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Re: Deep Shredder 13 Windows out

Post by smk » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:14 am

Werner wrote:Hi Stefan,
what about using Shredderbases and SYZYGY Bases parallel ?
Are they both loaded into RAM?
Is it useful or do you prefer only SYZYGY?

I have a lot of engines installed. Is it possible to make an engine folder inside the GUI for 1CPU engines and use another one for 4CPU engines?

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Both Shredderbases and Syzygy bases have the same functionality. You should use whatever you have installed. If you add both Shredder will use just one of them (I am currently not sure which).

You can only have one engine folder. But one of the minor changes in the new GUI is that it can now deal with more installed engines. (If I remember right it was your suggestion to change that).

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Re: Deep Shredder 13 Windows out

Post by JJJ » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:35 am

334 elo could means above Stockfish 7 in CCRL.

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Re: Deep Shredder 13 Windows out

Post by supersharp77 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:35 am

smk wrote:
SzG wrote:Stefan, could you tell us the changes and new features of the GUI?
The engine was a complete rewrite, but also the GUI got some new features.

Shredder comes with more than 1000 built-in chess puzzles, there is a feature to learn and play certain openings. You can practice some endgames and play handicap matches with move or material advantage.

A few new hires piece sets and boards where added and the design is more modern and nicer.

Some more minor features have been added.

And even though some believe that the GUI is without bugs, many small and some larger bugs have been fixed.

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Re: Deep Shredder 13 Windows out

Post by pferd » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:56 am

Hi Stefan,

is there any chance that you will offer a stand-alone version of your engine?

I do not see the necessity of yet another gui for my personal use.

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Re: Deep Shredder 13 Windows out

Post by smk » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:03 am

SzG wrote: Stefan, two questions to this topic.

1. If both Shredderbases and syzygy are configured, will it switch to syzygy if it includes 6-man endgames while Shredderbases are only up to 5 men?
Yes, this should work.
SzG wrote: 2. I see engines folder is created under c:\Users\...\AppData\Local\ShredderChess\GUI13\Engines\. Can I use a different folder for them, e.g. the one I used with Shredder 12?
Sorry, the folder is fixed.

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Re: Deep Shredder 13 Windows out

Post by Guenther » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:31 am

JJJ wrote:334 elo could means above Stockfish 7 in CCRL.
According to Vincents GURL not yet.
http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59858

Notes:
- missing entry numbers are multi CPU tested versions
- the list was created in 2016/04

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   # PLAYER                                   :  RATING   POINTS  PLAYED   (%)
  14 Komodo 9.42 64-bit                       :  3439.6   3772.5    4575    82
  15 Stockfish 7 64-bit                       :  3437.0   6785.0    8472    80
  16 Komodo 9.3 64-bit                        :  3436.5   4085.5    5256    78
  18 Komodo 9.2 64-bit                        :  3435.4   6134.0    7655    80
  21 Komodo 9.4                               :  3426.7   1981.5    2700    73
  23 Komodo 9.1 64-bit                        :  3419.7   1687.5    2407    70
  24 Stockfish 7                              :  3417.6   1951.5    2700    72
  25 Komodo 9 64-bit                          :  3417.6   5496.0    6952    79
  27 Stockfish 6 64-bit                       :  3409.1   6416.0    8617    74
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  ** Shredder 13                              :  3373.2   **        **      ** => added 334 to S12
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  40 Komodo 8 64-bit                          :  3371.1   5639.0    7607    74
  43 Stockfish 5 64-bit                       :  3359.6   4772.5    6662    72
  54 Houdini 4 64-bit                         :  3340.8   9409.5   14194    66
  59 Komodo 7 64-bit                          :  3334.0   4249.0    6062    70
  63 Stockfish DD 64-bit                      :  3328.1   3814.5    5845    65
  75 Houdini 3.0 64-bit                       :  3313.1   5835.0    8936    65
  79 Houdini 4                                :  3311.2   1563.0    2700    58
  84 Komodo TCEC 64-bit                       :  3308.8   5183.5    7459    69
  97 Komodo 6 64-bit                          :  3297.3   4303.0    6558    66
 101 Fire 4 64-bit                            :  3291.4   4244.0    6430    66
 102 Gull 3 64-bit                            :  3290.4   8399.0   13562    62
 107 Houdini 3.0                              :  3284.2    589.5     838    70
 113 Komodo CCT 64-bit                        :  3274.0   2387.5    3744    64
 117 Komodo 5.1 64-bit                        :  3270.3   2731.5    4345    63
 121 Stockfish 4 64-bit                       :  3268.9   3324.0    5606    59
 122 Houdini 2.0 64-bit                       :  3268.2   4317.0    6400    67
 123 Gull 2.8 beta 64-bit                     :  3267.3   2773.5    4734    59
 127 Houdini 1.5 64-bit                       :  3262.1   5060.5    7689    66
 132 Gull 3                                   :  3259.2   1357.5    2700    50
 133 Gull 2.8 Beta 64-bit                     :  3258.1   1688.0    2350    72
 136 Komodo 5 64-bit                          :  3255.0   3838.0    6336    61
 140 Strelka 5.5 64-bit                       :  3253.4   2250.0    4220    53
 142 Equinox 3.00 64-bit                      :  3251.2   2664.5    4641    57
 144 Fire 4                                   :  3248.9   1316.5    2700    49
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 521 Shredder 12                              :  3039.2  18988.5   40596    47

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Re: Deep Shredder 13 Windows out

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:35 am

IWB wrote:Already done. 334 Elo to Shredder 12

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Re: Deep Shredder 13 Windows out

Post by Frank Quisinsky » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:22 am

Hi Herrmann,

in around 470.000 games can be found on my Webpage or 1.100.000 games I am using the Shredder Classic GUI never I have one problem.

Shredder GUI is the most stable GUI I know.
Perfectly for testing engines.

And if you Need a strong book ...
I am development now since many years a strong and equal book for it. Can be found on my webpage.

Try it out ...

PS: Normely I wish me the same ... engine without GUI.
But in case of Shredder GUI ... it is all the time an event to have it. Need not many RAM, perfectly to find mistakes with debug Option, all what is really important is included. In case of Shredder ... it's absolutly OK to make the engine available, included the GUI.

I like to say ...
German high-class workmanship

And to hide such a strong work ... it make no sense!
Such a comment from a person with develops with Martin Blume many years Arena ... also a strong GUI yes!
I like computer chess!

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Re: Deep Shredder 13 Windows out

Post by Frank Quisinsky » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:37 am

Hello Stefan,

OK, I added the engine in my ToDo list.
But this one is the last engine I added before my list ended.

Must see and must have!

Great that Shredder is now again in the field of best engines in the World. Shredder is computer chess history pure. UCI protocol and many years the number 1, often World Champion.

Important for hold the German computer chess flag on TOP-Level-Niveau. More and more strong American engines are available. Between all the American engines the German flag should be ...

I like all the American programs (Crafty most) but the German flag should be also available in the list of TOP-Engines because in the past Germans do a lot for computer chess.

Best and thanks!
Frank
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Re: Deep Shredder 13 Windows out

Post by APassionForCriminalJustic » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:36 pm

JJJ wrote:334 elo could means above Stockfish 7 in CCRL.
334 Elo does not mean 334 Elo added to Shredder's CCRL rating. It looks like Deep Shredder 13 is stronger than Houdini 4 - and about the same strength as Komodo 8. That is extremely impressive considering where it came from, that being 29th place on the CCRL list. Furthermore, this is only the third engine that I have seen surpass Houdini 4. Houdini 4 is at a rating that few have succeeded to reach thus far - although it is possible that Fire 5 could have surpassed Houdini also. Once Shredder is tested by CCRL, it should become the new number three until Houdini 5 comes out. Even after a massive Elo gain and a complete rewrite of Shredder you can see just how difficult it is to be on par with Komodo, and especially Stockfish.

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