rg1+ Kh5 82.Rd5+ Kh4 83.Rg7 Re1+ 84.Rg1 Rxg1+ 85.Kxg1 (2299.56)

46 -0.07 53.... Qf6 (2538.33)
46 -0.14 53.... Qf6 (3062.56)
46 -0.07 53.... Qf6 54.c5 (3606.59)
46 -0.05 53.... Qf6 54.c5 Rg3 55.Qb2 Qxb2 56.Rxb2 Rc3 57.cxd6 cxd6 58.Be6 Ne5 59.Rf2 Nd3 60.Rf3 Nb2 61.Rdf1 Rxf3 62.Rxf3 Rc5 63.Kg1 Kg5 64.g3 fxg3 65.hxg3 hxg3 66.Rxg3+ Kf4 67.Rg4+ Ke3 68.Rg7 Rxb5 69.Rxa7 Ra5 70.Rd7 Rxa6 71.Rxd6 Kxe4 72.Kg2 Ke5 73.Rc6 Kd4 74.Bb3 Ke3 75.Re6+ Kd3 76.Rc6 Kd4 77.Kf3 Nd3 78.Rc4+ Ke5 79.Rc6 Nf4 80.Kg4 (4053.76)

47 -0.12 53.... Qf6 (4920.15)
47 -0.20 53.... Qf6 (5611.26)
47 -0.12 53.... Qf6 54.c5 (6355.19)
47 +0.00 53.... Qf6 54.Qh3 Ne5 55.Rdf1 Rg6 56.Bb7 f3 57.gxf3 Rf4 58.Bc8 Nxc4 59.Bf5 Rg7 60.Re2 Qc3 61.Rg2 Ne3 62.Rxg7 Qxg7 63.Rg1 Qd4 64.Rg6+ Kh5 65.Rg1 Kh6 (7744.09)

48 +0.00 53.... Qf6 54.Qh3 Ne5 55.Rdf1 Rg6 56.Bb7 f3 57.gxf3 Rf4 58.Bc8 Nxc4 59.Bf5 Rg7 60.Re2 Qc3 61.Rg2 Ne3 62.Rxg7 Qxg7 63.Rg1 Qd4 64.Rg6+ Kh5 65.Rg1 Kh6 (8289.69)

49 +0.00 53.... Qf6 54.Qh3 Ne5 55.Rdf1 Rg6 56.Bb7 f3 57.gxf3 Rf4 58.Bc8 Nxc4 59.Bf5 Rg7 60.Re2 Qc3 61.Rg2 Ne3 62.Rxg7 Qxg7 63.Rg1 Qd4 64.Rg6+ Kh5 65.Rg1 Kh6 (9229.83)

50 +0.00 53.... Qf6 54.Qh3 Ne5 55.Rdf1 Rg6 56.Bb7 f3 57.gxf3 Rf4 58.Bc8 Nxc4 59.Bf5 Rg7 60.Re2 Qc3 61.Rg2 Ne3 62.Rxg7 Qxg7 63.Rg1 Qd4 64.Rg6+ Kh5 65.Rg1 Kh6 (9888.31)

51 +0.00 53.... Qf6 54.Qh3 Ne5 55.Rdf1 Rg6 56.Bb7 f3 57.gxf3 Rf4 58.Bc8 Nxc4 59.Bf5 Rg7 60.Re2 Qc3 61.Rg2 Ne3 62.Rxg7 Qxg7 63.Rg1 Qd4 64.Rg6+ Kh5 65.Rg1 Kh6 (10484.00)

52 +0.00 53.... Qf6 54.Qh3 Ne5 55.Rdf1 Rg6 56.Bb7 f3 57.gxf3 Rf4 58.Bc8 Nxc4 59.Bf5 Rg7 60.Re2 Qc3 61.Rg2 Ne3 62.Rxg7 Qxg7 63.Rg1 Qd4 64.Rg6+ Kh5 65.Rg1 Kh6 (11720.70)

Depth reached was 52/83.

This SF thinks that the best that Black has is a draw with ...Qf6 as the first move after 11,720 seconds of "thought" on a single core i7 2.8 GHz CPU.

It seems most everyone that ran this through SF is coming to the same conclusion -- a draw is what seems most likely. It would be nice to know what Larry C thought he saw in this position.
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Re: Chessmaster v Christiansen test position (2002)

Post by Dann Corbit »

Here is the position analyzed before the key move was played.
It appears that (according to SF) the best move is Qf6 which draws. It appears that Rg3 and Rh5 also draw.

Since most everyone chose SF, maybe we should re-examine with a different engine.

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    Avoid move&#58; 
    Best move &#40;Stockfish-x64-crusty2&#41;&#58; Qe5-f6
    Not found in&#58; 2&#58;00&#58;00
     2/2	00&#58;00	       7,951	1,135,857	-0.13	Ne7 h3 Rg3
     3/3	00&#58;00	      26,690	1,668,125	-0.39	Qf6 h3 Rg3
     4/4	00&#58;00	      44,877	1,869,875	-0.72	Qf6 Bb7 Qd8 Rdf1
     5/5	00&#58;00	      65,284	1,920,117	-0.67	Kh7 Rdf1 Qf6 Qf3 Ne5
     6/6	00&#58;00	      86,253	1,960,295	-0.35	Qf6 Rdf1 Qd4 Qc2 h3 gxh3 Rh4
     7/7	00&#58;00	     106,461	2,008,698	-0.42	Qf6 Bb7 Qh8 c5 bxc5 Qe6 Qc3
     8/8	00&#58;00	     133,489	2,053,676	-0.54	Rh5 Qh3 Rhg5 Qd3 Ne7 Qf3 Nxd5 cxd5
     9/9	00&#58;00	     154,012	2,053,493	-0.64	Rh5 Qh3 Rhg5 Qd3 Kh7 Rdf1 Qf6 Qe2 h3
    10/11	00&#58;00	     197,505	2,123,709	-0.43	Qf6 Rdf1 Qd4 h3 Rg3 Qc2 Qe5 Rd1 Re3 Rdf1
    11/14	00&#58;00	     264,705	2,224,411	-0.54	Qf6 Bb7 Qh8 c5 dxc5 Bd5 f3 gxf3 Rf4 Be6 Rf6 Bf5 Ne5
    12/19	00&#58;00	     428,234	2,419,401	-0.61	Qf6 Rdf1 Qd4 Qh3 Ne5 Be6 Qe3 Bxg4 Rxg4 Rc2 Qxe4 Qb3 Rg6 h3
    13/19	00&#58;00	     479,780	2,447,857	-0.39	Qf6 Rdf1 Qd4 Qh3 Ne5 Be6 Qxe4 Bxg4 Rxg4 Qc3 Qe3 Qb2 h3 gxh3 Rh4 Qc2 f3
    14/23	00&#58;00	   1,128,467	2,725,765	 0.00	Rh5 c5 bxc5 Qh3 Rhg5 Qb3 Rh5
    15/23	00&#58;00	   1,549,646	2,772,175	 0.00	Rh5 Rf3 Rhg5 Rf2
    16/23	00&#58;00	   1,571,174	2,756,445	 0.00	Rh5 Rf3 Rhg5 Rf2
    17/23	00&#58;00	   1,632,427	2,752,827	 0.00	Rh5 Rf3 Rhg5 Rf2
    18/23	00&#58;00	   1,736,188	2,734,154	 0.00	Rh5 Rf3 Rhg5 Rf2
    19/23	00&#58;00	   1,896,184	2,744,115	 0.00	Rh5 Rf3 Rhg5 Rf2
    20/23	00&#58;00	   2,036,902	2,741,456	 0.00	Rh5 Rf3 Rhg5 Rf2
    21/23	00&#58;00	   2,429,405	2,782,823	 0.00	Rh5 Rf3 Rhg5 Rf2
    22/23	00&#58;01	   3,289,082	2,828,101	 0.00	Rh5 Rf3 Rhg5 Rf2
    23/23	00&#58;01	   4,213,094	2,899,582	 0.00	Rh5 Rf3 Rhg5 Rf2
    24/23	00&#58;01	   5,064,333	2,910,536	 0.00	Rh5 Rf3 Rhg5 Rf2
    25/23	00&#58;02	   7,818,633	2,948,202	 0.00	Rh5 Rf3 Rhg5 Rf2
    26/23	00&#58;03	  11,808,141	3,020,757	 0.00	Rh5 Rf3 Rhg5 Rf2
    27/54	00&#58;11	  38,667,692	3,253,486	+0.51	Rg3 hxg3 hxg3 Ra2 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Qh3 Kc2 Qh2+ Kb1 g2 e5 g1Q Rxh2+ Qxh2 exd6 cxd6 Qd3 Qf2 Be4 Rg3 Rh1+ Kg7 Qd5 Rg1+ Rxg1 Qxg1+ Kc2 Qf2+ Kb3 Ne5 Qb7+ Kf6 Qd5 Qg3+ Ka4 f3 Qd4
    28/62	00&#58;37	 126,301,078	3,370,995	 0.00	Rg3 hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Qc3 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Rxe5 Kd4 Qe2 Qd3 Qb2+ Qc3 Qe2
    29/62	00&#58;39	 134,123,413	3,383,793	 0.00	Rg3 hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Qc3 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Nxe5+ Kd4 Nxf3+ Qxf3 Qb2+ Kd3 Qb3+ Kd2 Qb2+ Kd3
    30/62	00&#58;48	 166,416,473	3,424,911	 0.00	Rg3 hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Qc3 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Nxe5+ Kd4 Nxf3+ Qxf3 Qb2+ Kd3 Qb3+ Kd2 Qb2+ Kd3
    31/62	01&#58;07	 234,447,735	3,475,153	 0.00	Rg3 hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Qc3 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Nxe5+ Kd4 Nxf3+ Qxf3 Qb2+ Kd3 Qb3+ Kd2 Qb2+ Kd3
    32/63	01&#58;26	 299,760,124	3,454,452	 0.00	Rg3 hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Qc3 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Nxe5+ Kd4 Nxf3+ Qxf3 Qb2+ Kd3 Qb3+ Kd2 Qb2+ Kd3
    33/63	01&#58;36	 331,949,551	3,430,400	 0.00	Rg3 hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Qc3 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Nxe5+ Kd4 Nxf3+ Qxf3 Qb2+ Kd3 Qb3+ Kd2 Qb2+ Kd3
    34/63	01&#58;45	 361,398,791	3,436,296	 0.00	Rg3 hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Qc3 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Nxe5+ Kd4 Nxf3+ Qxf3 Qb2+ Kd3 Qb3+ Kd2 Qb2+ Kd3
    35/63	02&#58;26	 508,562,048	3,469,305	 0.00	Rg3 hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Qc3 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Nxe5+ Kd4 Nxf3+ Qxf3 Qb2+ Kd3 Qb3+ Kd2 Qb2+ Kd3
    36/63	02&#58;57	 615,057,016	3,476,292	 0.00	Rg3 hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Qc3 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Nxe5+ Kd4 Nxf3+ Qxf3 Qb2+ Kd3 Qb3+ Kd2 Qb2+ Kd3
    37/63	03&#58;45	 785,180,236	3,480,918	 0.00	Rg3 hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Qc3 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Nxe5+ Kd4 Nxf3+ Qxf3 Qb2+ Kd3 Qb3+ Kd2 Qb2+ Kd3
    38/63	04&#58;24	 910,930,627	3,444,480	 0.00	Rg3 hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Qc3 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Nxe5+ Kd4 Nxf3+ Qxf3 Qb2+ Kd3 Qb3+ Kd2 Qb2+ Kd3
    39/63	06&#58;08	1,275,388,413	3,459,900	 0.00	Rg3 hxg3 hxg3 Rf3 Rg4 Kg1 Qh5 e5 Rg5 Qc3 Qh2+ Kf1 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxg2+ Kd3 Nxe5+ Kd4 Nxf3+ Qxf3 Qb2+ Kd3 Qb3+ Kd2 Qb2+ Kd3
    40/63	22&#58;45	4,459,205,133	3,266,625	 0.00	Qf6 c5 Rg3 Qb2 Qxb2 Rxb2 Rc3 cxb6 cxb6 Be6 Rgc5 Rbd2 Rc1 h3 Ne5 Rxc1 Rxc1+ Kh2 Kg5 Rxd6 f3 gxf3 Rc2+ Kg1 Nxf3+ Kf1 Nd2+ Ke1 Nxe4 Rd4 Nf6 Bc4 Rb2 Kd1 Rh2 Bf1 Rb2 Bc4
    41/63	24&#58;53	4,868,297,034	3,259,490	 0.00	Qf6 c5 Rg3 Qb2 Qxb2 Rxb2 Rc3 cxb6 cxb6 Be6 Rgc5 Rbd2 Rc1 h3 Ne5 Rxc1 Rxc1+ Kh2 Kg5 Rxd6 f3 gxf3 Rc2+ Kg1 Nxf3+ Kf1 Kf4 Bg4 Nh2+ Kg1 Nxg4 hxg4 Rb2 Rd7 Kg3 Rd3+ Kxg4 Rd7 Rxb5 Rxa7 Ra5 Rg7+ Kf3 a7 Kxe4 Rh7 Ra2 Rxh4+
    42/63	29&#58;15	5,730,414,018	3,264,940	 0.00	Qf6 c5 Rg3 Qb2 Qxb2 Rxb2 Rc3 cxb6 cxb6 Be6 Rgc5 Rbd2 Rc1 h3 Ne5 Rxc1 Rxc1+ Kh2 Kg5 Rxd6 f3 gxf3 Rc2+ Kg1 Nxf3+ Kf1 Kf4 Bg4 Nh2+ Kg1 Nxg4 hxg4 Rb2 Rd7 Kg3 Rd3+ Kxg4 Rd7 Rxb5 Rxa7 Ra5 Rg7+ Kf3 a7 Kxe4 Rh7 Ra2 Rxh4+
    43/63	32&#58;50	6,403,444,891	3,250,134	 0.00	Qf6 c5 Rg3 Qb2 Qxb2 Rxb2 Rc3 cxb6 cxb6 Be6 Rgc5 Rbd2 Rc1 h3 Ne5 Rxc1 Rxc1+ Kh2 Kg5 Rxd6 f3 gxf3 Rc2+ Kg1 Nxf3+ Kf1 Kf4 Bg4 Nh2+ Kg1 Nxg4 hxg4 Rb2 Rd7 Kg3 Rd3+ Kxg4 Rd7 Rxb5 Rxa7 Ra5 Rg7+ Kf3 a7 Kxe4 Rh7 Ra2 Rxh4+
    44/63	42&#58;50	8,285,001,742	3,223,040	+0.07	Qf6 c5 Rg3 Qb2 Qxb2 Rxb2 Rc3 cxb6 cxb6 Be6 Rgc5 Rbd2 Rc1 h3 Rxd1+ Rxd1 Rxb5 Rxd6 Kg5 Rd7 f3 gxf3 Kf4 Kg2 Ne5 Rxa7 Rb2+ Kf1 Kxf3 Kg1 Rg2+ Kf1 Rc2 Kg1 Kf4 Kf1 Ke3 Bg4 Ra2 Bh5 Ra1+ Kg2 b5 Rb7 Rxa6 Rxb5 Ra2+ Kf1 Kf4 Rb3 Nc4 Ke1 Nd2 Rd3 Nxe4 Bg4 Rf2 Rd7
    45/70	54&#58;32	10,398,533,950	3,177,379	+0.03	Qf6 c5 Rg3 Qb2 Qxb2 Rxb2 Rc3 cxb6 cxb6 Be6 Rgc5 Rbd2 Rc1 h3 Rxd1+ Rxd1 Rxb5 Rxd6 Kg5 Rd7 f3 gxf3 Kf4 Kg2 Ne5 Rxa7 Rb2+ Kf1 Kxf3 Kg1 Rg2+ Kf1 Rc2 Kg1 Kf4 Kf1 Ke3 Bg4 Ra2 Kg1 Ra1+ Kg2 b5 Rb7 Rxa6 Rxb5 Ra2+ Kg1 Kf4 Rb3 Nc4 Rb7 Ra3 Be6 Nd2 Rf7+ Ke5 Bg4 Nxe4 Rh7 Kd5 Rxh4 Rg3+ Kh2
    46/78	1&#58;15&#58;50	14,488,220,085	3,184,120	 0.00	Qf6 c5 Rg3 Qb2 Qxb2 Rxb2 Rc3 cxb6 cxb6 Be6 Rgc5 Rbd2 Rc1 h3 Rxd1+ Rxd1 Rxb5 Rxd6 Kg5 Rd7 f3 gxf3 Kf4 Kg2 Ne5 Rxa7 Rb2+ Kf1 Kxf3 Kg1 Rg2+ Kf1 Rc2 Kg1 Kf4 Kf1 Ke3 Bg4 Ra2 Kg1 Ra1+ Kg2 b5 Rb7 Ra2+ Kg1 Rxa6 Rxb5 Kf4 Kg2 Ra2+ Kf1 Ra1+ Kg2 Ra7 Rb2 Rg7 Rb3 Kxe4 Kh2 Rh7 Rb4+ Ke3 Bf5 Nf3+ Kg2 Rg7+ Rg4 Rxg4+ hxg4
    47/78	1&#58;23&#58;47	16,001,496,197	3,182,843	 0.00	Qf6 c5 Rg3 Qb2 Qxb2 Rxb2 Rc3 cxd6 cxd6 Be6 Re3 h3 Rxe4 Bd5 Ree5 Bc6 d5 Rf2 Rgf5 Kh2 Rg5 Kh1
    48/78	1&#58;50&#58;12	20,783,235,877	3,143,176	 0.00	Qf6 c5 Rg3 Qb2 Qxb2 Rxb2 Rc3 cxd6 cxd6 Be6 Re3 h3 Rxe4 Bd5 Ree5 Bc6 d5 Kh2 Ne7 Rf2 Re4 Rfd2 Rg6 Bd7 Rg7 Rc2 Rc4 Re2 Re4 Rc2
   9/27/2016 6&#58;44&#58;04 PM, Time for this analysis&#58; 02&#58;00&#58;00, Rated time&#58; 4&#58;00&#58;00

0 of 2 matching moves
9/27/2016 6&#58;44&#58;06 PM, Total time&#58; 4&#58;00&#58;05 AM
Rated time&#58; 4&#58;00&#58;00 = 14400 Seconds
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Re: Chessmaster v Christiansen test position (2002)

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Re: Chessmaster v Christiansen test position (2002)

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JVMerlino wrote:I've dug this one up a few times since it was played almost fourteen years ago, and I don't think any engine definitively answered the question one way or another. It's been a few years since I last posted it, so I guess it's about time again....

This is a position from round 3 of Chessmaster vs. GM Larry Christiansen:

[D]8/p1p5/Pp1p2nk/1P1Bq1r1/2P1Pprp/1Q6/5RPP/3R3K b - - 0 53

At this point, Larry played 53...Rg3?! Afterwards, he claimed it was winning. But unfortunately he blundered later on in the game and lost.

But with today's powerful engines and hardware (neither of which I have), I would very much appreciate it if any of you could run this position and see if any engine can find a win for black AFTER playing Rg3. Bonus if an engine actually DOES play Rg3!

Here's the game, for your amusement:

[Event "ICC 2 120 u"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2002.09.29"]
[Round "3"]
[White "CM9000 (Botvinnik)"]
[Black "LarryC"]
[TimeControl "120+120"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A28"]

1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.d4 exd4 5.Nxd4 Bb4 6.Bg5 h6 7.Bh4 Bxc3+
8.bxc3 Ne5 9.e3 d6 10.Be2 Ng6 11.Bxf6 Qxf6 12.O-O O-O 13.Qc2 Re8 14.Rfd1
Nf8 15.Bd3 Ne6 16.Nb3 Rb8 17.a4 Qe7 18.a5 Bd7 19.a6 b6 20.Nd4 Nc5 21.Nb5
Bxb5 22.cxb5 Qf6 23.Bc4 Re5 24.Bd5 Rbe8 25.Rd4 Ne6 26.Rd2 g6 27.Ra4 Kg7
28.Rd1 Re7 29.Rb4 g5 30.Bc6 Qg6 31.Qb2 f5 32.Qb1 Qf6 33.Bd5 f4 34.e4 Nf8
35.f3 h5 36.Qc2 Ng6 37.Qa2 Kh6 38.Qd2 Rg7 39.Qd4 g4 40.fxg4 Nh4 41.Rb2
Rxg4 42.Kh1 Ng6 43.Rf2 Qe7 44.Qd2 Reg5 45.Ra1 h4 46.c4 Qe5 47.Rc1 Kg7
48.Bc6 Qe7 49.Rcf1 Re5 50.Qc3 Kh6 51.Bd5 Reg5 52.Qb3 Qe5 53.Rd1 Rg3
54.hxg3 hxg3 55.Ra2 Rg4 56.Kg1 Qh5 57.Kf1 f3 58.Ke1 f2+ 59.Kd2 Rh4
60.Qe3+ Kg7 61.Rf1 Qe5 62.Kc2 Rh2 63.Qf3 Qf4 64.e5 Qxf3 65.Bxf3 Nxe5
66.Bd5 Rh5 67.Ra3 Rg5 68.Kd2 Ng6 69.Re3 Ne5 70.Ke2 Kf6 71.Rh1 Ng6 72.Rh7
1-0

Many thanks in advance,
jm
WaDuuttie indeed wants to play Rg3 but with a score dropping towards 0:

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  22	00&#58;39	  48,703,002	1,216,966	 0.00	h4h3 b3h3 g4h4 h3a3 f4f3 g2f3 e5g3 a3b2 g6f4 b2h8 h6g6 h8g8 g6h6 g8f8 h6h7 d1f1 g5h5 f8f7 h7h6 f7f8 h6h7
  23	00&#58;54	  66,498,407	1,218,365	+0.12	g4g3!
  23	01&#58;16	  93,038,542	1,209,392	+0.50	g4g3 h2g3 h4g3 f2a2 g5g4 h1g1 e5h5 g1f1 h5h1 f1e2 h1g2 e2d3 g2f3 d3c2 f3b3 c2b3 f4f3 d1f1 g3g2 f1g1 g6f4 e4e5 d6e5 d5f3 g4g3 a2g2 f4g2 g1g2 g3f3 b3b4 e5e4
  24	01&#58;50	 132,569,910	1,200,053	+0.80	g4g3 h2g3 h4g3 f2a2 g5g4 h1g1 e5h5 g1f1 h5h1 f1e2 h1g2 e2d3 g2f3 d3c2 f3b3 c2b3 f4f3 e4e5 g6e5 d1f1 f3f2 f1f2 g3f2 a2f2 h6g5 f2h2 g4h4 h2f2 h4h3 b3a4 h3e3 d5e6
  25	02&#58;06	 153,009,862	1,211,095	+0.82	g4g3 h2g3 h4g3 f2a2 g5g4 h1g1 e5h5 g1f1 h5h1 f1e2 h1g2 e2d3 g2f3 d3c2 f3b3 c2b3 f4f3 e4e5 g6e5 d1f1 f3f2 f1f2 g3f2 a2f2 h6g5 f2f1 g4g3 b3a4 g3h3 f1g1 g5f6 g1g2 h3h4 g2f2 f6e7
  26	02&#58;40	 195,946,298	1,217,738	+0.92	g4g3 h2g3 h4g3 f2a2 g5g4 h1g1 e5h5 g1f1 h5h1 f1e2 h1g2 e2d3 g2f3 d3c2 f3b3 c2b3 f4f3 e4e5 g6e5 d1f1 f3f2 f1f2 g3f2 a2f2 h6g5 f2f1 g4g3 b3a4 e5d3 a4b3 g3e3 f1g1 g5f4 g1f1 f4g4
  27	03&#58;04	 227,861,068	1,232,881	+0.84	g4g3 h2g3 h4g3 f2a2 g5g4 h1g1 e5h5 g1f1 h5h1 f1e2 h1g2 e2d3 g2f3 d3c2 f3b3 c2b3 f4f3 e4e5 g6e5 d1f1 f3f2 f1f2 g3f2 a2f2 h6g5 f2f1 g4g3 b3b4 g3e3 b4a4 e3e2 a4b4 e2h2 d5e6 h2h6
  28	04&#58;10	 308,777,867	1,230,877	+0.84	g4g3 h2g3 h4g3 f2a2 g5g4 h1g1 e5h5 g1f1 h5h1 f1e2 h1g2 e2d3 g2f3 d3c2 f3b3 c2b3 f4f3 e4e5 g6e5 d1f1 f3f2 f1f2 g3f2 a2f2 h6g5 f2h2 g4g3 b3b4 g5f6 h2f2 f6g6 f2h2 g6g7 b4a4 e5d3 a4b3 d3c5 b3c2
  29	07&#58;57	 580,212,157	1,215,002	+0.96	g4g3!
  29	17&#58;11	1,233,701,317	1,196,026	+1.30	g4g3 h2g3 h4g3 f2a2 g5h5 h1g1 h5h4 g1f1 f4f3 b3f3 h4f4 a2f2 f4f3 f2f3 e5h5 f1e1 h5h1 f3f1 h1g2 d1d2 g2h3 e4e5 g6h4 f1f6 h6g5 f6f8 h4g6 f8g8 h3h4 d2g2 d6e5 g8g7 h4g4
  30	19&#58;24	1,407,683,645	1,208,986	+1.28	g4g3 h2g3 h4g3 f2a2 g5h5 h1g1 h5h4 g1f1 f4f3 b3f3 h4f4 a2f2 f4f3 f2f3 e5h5 f1e1 h5h1 f3f1 h1g2 d1d2 g2h3 e4e5 g6h4 f1f6 h6g5 f6f8 h4g6 f8g8 h3h4 d2g2 d6e5 g8g7 h4f4 d5e6
  31	22&#58;13	1,623,870,638	1,326,269	+1.16	g4g3?
  31	30&#58;47	2,239,668,061	1,288,772	+0.36	g4g3 h2g3 h4g3 f2f3 g5g4 h1g1 e5h5 e4e5 g4g5 b3c3 h5h2 g1f1 h2h1 f1e2 h1g2 e2d3 g6e5 d3d4 e5f3 c3f3 g2b2 d4d3 b2b3 d3d2 b3f3 d5f3 h6g7 f3e4 g5e5 d2d3 g7f6 d1f1 f6g5 f1h1 e5e7 h1h8 g5f6 h8g8 f6e5 g8a8 c7c5
  32	35&#58;56	2,618,759,627	1,279,534	+0.48	g4g3 h2g3 h4g3 f2f3 g5g4 h1g1 e5h5 e4e5 g4g5 b3c3 h5h2 g1f1 h2h1 f1e2 h1g2 e2d3 g6e5 d3d4 e5f3 c3f3 g2b2 d4d3 b2b3 d3e4 b3c2 d1d3 c2c1 f3f4 c1f4 e4f4 g3g2 d5g2 g5g2 d3h3 h6g7 f4e4 g2g5 h3f3 g5h5 e4d3 g7g6 d3c3 h5h4 c3d3 h4g4 d3c3
  33	43&#58;32	3,190,964,502	1,510,387	+0.42	g4g3 h2g3 h4g3 f2f3 g5g4 h1g1 e5h5 e4e5 g4g5 b3c3 h5h2 g1f1 h2h1 f1e2 h1g2 e2d3 g6e5 d3d4 e5f3 c3f3 g2b2 d4d3 b2b3 d3e4 b3c2 d1d3 c2c1 f3f4 c1f4 e4f4 g3g2 d5g2 g5g2 d3h3 h6g7 f4e4 g2g5 h3f3 g5h5 e4d3 g7g6 d3c3 h5g5 f3f1 g5g3 c3d4 g6g5
  34	1&#58;00&#58;24	4,399,766,831	1,434,316	+0.40	g4g3 h2g3 h4g3 f2f3 g5g4 h1g1 e5h5 e4e5 g4g5 b3c3 h5h2 g1f1 h2h1 f1e2 h1g2 e2d3 g6e5 d3d4 e5f3 c3f3 g2b2 d4d3 b2b3 d3e4 b3c2 d1d3 c2c1 f3f4 c1f4 e4f4 g3g2 d5g2 g5g2 d3h3 h6g7 f4e4 g2g5 e4d4 g5f5 h3h1 g7g6 h1h3 f5g5 h3f3 g5e5 f3f2 g6g7 d4c3
I noticed that after 53...Rg3 54.hxg3 hxg3 WaDuuttie changed from 55.Ra2 to 55.Rf3. After 55.Ra2 (as played by CM9000) it seems 55...Rh5+ is indeed winning.
[d]8/p1p5/Pp1p2nk/1P1Bq1r1/2P1Pp2/1Q4p1/R5P1/3R3K b - - 1 55

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  32	1&#58;32&#58;02	7,072,561,533	1,285,027	+2.04	g5h5 h1g1 e5g5 g1f1 h5h2 d5e6 g5h5 f1e1 f4f3 b3e3 h6h7 d1a1 g6e5 e1d2 f3g2 d2c3 g2g1q a1g1 h2a2 c4c5 a2a3 e6b3 e5f3 c5b6 f3g1 b6c7 h5f7 c3b4 a3b3 e3b3 f7c7 b3g3 c7c5 b4a4 h7h6 g3d3 h6g7 a4b3 g7f6 d3c3 c5c3 b3c3 g1e2 c3d3 e2f4 d3e3
  33	1&#58;51&#58;07	8,522,164,615	1,281,669	+2.20	g5h5!
  33	2&#58;19&#58;39	10,779,405,378	1,289,314	+2.88	g5h5 h1g1 e5g5 g1f1 h5h2 d5e6 g5h5 f1e1 f4f3 b3e3 h6h7 d1a1 g6e5 e1d2 f3g2 d2c3 g2g1q a1g1 h2a2 c4c5 e5f3 e6a2 f3g1 c5b6 c7b6 a2g8 h7h8 g8c4 g1f3 c4f1 h5c5 e3c5 d6c5 f1h3 h8g7 c3c4 f3e1 e4e5 g3g2 h3g2 e1g2 e5e6 g7f6 c4d5
  34	3&#58;29&#58;17	16,195,638,545	1,340,863	+2.68	g5h5 h1g1 e5g5 g1f1 h5h2 d5e6 g5h5 f1e1 f4f3 b3e3 h6h7 d1a1 g6e5 e1d2 f3g2 d2c3 g2g1q a1g1 h2a2 c4c5 e5f3 e6a2 f3g1 c5b6 c7b6 a2g8 h7h8 g8c4 g1f3 e3f4 h5e5 f4e5 d6e5 c4f1 f3d4 c3c4 h8g7 f1g2 g7f6 g2h3 f6g5 h3g2 g5f4
Can SF confirm this ?
Nothing is unstable (Lawrence Krauss)
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Re: Chessmaster v Christiansen test position (2002)

Post by acase »

Hello Maarten,

It looks like you are right that 55.Ra2? wasn't the best move as far as Stockfish is concerned in the position you posted:



[d]8/p1p5/Pp1p2nk/1P1Bq1r1/2P1Pp2/1Q4p1/R5P1/3R3K b - - 1 55

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Stockfish_16092510_x64_bmi2&#58;

 37/78	04&#58;08	 8,127,415k	32,652k	+5.38	55. ... Rg5-h5+ 56.Kh1-g1 Qe5-g5 57.Kg1-f1 Rh5-h2 58.Kf1-e2 Rh2xg2+ 59.Ke2-d3 Ng6-e5+ 60.Kd3-d4 Rg2xa2 61.Qb3xa2 f4-f3 62.Qa2-a3 Kh6-g6 63.Qa3-e3 Qg5-h4 64.Bd5-e6 f3-f2 65.Rd1-f1 g3-g2 66.Be6-h3 Ne5-g4 67.Bh3xg2 Qh4-f6+ 68.Kd4-d3 Ng4xe3 69.Kd3xe3 Qf6-c3+ 70.Ke3xf2 Qc3xc4 71.Bg2-f3 Qc4-c5+ 72.Kf2-g3 Qc5xb5 73.Rf1-g1 Qb5xa6 74.Kg3-f4+ Kg6-f6 75.Bf3-h5 Qa6-a5 76.Rg1-g6+ Kf6-e7 77.Rg6-g7+ Ke7-d8 78.Rg7-g8+ Kd8-d7 79.Rg8-g7+ Kd7-c6 80.Bh5-e8+ Kc6-b7 81.Rg7-e7 Qa5-d2+ 82.Kf4-f5 a7-a5 83.e4-e5 Qd2-f2+ 84.Kf5-g6 Qf2-g3+ 85.Kg6-f5 Qg3-d3+ 86.Kf5-g5 Qd3-d4 87.Kg5-f5 a5-a4

 38/78	04&#58;38	 9,114,746k	32,725k	+5.45	55. ... Rg5-h5+ 56.Kh1-g1 Qe5-g5 57.Kg1-f1 Rh5-h2 58.Kf1-e2 Rh2xg2+ 59.Ke2-d3 Ng6-e5+ 60.Kd3-d4 Rg2xa2 61.Qb3xa2 f4-f3 62.Qa2-a3 Kh6-g6 63.Qa3-e3 Qg5-h4 64.Bd5-e6 f3-f2 65.Rd1-f1 g3-g2 66.Be6-h3 Ne5-g4 67.Bh3xg2 Qh4-f6+ 68.Kd4-d3 Ng4xe3 69.Kd3xe3 Qf6-c3+ 70.Ke3xf2 Qc3xc4 71.Bg2-f3 Qc4-c5+ 72.Kf2-e1 Qc5xb5 73.Bf3-e2 Qb5-b4+ 74.Ke1-f2 Qb4xe4 75.Rf1-g1+ Kg6-f6 76.Rg1-g3 Qe4-d4+ 77.Kf2-f1 d6-d5 78.Rg3-d3 Qd4-e4 79.Rd3-f3+ Kf6-e6 80.Rf3-f8 Qe4-h1+ 81.Kf1-f2 Qh1-h4+ 82.Kf2-f1 c7-c5 83.Rf8-a8 Qh4-h7 84.Kf1-e1 c5-c4

 39/78+	04&#58;55	 9,685,537k	32,723k	+5.52	55. ... Rg5-h5+

 39/78+	05&#58;05	 9,991,005k	32,752k	+5.59	55. ... Rg5-h5+

 39/78+	05&#58;24	 10,646,802k	32,781k	+5.70	55. ... Rg5-h5+