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Damir
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Re: Fire 5 is out!

Post by Damir » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:18 pm

No there should not cause Fire does not belong there, despite what some people may think...

Alexander Schmidt
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Re: Fire 5 is out!

Post by Alexander Schmidt » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:37 pm

beram wrote:
Alexander Schmidt wrote:
jd1 wrote:
SzG wrote:How did it become 100 times smaller in size than Fire 4?
Good question.
Easy answer: It is compressed.

So far there is NOTHING in that thread that can seriously be seen as evidence that Fire is a Stockfish clone. Just don't believe this crap by this frustrated wannabe programmer.
Are you a twin brother of Norman or just cloned?
No, I just don't like false accusations.

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Re: Fire 5 is out!

Post by rainhaus » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:04 pm

beram wrote:
Alexander Schmidt wrote:
jd1 wrote:
SzG wrote:How did it become 100 times smaller in size than Fire 4?
Good question.
Easy answer: It is compressed.

So far there is NOTHING in that thread that can seriously be seen as evidence that Fire is a Stockfish clone. Just don't believe this crap by this frustrated wannabe programmer.
Are you a twin brother of Norman or just cloned?
beram wrote:
Alexander Schmidt wrote:
jd1 wrote:
SzG wrote:How did it become 100 times smaller in size than Fire 4?
Good question.
Easy answer: It is compressed.

So far there is NOTHING in that thread that can seriously be seen as evidence that Fire is a Stockfish clone. Just don't believe this crap by this frustrated wannabe programmer.
Are you a twin brother of Norman or just cloned?
No Bram, he is not. It's only the same last name. A. Schmidt is a clone and derivative chess engine investigator for the Arena team, that's was CPW says.
At least, he makes a clear and checkable statement.

In dubio pro reo, I would say, when the accusations couldn't be analyzed and evidenced down to the smallest detail.

But who is now the expert who can tell me who is the true expert? I'm afraid I must become an expert of myself about this stuff. I'll post again when I'll be ready.
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Re: Fire 5 is out!

Post by velmarin » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:37 pm

Some take advantage of thread to discredit the Messenger.
I have wide shoulders.

The truth is that the proof of the falsehood can not refute.
Stockfish is C++ and all is encapsulated,
cannot copy just a little, everything is structured
and so it will copy all.

Take the code Stockfish and do a new program 200 Elo more weak is a game of children for any that have a few notions of programming.
Even Alexander Schmidt could do it. :wink:

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Re: Fire 5 is out!

Post by velmarin » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:45 pm

SzG wrote:
velmarin wrote: Take the code Stockfish and do a new program 200 Elo more weak is a game of children for any that have a few notions of programming.
That does not mean that if you have a new program 200 Elo weaker than SF then it is a clone.
I am a programmer frustrated how says Alexander.

But I understand that you have little idea, ¿ he has not seen the evidence?.
¿ Do you need more ?.
:shock:

(200 elo is something said by Norman to be justified).

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Re: Fire 5 is out!

Post by Alexander Schmidt » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:48 pm

velmarin wrote:
SzG wrote:
velmarin wrote: Take the code Stockfish and do a new program 200 Elo more weak is a game of children for any that have a few notions of programming.
That does not mean that if you have a new program 200 Elo weaker than SF then it is a clone.
I am a programmer frustrated how says Alexander.

But I understand that you have little idea, ¿ he has not seen the evidence?.
¿ Do you need more ?.
:shock:

(200 elo is something said by Norman to be justified).
I ran a few tests, no similaries at all. I'll report this post and hope the mods will move it to the trash, or at least to engine origins.

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Fire:
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Stockfish&#58;
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Analysing KvK:

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FEN&#58; 8/8/5k2/8/4K3/8/8/8 w - - 0 1

Fire 5 w32&#58;
 8	00&#58;00	 18k	571k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-c6 Kf5-e6 Kc6-b7 Ke6-d6 Kb7-b6 Kd6-d7 Kb6-b7 Kd7-d6
 9	00&#58;00	 25k	638k	+0,02	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e6 Kf4-g4 Ke6-f6 Kg4-g3 Kf6-g6 Kg3-g2 Kg6-h5 Kg2-f2
 10	00&#58;00	 33k	675k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-c6 Kf5-f4 Kc6-b5 Kf4-g3 Kb5-b6 Kg3-g2 Kb6-a7 Kg2-g1 Ka7-b7 Kg1-h1 Kb7-c7
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 11	00&#58;00	 60k	738k	-0,02	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-c6 Kf5-f4 Kc6-b5 Kf4-f3 Kb5-c6 Kf3-e2 Kc6-b6 Ke2-d2 Kb6-b7 Kd2-c3 Kb7-c6 Kc3-c4 Kc6-b7 Kc4-c5
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 16	00&#58;00	 169k	722k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
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 18	00&#58;00	 210k	729k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 18	00&#58;00	 250k	727k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
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 20	00&#58;00	 409k	722k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 21	00&#58;00	 574k	719k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 22	00&#58;01	 734k	714k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 22	00&#58;01	 940k	713k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 23	00&#58;01	 1.232k	714k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 24	00&#58;02	 1.520k	717k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 25	00&#58;02	 1.848k	715k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 26	00&#58;03	 2.188k	710k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 26	00&#58;03	 2.548k	714k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 27	00&#58;04	 3.015k	706k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 28	00&#58;04	 3.500k	709k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 29	00&#58;05	 3.925k	706k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 30	00&#58;06	 4.401k	708k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 30	00&#58;06	 4.933k	709k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 31	00&#58;07	 5.456k	706k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 32	00&#58;08	 6.111k	700k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 33	00&#58;09	 6.792k	696k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 33	00&#58;10	 7.395k	692k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 34	00&#58;11	 8.121k	696k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 35	00&#58;12	 8.822k	691k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 36	00&#58;13	 9.578k	688k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 37	00&#58;15	 10.336k	686k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 37	00&#58;16	 11.304k	679k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 38	00&#58;18	 12.185k	676k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 39	00&#58;19	 13.217k	672k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 40	00&#58;20	 14.044k	672k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 41	00&#58;22	 15.149k	669k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 41	00&#58;24	 16.270k	668k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 42	00&#58;26	 17.525k	665k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 43	00&#58;28	 18.699k	663k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 44	00&#58;30	 20.033k	661k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 45	00&#58;32	 21.230k	660k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 45	00&#58;34	 22.607k	661k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 46	00&#58;36	 23.832k	661k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 47	00&#58;38	 25.306k	659k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 48	00&#58;40	 26.675k	658k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 48	00&#58;42	 28.125k	656k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6
 49	00&#58;45	 29.630k	657k	 0,00	Ke4-d5 Kf6-f5 Kd5-d6 Kf5-f4 Kd6-e7 Kf4-e4 Ke7-d7 Ke4-d4 Kd7-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-d6 Kc4-d4 Kd6-c6

Stockfish_8_x32&#58;
 1/1	00&#58;00	 6	857	-0,08	Ke4-d3
 2/2	00&#58;00	 21	3k	+0,08	Ke4-d3 Kf6-e5
 3/3	00&#58;00	 63	8k	-0,08	Ke4-d3 Kf6-e5 Kd3-c2
 4/4	00&#58;00	 141	18k	+0,08	Ke4-d3 Kf6-e5 Kd3-c2 Ke5-f5
 5/5	00&#58;00	 407	41k	-0,08	Ke4-d3 Kf6-e5 Kd3-c2 Ke5-f5 Kc2-d3
 6/6	00&#58;00	 1k	84k	+0,08	Ke4-d3 Kf6-e5 Kd3-c2 Ke5-f5 Kc2-c1 Kf5-e5
 7/7	00&#58;00	 3k	147k	-0,08	Ke4-d3 Kf6-e5 Kd3-c2 Ke5-d6 Kc2-c1 Kd6-c6 Kc1-c2
 8/8	00&#58;00	 5k	185k	+0,08	Ke4-d3 Kf6-e5 Kd3-c2 Ke5-d6 Kc2-b2 Kd6-c6 Kb2-c2 Kc6-d5
 9/9	00&#58;00	 9k	279k	 0,00	Ke4-d3 Kf6-e5 Kd3-c2 Ke5-d6 Kc2-b2 Kd6-c6 Kb2-c2 Kc6-d6
 10/12	00&#58;00	 21k	413k	-0,08	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-g5 Ke6-e5 Kg5-h6 Ke5-e4 Kh6-h7 Ke4-d3 Kh7-h6 Kd3-e3 Kh6-h7
 11/12	00&#58;00	 22k	424k	-0,08	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-g5 Ke6-e5 Kg5-h6 Ke5-e4 Kh6-h7 Ke4-e3 Kh7-h8 Ke3-d3 Kh8-h7 Kd3-c4
 12/13	00&#58;00	 25k	433k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-f6
 13/13	00&#58;00	 26k	436k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-f6
 14/15	00&#58;00	 35k	477k	-0,08	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-b7 Kb4-b3 Kb7-a6 Kb3-b4 Ka6-b6
 15/17	00&#58;00	 37k	485k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-b7 Kc5-b4 Kb7-b8 Kb4-b3 Kb8-a8 Kb3-c2
 16/17	00&#58;00	 40k	492k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-e6 Kd4-e4
 17/17	00&#58;00	 42k	499k	-0,08	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-b7 Kc5-b4 Kb7-b6 Kb4-a4 Kb6-c5 Ka4-b3
 18/18	00&#58;00	 50k	524k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-b7 Kc5-b5 Kb7-c7 Kb5-c5
 19/18	00&#58;00	 53k	533k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-b7 Kc5-b5 Kb7-c7 Kb5-c5
 20/22	00&#58;00	 68k	583k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-b7 Kc5-b5 Kb7-a7 Kb5-a5 Ka7-b8 Ka5-b4 Kb8-c8 Kb4-c4 Kc8-b8 Kc4-d5
 21/23	00&#58;00	 72k	598k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-b7 Kc5-b5 Kb7-a7 Kb5-a5 Ka7-b8 Ka5-b4 Kb8-c8 Kb4-c4 Kc8-b8 Kc4-d5 Kb8-c7 Kd5-c5
 22/23	00&#58;00	 84k	610k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-b7 Kc5-b5 Kb7-a7 Kb5-a5 Ka7-b8 Ka5-b4 Kb8-c8 Kb4-c4 Kc8-c7 Kc4-c5
 23/23	00&#58;00	 95k	622k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-b7 Kc5-b5 Kb7-a7 Kb5-a5 Ka7-b8 Ka5-b4 Kb8-c8 Kb4-c4 Kc8-c7 Kc4-c5
 24/23	00&#58;00	 113k	639k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-b7 Kc5-b5 Kb7-a7 Kb5-a5 Ka7-b8 Ka5-b4 Kb8-c8 Kb4-c4 Kc8-c7 Kc4-c5
 25/23	00&#58;00	 129k	651k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-b7 Kc5-b5 Kb7-a7 Kb5-a5 Ka7-b8 Ka5-b4 Kb8-c8 Kb4-c4 Kc8-c7 Kc4-c5
 26/23	00&#58;00	 165k	683k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-d7 Kc5-d5 Kd7-c8 Kd5-c4 Kc8-c7 Kc4-c5
 27/23	00&#58;00	 195k	703k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-d7 Kc5-d5 Kd7-d8 Kd5-d6 Kd8-c8 Kd6-c6 Kc8-d8 Kc6-d6
 28/23	00&#58;00	 258k	771k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-d7 Kc5-d5 Kd7-d8 Kd5-d6 Kd8-c8 Kd6-c6 Kc8-d8 Kc6-d6
 29/24	00&#58;00	 385k	795k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-d7 Kc5-d5 Kd7-e7 Kd5-c5 Ke7-f7 Kc5-d5 Kf7-f6 Kd5-d6 Kf6-f7 Kd6-d7 Kf7-f6 Kd7-d6
 30/24	00&#58;00	 613k	820k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-d7 Kc5-d5 Kd7-e7 Kd5-c5 Ke7-f7 Kc5-d5 Kf7-g7 Kd5-c4 Kg7-f7 Kc4-d5
 31/24	00&#58;03	 3.106k	860k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-d7 Kc5-d5 Kd7-e7 Kd5-c5 Ke7-f7 Kc5-d5 Kf7-g7 Kd5-c4 Kg7-f7 Kc4-d5
 32/24	00&#58;08	 7.029k	874k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-d7 Kc5-d5 Kd7-e7 Kd5-c5 Ke7-f7 Kc5-d5 Kf7-g7 Kd5-c4 Kg7-f7 Kc4-d5
 33/33	00&#58;15	 13.664k	875k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-d7 Kc5-d5 Kd7-e7 Kd5-c5 Ke7-f8 Kc5-d6 Kf8-f7 Kd6-e5 Kf7-e7 Ke5-f5 Ke7-d7 Kf5-g6 Kd7-e8 Kg6-g5 Ke8-d7 Kg5-g6
 34/33	00&#58;28	 25.101k	875k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-d7 Kc5-d5 Kd7-e7 Kd5-e5 Ke7-f7 Ke5-d5 Kf7-g7 Kd5-c4 Kg7-f7 Kc4-d5
 35/33	00&#58;51	 44.313k	864k	 0,00	Ke4-f4 Kf6-e6 Kf4-e4 Ke6-d6 Ke4-d4 Kd6-c6 Kd4-c4 Kc6-b6 Kc4-b4 Kb6-c7 Kb4-c5 Kc7-d7 Kc5-d5 Kd7-e7 Kd5-e5 Ke7-f7 Ke5-d5 Kf7-g7 Kd5-c4 Kg7-f7 Kc4-d5

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Re: Fire 5 is out!

Post by velmarin » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:03 pm

Alexander Schmidt wrote:
I ran a few tests, no similaries at all. I'll report this post and hope the mods will move it to the trash, or at least to engine origins.
To me not me matter that I insult, that try to humiliate me, have my permission to continue insulting.

but you say that you do not see the copy, is outrageous.
You only do it for personal reasons, otherwise you will be crying out against Fire.
But I forgive you, you have my permission to insult me, I do public and others equal.
Make tests of this derived Stockfish, already will have time to repent.

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Re: Fire 5 is out!

Post by Alexander Schmidt » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:59 pm

velmarin wrote:
Alexander Schmidt wrote:
I ran a few tests, no similaries at all. I'll report this post and hope the mods will move it to the trash, or at least to engine origins.
To me not me matter that I insult, that try to humiliate me, have my permission to continue insulting.

but you say that you do not see the copy, is outrageous.
You only do it for personal reasons, otherwise you will be crying out against Fire.
But I forgive you, you have my permission to insult me, I do public and others equal.
Make tests of this derived Stockfish, already will have time to repent.
Wannabe programmer is an insult? For me it is a appropriate description for someone who claims a 99,99% clone to be an own original work.

Talking about insults, some quotes from my blog:
Jose Velasco wrote:A mamarla, y seguirla mamando
Jose Velasco wrote:You’re so dumb that you do not know what the GPL
You’re a downright moron.
Slip your blog for your wife’s ass
IDIOT:
atu re and woman fuck
cuckold fucking
godete jilipollon
https://web.archive.org/web/20130201145 ... /#comments

You can't expect to be treated friendly if you act like this.

Digging in the old things I found also my old article about Bouquet. Reviewing this says a lot about your credibility. You released several versions, but you didn't develop it, you just took the next development stage of Fire and later Ihanhoe.
chessengines.wordpress.com wrote:I wrote earlier that I think Bouquet is nothing more than a randomly modified Ippolit clone by someone who is “not an exceptionally giftet programmer”. See also my comments about Cafelito. After some minutes of research I found huge similaries with Ivanhoe. I recommend not to waste much of your time and resources with engines like that, although Mr. Jose V is able to handle a compiler in the meantime :)

FEN: rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq – 0 1

Bouquet_1.6×32:

1 -0,10 h2-h4
1 -0,05 g2-g4
1 +0,18 e2-e4
1 +0,47 Sg1-f3
1 +0,47 Sg1-f3
2 +0,19 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6
2 +0,19 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6
3 +0,16 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6
3 +0,16 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6
4 +0,16 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6
4 +0,16 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6
5 +0,08 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6 d2-d3
5 +0,08 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6 d2-d3
6 +0,16 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6 d2-d3 d7-d6
6 +0,16 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6 d2-d3 d7-d6
7 +0,10 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6 d2-d3 d7-d6 Lc1-e3
7 +0,10 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6 d2-d3 d7-d6 Lc1-e3
8 +0,16 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6 d2-d3 d7-d6 Lc1-e3 Lc8-e6
8 +0,16 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6 d2-d3 d7-d6 Lc1-e3 Lc8-e6

IvanHoe999950t:

1 -0,06 h2-h4
1 -0,01 g2-g4
1 +0,22 e2-e4
1 +0,51 Sg1-f3
1 +0,51 Sg1-f3
2 +0,15 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6
2 +0,15 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6
3 +0,12 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6
3 +0,12 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6
4 +0,12 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6
4 +0,12 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6
5 +0,12 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6 d2-d3
5 +0,12 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6 d2-d3
6 +0,12 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6 d2-d3 d7-d6
6 +0,12 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6 d2-d3 d7-d6
7 +0,14 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6 d2-d3 d7-d6 Lc1-e3
7 +0,14 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6 d2-d3 d7-d6 Lc1-e3
8 +0,12 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6 d2-d3 d7-d6 Lc1-e3 Lc8-e6
8 +0,12 Sg1-f3 Sb8-c6 Sb1-c3 Sg8-f6 d2-d3 d7-d6 Lc1-e3 Lc8-e6

Same PV until depth 8, the evaluation differs always by 0.04 pawn units.

I poked in some chess forums, the first I found about Bouquet is his first announcement:

My new Chess Engine: https://sites.google.com/site/chessbouquet/
Download: https://sites.google.com/site/chessbouq ... ess-engine
Much still to be done, evaluation, search, ect.
Nice Engine, multiprocesor, 32 and 64-bit version,
stable, perhaps 2600+ rating?
Thank you.

Nothing about its roots, not even after someone asked explicitly.

About Bouquet 1.2 I found the following by Mr. V.:

The base is derived from public domain sources.
Ippolit particular project.
Many things changed.
Evaluation, completely rewritten, divided into 6×2 (12) phases.

Ah. Now he admits it is a derived work, Bouquet started as “Ippolit”. But the evaluation is “completely rewritten”. Later announcements only contain things like “Some things added” and “Some things removed”

But what are the roots? Lets take a look:

Bouquet_1.5×32:

8 -0,20 Kd1-d2 Kd8-e7 Lg2-f1 Ke7-e6 Kd2-c2 Lg7-f8 Kc2-d2 Lh7-g8
8 -0,20 Kd1-d2 Kd8-e7 Lg2-f1 Ke7-e6 Kd2-c2 Lg7-f8 Kc2-d2 Lh7-g8
9- -0,28 Kd1-d2 Kd8-e7 Lg2-f1 Ke7-e6 Kd2-c2 Lg7-f8 Kc2-d2 Lh7-g8

Fire_21_xTreme_w32_NS:

8 -0,20 Kd1-d2 Kd8-e7 Lg2-f1 Ke7-e6 Lf1-e2 Lg7-f8 Le2-f1 Lh7-g8
8 -0,20 Kd1-d2 Kd8-e7 Lg2-f1 Ke7-e6 Lf1-e2 Lg7-f8 Le2-f1 Lh7-g8
9- -0,28 Kd1-d2 Kd8-e7 Lg2-f1 Ke7-e6 Lf1-e2 Lg7-f8 Le2-f1 Lh7-g8

It is also worth to take a look at the uci output, look at the time in ms:

Bouquet_1.5×32:

info multipv 1 time 0 nodes 4518 nps 0 score cp 12 depth 8
info multipv 1 time 0 nodes 6449 nps 0 score cp 12 depth 8
info multipv 1 time 16 nodes 8513 nps 531300 score cp 12 depth 9
info multipv 1 time 16 nodes 11077 nps 691950 score cp 12 depth 9
info multipv 1 time 16 nodes 13298 nps 830550 score cp 12 depth 10
info multipv 1 time 31 nodes 24973 nps 805350 score cp 12 depth 10
info multipv 1 time 47 nodes 32557 nps 691950 score cp 13 depth 11
info multipv 1 time 78 nodes 50130 nps 642600 score cp 13 depth 11
info multipv 1 time 109 nodes 65567 nps 600600 score cp 13 depth 12

Fire_21_xTreme_w32_NS:

info multipv 1 time 0 nodes 3801 nps 0 score cp 12 depth 8
info multipv 1 time 0 nodes 6523 nps 0 score cp 12 depth 8
info multipv 1 time 16 nodes 8844 nps 552000 score cp 6 depth 9
info multipv 1 time 16 nodes 11531 nps 720000 score cp 6 depth 9
info multipv 1 time 16 nodes 18640 nps 1165000 score cp 12 depth 10
info multipv 1 time 31 nodes 33646 nps 1085000 score cp 12 depth 10
info multipv 1 time 47 nodes 51838 nps 1102000 score cp 7 depth 11
info multipv 1 time 78 nodes 67538 nps 865000 score cp 7 depth 11
info multipv 1 time 109 nodes 80579 nps 739000 score cp 15 depth 12

Bouquet 1.2 – 1.5 are derivated from Fire. And after Fire is not developed anymore Mr. V. switched to IvanHoe. :)

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Re: Fire 5 is out!

Post by Alexander Schmidt » Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:05 pm

In consideration of the actual thread, I have to expose this :lol:
Alexander Schmidt wrote:Bouquet 1.2 – 1.5 are derivated from Fire. And after Fire is not developed anymore Mr. V. switched to IvanHoe. :)
Bouquet_1.5×32:

info multipv 1 time 0 nodes 4518 nps 0 score cp 12 depth 8
info multipv 1 time 0 nodes 6449 nps 0 score cp 12 depth 8
info multipv 1 time 16 nodes 8513 nps 531300 score cp 12 depth 9
info multipv 1 time 16 nodes 11077 nps 691950 score cp 12 depth 9
info multipv 1 time 16 nodes 13298 nps 830550 score cp 12 depth 10
info multipv 1 time 31 nodes 24973 nps 805350 score cp 12 depth 10
info multipv 1 time 47 nodes 32557 nps 691950 score cp 13 depth 11
info multipv 1 time 78 nodes 50130 nps 642600 score cp 13 depth 11
info multipv 1 time 109 nodes 65567 nps 600600 score cp 13 depth 12

Fire_21_xTreme_w32_NS:

info multipv 1 time 0 nodes 3801 nps 0 score cp 12 depth 8
info multipv 1 time 0 nodes 6523 nps 0 score cp 12 depth 8
info multipv 1 time 16 nodes 8844 nps 552000 score cp 6 depth 9
info multipv 1 time 16 nodes 11531 nps 720000 score cp 6 depth 9
info multipv 1 time 16 nodes 18640 nps 1165000 score cp 12 depth 10
info multipv 1 time 31 nodes 33646 nps 1085000 score cp 12 depth 10
info multipv 1 time 47 nodes 51838 nps 1102000 score cp 7 depth 11
info multipv 1 time 78 nodes 67538 nps 865000 score cp 7 depth 11
info multipv 1 time 109 nodes 80579 nps 739000 score cp 15 depth 12

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Re: Fire 5 is out!

Post by velmarin » Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:08 pm

Alexander Schmidt wrote:
You put things false and that do not belong to this forum.
you defined what is...
You demonstrated by that acts as well...

You demonstrate that in this thread just want to do damage to my person.
Your opinion is irrelevant.

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